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Re: What If?

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What if and then some…
There is a curious dynamic at work in politics these days. Trump does not appear to be trying to court voters to his standard. If he were, he would be reaching out to Nikki Haley voters and trying to moderate his stances. Instead, he is rejecting her voters and doubling down on extreme positions. Rather than trying to appeal to swing voters, he seems to be trying to whip up his right-wing base to engage in violence on his behalf.

In Minnesota on Friday, Trump echoed fascists when he told supporters, "No matter how hateful and corrupt the communists and criminals we are fighting against may be, you must never forget this is not a nation that belongs to them. This is a nation that totally belongs to you. It belongs to you. This is your home, this is your heritage."

Saturday, at the annual meeting of the National Rifle Association in Dallas, Texas, Trump floated the idea that he could throw out the constitutional amendment limiting a president to two terms. “You know, FDR 16 years—almost 16 years—he was four terms. I don’t know, are we going to be considered three-term? Or two-term?” he asked the crowd. Some yelled, “Three!”

In the same speech, Trump told attendees that the Second Amendment “is very much on the ballot” in November, and he urged gun owners to vote and to “be rebellious.” Then he told the crowd that Biden’s actions were such that if he “were a Republican, he would have been given the electric chair, they would have brought back the death penalty.”

It is not clear to me how anyone can any longer deny that Trump is promising to destroy our democracy and usher in authoritarianism.

But it is also not clear that he is still a figure that any but the extremes of his base will follow to that end. Hence his emphasis on turning them to violence.

His lies have become increasingly outrageous. On Friday he told a crowd in Minnesota that he won the state by “a landslide” in 2020 even though he actually lost it by more than 7 points. At the NRA annual meeting, Trump claimed that his former physician told him he is “healthier” and “a better physical specimen” than the famously athletic former president Barack Obama. At that same event he boasted that he won 31 club golf championships; the day before, he boasted that he won 29
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Re: What If?

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kalm wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 6:04 am What if and then some…
There is a curious dynamic at work in politics these days. Trump does not appear to be trying to court voters to his standard. If he were, he would be reaching out to Nikki Haley voters and trying to moderate his stances. Instead, he is rejecting her voters and doubling down on extreme positions. Rather than trying to appeal to swing voters, he seems to be trying to whip up his right-wing base to engage in violence on his behalf.

In Minnesota on Friday, Trump echoed fascists when he told supporters, "No matter how hateful and corrupt the communists and criminals we are fighting against may be, you must never forget this is not a nation that belongs to them. This is a nation that totally belongs to you. It belongs to you. This is your home, this is your heritage."

Saturday, at the annual meeting of the National Rifle Association in Dallas, Texas, Trump floated the idea that he could throw out the constitutional amendment limiting a president to two terms. “You know, FDR 16 years—almost 16 years—he was four terms. I don’t know, are we going to be considered three-term? Or two-term?” he asked the crowd. Some yelled, “Three!”

In the same speech, Trump told attendees that the Second Amendment “is very much on the ballot” in November, and he urged gun owners to vote and to “be rebellious.” Then he told the crowd that Biden’s actions were such that if he “were a Republican, he would have been given the electric chair, they would have brought back the death penalty.”

It is not clear to me how anyone can any longer deny that Trump is promising to destroy our democracy and usher in authoritarianism.

But it is also not clear that he is still a figure that any but the extremes of his base will follow to that end. Hence his emphasis on turning them to violence.

His lies have become increasingly outrageous. On Friday he told a crowd in Minnesota that he won the state by “a landslide” in 2020 even though he actually lost it by more than 7 points. At the NRA annual meeting, Trump claimed that his former physician told him he is “healthier” and “a better physical specimen” than the famously athletic former president Barack Obama. At that same event he boasted that he won 31 club golf championships; the day before, he boasted that he won 29
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Luckily for all of us, Trump would still be inhibited by the same things that inhibited him before, namely, the Constitution and the rule of law. He may want to be an authoritarian, if he even really understands what that means. However, he lacks the means to accomplish that. It's like Jan 6th - sure, I'm fine with calling it an attempted coup - it was as shady as you can get. But fortunately for the country, there was literally no chance of it succeeding. 74 million people voted for Trump (or against Biden). Out of those, maybe 500 of them had the initiative to be there on Jan 6th, with no significant weapons, to try to overturn the election. So that meant that 81 million Biden voters, the other 73.99 million Trump voters, not to mention the 1.5 million service folks under arms, weren't supporting it. For the authoritarian pursuit, Trump will find himself bogged down and held up by the same court system that can't even bring to trial a case against the actions he took or didn't take on Jan 6th, this in spite of a special committee that spent a year and delivered their report two years ago that spell out what to charge him with and we still haven't done. The inertia of government is so significant that the idea that a mental lightweight like Trump could overthrow the whole thing and set up something new is not even possible. Especially since he has 4 years, tops, in office, and really just 2 years until the next federal election after which all focus will be on who's running for office in 2028. Lame ducks, especially dim-witted and elderly ones, don't usher in eras of authoritarianism. Even if Trump gets elected, the country will survive just fine. The Constitution, and the country founded on it, works.
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Trump has enough brains to carry out the duties of the president… c’mon man my god look at our current president…

And remember this…. Just look at all the mistakes they self appointed geniuses have made.

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BDKJMU wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 4:18 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 12:11 pm

2 points:
  1. Those kinds of trolls play well with the MAQA yahoos but won't play well with independents and moderate Republicans.
  2. These kinds of trolls get more real and scarier when looked at on the whole. A 3rd term, dictator for a day, Project 2025 Iwhich has far too much substance to just be a troll), abandoning NATO, etc.
What if he does attempt to run for a third term? What will the Republican Party do? What will you do? Will you twist yourselves into logical pretzels in an attempt to justify the clear disregard for our Constitution?
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An 81/82 year old Trump
-Wouldn’t run for a 3rd term.
-Wouldn’t win a 3rd term even if he tried to.

Relax
Remember when the Republicunts were soiling their depends about the possibility of Obama running for a 3rd term?
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Re: What If?

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houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:39 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sun May 19, 2024 4:18 pm
If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.


An 81/82 year old Trump
-Wouldn’t run for a 3rd term.
-Wouldn’t win a 3rd term even if he tried to.

Relax
Remember when the Republicunts were soiling their depends about the possibility of Obama running for a 3rd term?
I don't really remember any serious movement to change the Constitution to let Obama run for a 3rd term. Probably another example of silo-minded media that spoon-feed's stories to very specific target audiences to reinforce what they already want to believe is true. The last legit mentioning of changing the Constitution to allow a 3rd term probably happened back in the late 80's when GOP'ers were trying to find a way to get a 3rd term for Reagan. Fortunately, they realized, as everyone eventually did, that Reagan was far too old and far too much into mental decline to be able to do the job in the last 2 years of his second term, let alone a new fresh 4 year term. Electing a 77 year old with cognitive decline for another term just didn't make any sense.
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Re: What If?

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GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 6:28 am
houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:39 am

Remember when the Republicunts were soiling their depends about the possibility of Obama running for a 3rd term?
I don't really remember any serious movement to change the Constitution to let Obama run for a 3rd term. Probably another example of silo-minded media that spoon-feed's stories to very specific target audiences to reinforce what they already want to believe is true. The last legit mentioning of changing the Constitution to allow a 3rd term probably happened back in the late 80's when GOP'ers were trying to find a way to get a 3rd term for Reagan. Fortunately, they realized, as everyone eventually did, that Reagan was far too old and far too much into mental decline to be able to do the job in the last 2 years of his second term, let alone a new fresh 4 year term. Electing a 77 year old with cognitive decline for another term just didn't make any sense.
I don't remember any legislation but Obama was definitely planning to overthrow the gubmint and declare himself King
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houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 12:16 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 6:28 am

I don't really remember any serious movement to change the Constitution to let Obama run for a 3rd term. Probably another example of silo-minded media that spoon-feed's stories to very specific target audiences to reinforce what they already want to believe is true. The last legit mentioning of changing the Constitution to allow a 3rd term probably happened back in the late 80's when GOP'ers were trying to find a way to get a 3rd term for Reagan. Fortunately, they realized, as everyone eventually did, that Reagan was far too old and far too much into mental decline to be able to do the job in the last 2 years of his second term, let alone a new fresh 4 year term. Electing a 77 year old with cognitive decline for another term just didn't make any sense.
I don't remember any legislation but Obama was definitely planning to overthrow the gubmint and declare himself King
Certainly the same group of folks believe that as believe that Obama is secretly in power now and just using Biden as a puppet. There will always be some segment of the population, not always the same segment, that will believe anything.
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Re: What If?

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GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 1:17 pm
houndawg wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 12:16 pm

I don't remember any legislation but Obama was definitely planning to overthrow the gubmint and declare himself King
Certainly the same group of folks believe that as believe that Obama is secretly in power now and just using Biden as a puppet. There will always be some segment of the population, not always the same segment, that will believe anything.
I don’t necessarily believe Obama is in charge and using Biden as a puppet. But Biden clearly isn’t in charge ie running the show. The question is, who is?
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BDKJMU wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:37 am
GannonFan wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 1:17 pm

Certainly the same group of folks believe that as believe that Obama is secretly in power now and just using Biden as a puppet. There will always be some segment of the population, not always the same segment, that will believe anything.
I don’t necessarily believe Obama is in charge and using Biden as a puppet. But Biden clearly isn’t in charge ie running the show. The question is, who is?
Question the media should be asking

Why don’t they?
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