Culture Wars

[UNI88]

You didn't defend deconkis' retaliatory attack on Disney for exercising it's right to free speech? That is lawfare.

I get kalm not believing a corporation has speech rights but not someone who self-identifies as a Republican.

I never said Disney didn’t have the right to say it. And the plurality of Floridian voters, through their elected representatives, have the right to say Disney doesn’t get treatment from the state that other businesses don’t get.

And you whine about the timing of trump's indictments but think nothing of the timing of the changes to Disney's special district? It's lawfare in retaliation for Disney's public stance.

[kalm]

Stewart flat out nails this one on cancel culture.

[UNI88]

[kalm]

Fascinating and thorough read. The depth of deception and projection surrounding right wing culture war agitators is deep. For all of you making scary posts about liberal indoctrination including transgenderism in schools, CRT, and the need for vouchers…

This bud light’s for you.

Weeks after winning a school board seat in her deeply red Texas county, Courtney Gore immersed herself in the district’s curriculum, spending her nights and weekends poring over hundreds of pages of lesson plans that she had fanned out on the coffee table in her living room and even across her bed. She was searching for evidence of the sweeping national movement she had warned on the campaign trail was indoctrinating schoolchildren.

Gore, the co-host of a far-right online talk show, had promised that she would be a strong Republican voice on the nonpartisan school board. Citing “small town, conservative Christian values,” she pledged to inspect educational materials for inappropriate messages about sexuality and race and remove them from every campus in the 7,700-student Granbury Independent School District, an hour southwest of Fort Worth. “Over the years our American Education System has been hijacked by Leftists looking to indoctrinate our kids into the ‘progressive’ way of thinking, and yes, they’ve tried to do this in Granbury ISD,” she wrote in a September 2021 Facebook post, two months before the election. “I cannot sit by and watch their twisted worldview infiltrate Granbury ISD.”

But after taking office and examining hundreds of pages of curriculum, Gore was shocked by what she found — and didn’t find………

Gore’s open defiance of far-right GOP orthodoxy represents an unusual sign of independence in a state and in a party that experts say increasingly punish those deemed disloyal. It particularly stands out at a time when Republican leaders are publicly attacking elected officials who do not support direct funding to private schools

“With the presence of Donald Trump, fealty to cause has amplified, so this kind of action is much more meaningful and much more visible than it was a decade ago,” Rottinghaus said about Gore……..

The former teacher and mother of four was influenced by such politics when she decided to run for office. She was motivated to seek a school board seat after a steady stream of reports from the right-wing media she consumed and her social media feeds pointed to what she saw as inappropriate teachings in public schools. She, too, had been outraged by school mask mandates and vaccine requirements during the throes of the COVID-19 pandemic.

But Gore said she feels that she was unwittingly part of a statewide effort to weaken local support of public schools and lay the groundwork for a voucher system.

And she said that unless she and others sound the alarm, residents won’t realize what is happening until it is too late.

“I feel like if I don’t speak out, then I’m complicit,” Gore said. “I refuse to be complicit in something that’s going to hurt children.”

Because of that outspokenness, Gore is facing backlash from the same people who supported her race. She has been threatened at raucous school board meetings and shunned by people she once considered friends.

School marshals escort her and her fellow board members to their cars to ensure no one accosts them

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https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/15 ... rtney-gore

[GannonFan]

Fascinating and thorough read. The depth of deception and projection surrounding right wing culture war agitators is deep. For all of you making scary posts about liberal indoctrination including transgenderism in schools, CRT, and the need for vouchers…

This bud light’s for you.

Weeks after winning a school board seat in her deeply red Texas county, Courtney Gore immersed herself in the district’s curriculum, spending her nights and weekends poring over hundreds of pages of lesson plans that she had fanned out on the coffee table in her living room and even across her bed. She was searching for evidence of the sweeping national movement she had warned on the campaign trail was indoctrinating schoolchildren.

Gore, the co-host of a far-right online talk show, had promised that she would be a strong Republican voice on the nonpartisan school board. Citing “small town, conservative Christian values,” she pledged to inspect educational materials for inappropriate messages about sexuality and race and remove them from every campus in the 7,700-student Granbury Independent School District, an hour southwest of Fort Worth. “Over the years our American Education System has been hijacked by Leftists looking to indoctrinate our kids into the ‘progressive’ way of thinking, and yes, they’ve tried to do this in Granbury ISD,” she wrote in a September 2021 Facebook post, two months before the election. “I cannot sit by and watch their twisted worldview infiltrate Granbury ISD.”

But after taking office and examining hundreds of pages of curriculum, Gore was shocked by what she found — and didn’t find………

Gore’s open defiance of far-right GOP orthodoxy represents an unusual sign of independence in a state and in a party that experts say increasingly punish those deemed disloyal. It particularly stands out at a time when Republican leaders are publicly attacking elected officials who do not support direct funding to private schools

“With the presence of Donald Trump, fealty to cause has amplified, so this kind of action is much more meaningful and much more visible than it was a decade ago,” Rottinghaus said about Gore……..

The former teacher and mother of four was influenced by such politics when she decided to run for office. She was motivated to seek a school board seat after a steady stream of reports from the right-wing media she consumed and her social media feeds pointed to what she saw as inappropriate teachings in public schools. She, too, had been outraged by school mask mandates and vaccine requirements during the throes of the COVID-19 pandemic.

But Gore said she feels that she was unwittingly part of a statewide effort to weaken local support of public schools and lay the groundwork for a voucher system.

And she said that unless she and others sound the alarm, residents won’t realize what is happening until it is too late.

“I feel like if I don’t speak out, then I’m complicit,” Gore said. “I refuse to be complicit in something that’s going to hurt children.”

Because of that outspokenness, Gore is facing backlash from the same people who supported her race. She has been threatened at raucous school board meetings and shunned by people she once considered friends.

School marshals escort her and her fellow board members to their cars to ensure no one accosts them

.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/15 ... rtney-gore

You know someone's full of it the moment they mention the need for vouchers in suburban areas. It's always about something else, and mostly about that person wanting someone else to pay the private school tuition for their kids.

[kalm]

Fascinating and thorough read. The depth of deception and projection surrounding right wing culture war agitators is deep. For all of you making scary posts about liberal indoctrination including transgenderism in schools, CRT, and the need for vouchers…

This bud light’s for you.

.

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/05/15 ... rtney-gore

You know someone's full of it the moment they mention the need for vouchers in suburban areas. It's always about something else, and mostly about that person wanting someone else to pay the private school tuition for their kids.

Yep.

[GannonFan]

You know someone's full of it the moment they mention the need for vouchers in suburban areas. It's always about something else, and mostly about that person wanting someone else to pay the private school tuition for their kids.

Yep.

With the one proviso that vouchers for inner city kids in truly failing public school systems, for a limited time, are still an example of when and how vouchers should be used. Fixing systems like that takes years and I wouldn't want to sentence kids there to bad education while it's being fixed. Temporary vouchers in very limited and targeted situations. Everything else is a money grab falsely veiled as concern about education.

[Caribbean Hen]

The public schools used to be great in Harlem, until the 1950’s anyway. The decade real education died

[GannonFan]

The public schools used to be great in Harlem, until the 1950’s anyway. The decade real education died

Huh? I wasn't even born in the '50's and my education, long after that time, has been just fine, thank you very much. Education, in a school, is only 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for about 180 days or so depending on the state. There's plenty of other time kids spend elsewhere that impacts how well they learn. Education isn't done in a vacuum.

[kalm]

Yep.

With the one proviso that vouchers for inner city kids in truly failing public school systems, for a limited time, are still an example of when and how vouchers should be used. Fixing systems like that takes years and I wouldn't want to sentence kids there to bad education while it's being fixed. Temporary vouchers in very limited and targeted situations. Everything else is a money grab falsely veiled as concern about education.

Totally agree. But what happens to the kids who don’t get vouchered out? Those schools get worse? Require even more resources? It’s always seemed to me to be a parenting and socio-economic issue more than curriculum and support within the schools.

It’s a challenging situation.

[Caribbean Hen]

The public schools used to be great in Harlem, until the 1950’s anyway. The decade real education died

Huh? I wasn't even born in the '50's and my education, long after that time, has been just fine, thank you very much. Education, in a school, is only 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for about 180 days or so depending on the state. There's plenty of other time kids spend elsewhere that impacts how well they learn. Education isn't done in a vacuum.

Who’s talking about you?

[GannonFan]

With the one proviso that vouchers for inner city kids in truly failing public school systems, for a limited time, are still an example of when and how vouchers should be used. Fixing systems like that takes years and I wouldn't want to sentence kids there to bad education while it's being fixed. Temporary vouchers in very limited and targeted situations. Everything else is a money grab falsely veiled as concern about education.

Totally agree. But what happens to the kids who don’t get vouchered out? Those schools get worse? Require even more resources? It’s always seemed to me to be a parenting and socio-economic issue more than curriculum and support within the schools.

It’s a challenging situation.

If we get to the situation of needing vouchers to "save" some of the kids then it's already been a bad situation. Unfortunately, we do have plenty of examples where we're likely already in that situation in too many places (i.e., none of those places are in affluent, mostly white, suburban areas where people are disingenuously trying to get other people to pay their private/parochial school tuitions - yet another area where the Catholic Church has not shined well). And yes, vouchers don't work well for everyone in those cases, but at least it gives some people a way out while things get fixed.

[GannonFan]

Huh? I wasn't even born in the '50's and my education, long after that time, has been just fine, thank you very much. Education, in a school, is only 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, for about 180 days or so depending on the state. There's plenty of other time kids spend elsewhere that impacts how well they learn. Education isn't done in a vacuum.

Who’s talking about you?

You mentioned education and that real public education ended after the 1950's. Since I was publicly educated after the 1950's I felt included. If you want a narrower response cast a smaller net.

[Caribbean Hen]

Who’s talking about you?

You mentioned education and that real public education ended after the 1950's. Since I was publicly educated after the 1950's I felt included. If you want a narrower response cast a smaller net.

You’ve been posting for almost 20 years on Gohens, I know you weren’t schooled in the 50’s … you shared a lot of personal stuff too. I actually remember some of it.

Chemistry
Kids in college
Vergantino (sic?) stories …. Vomiting on sidelines in playoff game

[GannonFan]

You mentioned education and that real public education ended after the 1950's. Since I was publicly educated after the 1950's I felt included. If you want a narrower response cast a smaller net.

You’ve been posting for almost 20 years on Gohens, I know you weren’t schooled in the 50’s … you shared a lot of personal stuff too. I actually remember some of it.

Chemistry
Kids in college
Vergantino (sic?) stories …. Vomiting on sidelines in playoff game

Chemical engineer, not a chemist. That's a slur to an engineer.

[Caribbean Hen]

You’ve been posting for almost 20 years on Gohens, I know you weren’t schooled in the 50’s … you shared a lot of personal stuff too. I actually remember some of it.

Chemistry
Kids in college
Vergantino (sic?) stories …. Vomiting on sidelines in playoff game

Chemical engineer, not a chemist. That's a slur to an engineer.

Well you’ve mentioned chemistry a lot

[GannonFan]

Chemical engineer, not a chemist. That's a slur to an engineer.

Well you’ve mentioned chemistry a lot

I can't remember the last time I did. Even in my work life I don't discuss chemistry a lot. Your memory is rather odd.

[Caribbean Hen]

Well you’ve mentioned chemistry a lot

I can't remember the last time I did. Even in my work life I don't discuss chemistry a lot. Your memory is rather odd.

Odd or fuzzy

[UNI88]

I can't remember the last time I did. Even in my work life I don't discuss chemistry a lot. Your memory is rather odd.

Odd or fuzzy

Oddly fuzzy or fuzzily odd?

[UNI88]

Bill Maher clashes with Jewish actress saying antisemitism comes from the right: 'No, it doesn't'

Maher responded, "That is coming down from elite colleges who see everything only through a racial lens. They are stupid. They don’t know history. They think everything is about colonizers and racists, and how awful America is."

He continued, "And America has done some bad things but to drag Israel into this as the stand-in for every bad thing White people ever did – this is not any more complicated to most of these college kids than the Palestinians are brown and poor and the Israelis are rich and White."

Put this here for the bolded nugget.

[houndawg]

The public schools used to be great in Harlem, until the 1950’s anyway. The decade real education died

And you know this, how?

[kalm]

Bill Maher clashes with Jewish actress saying antisemitism comes from the right: 'No, it doesn't'

Maher responded, "That is coming down from elite colleges who see everything only through a racial lens. They are stupid. They don’t know history. They think everything is about colonizers and racists, and how awful America is."

He continued, "And America has done some bad things but to drag Israel into this as the stand-in for every bad thing White people ever did – this is not any more complicated to most of these college kids than the Palestinians are brown and poor and the Israelis are rich and White."

Put this here for the bolded nugget.

I have two college kids in the house who could argue circles around Bill on this one.

[UNI88]

Bill Maher clashes with Jewish actress saying antisemitism comes from the right: 'No, it doesn't'

Put this here for the bolded nugget.

I have two college kids in the house who could argue circles around Bill on this one.

Why? What did Bill say that was wrong? Are you going to tell me that there aren't people who have oversimplified things and think Israel is to blame? My oldest blames Israel, never mentions Hamas' responsibility and he's a smart kid. The pseudo-progressive narrative that whites are colonial oppressors and that darker-skinned people are victims ignores history and oversimplifies reality.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Hamas hadn't focused on terrorizing Israel and Jews and then doing what they did in October rather than building up Gaza for the benefit of the Palestinian people. Hamas lit the match.

[houndawg]

I have two college kids in the house who could argue circles around Bill on this one.

Why? What did Bill say that was wrong? Are you going to tell me that there aren't people who have oversimplified things and think Israel is to blame? My oldest blames Israel, never mentions Hamas' responsibility and he's a smart kid. The pseudo-progressive narrative that whites are colonial oppressors and that darker-skinned people are victims ignores history and oversimplifies reality.

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Hamas hadn't focused on terrorizing Israel and Jews and then doing what they did in October rather than building up Gaza for the benefit of the Palestinian people. Hamas lit the match.

And Israel's retaliation has killed 30 times the number of Israelis killed so far. I'm not necessarily opposed to revenge killing per se but this is going considerably beyond that, along with creating the next generation of terrorists who will see their life's calling as killing Jews.

[Caribbean Hen]

The public schools used to be great in Harlem, until the 1950’s anyway. The decade real education died

And you know this, how?

Read up, interesting article about a lot of things education

https://www.tsowell.com/speducat.html

“Some years ago, a national magazine ran a flattering profile of me, expressing wonder that I had come out of Harlem and gone on to elite colleges and an academic career. Shortly thereafter, I received a letter from a black lawyer of my generation, pointing out that my experience was by no means so unusual in those days. He had grown up in Harlem during the same era, just a few blocks from me. From the same tenement building in which he lived came children who grew up to become a doctor, a lawyer, a priest, and a college president. Indeed, where did today's black middle class come from, if not from such places and such schools? My great fear is that a black child growing up in Harlem today will not have as good a chance to rise as people of my generation did, simply because they will not receive as solid an education, in an era when such an education is even more important.”