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Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 11:30 am
UNI88 wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 11:20 am

I wouldn't even attempt to make that case. I can make the case that black Americans are worse off than they would be if they hadn't been the victims of racist policies through at least the Civil Rights Act of 1968. Those policies inhibited their ability to get an education, suppressed their wages and made it almost impossible to build equity and wealth through homeownership. They didn't get the same opportunities to build generational wealth that they could have passed down to their children that white people did.

And I ask the people who now complain that diversity policies are discriminatory, where were your complaints when black Americans were routinely discriminated against in the past?
No it didn’t, you could make the case education was better for blacks before the 1960s, at least in certain areas

https://www.tsowell.com/speducat.html

really really small certain areas.. like Mississippi..... Arkansas...oh wait...
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houndawg wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 5:30 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu May 30, 2024 11:30 am

No it didn’t, you could make the case education was better for blacks before the 1960s, at least in certain areas

https://www.tsowell.com/speducat.html

really really small certain areas.. like Mississippi..... Arkansas...oh wait...
Somebody didn’t read the article….
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Love this response ...

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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:27 pm Love this response ...

Yeah, he’s burning a half dozen people in a country of 400 million

But you believe that every MAGA yahoos all want to burn pride flags…. Dumb just dumb of you to be Fanning false narratives.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:27 pm Love this response ...

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 5:15 am
UNI88 wrote: Wed Jun 05, 2024 5:27 pm Love this response ...

Yeah, he’s burning a half dozen people in a country of 400 million

But you believe that every MAGA yahoos all want to burn pride flags…. Dumb just dumb of you to be Fanning false narratives.
That was posted in response to a something the Colorado Republican Party retweeted/emailed. It included a speech by a known bigot. Speaking of false narratives, The Colorado Republican Party post talking about groomers who want to "harm our children" is a big one.

What kind of Christian says that “God Hates Flags”?
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:40 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 5:15 am

Yeah, he’s burning a half dozen people in a country of 400 million

But you believe that every MAGA yahoos all want to burn pride flags…. Dumb just dumb of you to be Fanning false narratives.
That was posted in response to a something the Colorado Republican Party retweeted/emailed. It included a speech by a known bigot. Speaking of false narratives, The Colorado Republican Party post talking about groomers who want to "harm our children" is a big one.

What kind of Christian says that “God Hates Flags”?
I see your old worn out Playbook is open this morning.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 7:40 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 5:15 am

Yeah, he’s burning a half dozen people in a country of 400 million

But you believe that every MAGA yahoos all want to burn pride flags…. Dumb just dumb of you to be Fanning false narratives.
That was posted in response to a something the Colorado Republican Party retweeted/emailed. It included a speech by a known bigot. Speaking of false narratives, The Colorado Republican Party post talking about groomers who want to "harm our children" is a big one.

What kind of Christian says that “God Hates Flags”?
The same kind that supports Trump. :coffee:
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Holy shit. All of this.

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This is how confirmation biased propaganda is disseminated.

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kalm wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:11 am This is how confirmation biased propaganda is disseminated.

Except the overwhelming majority of Americans are not on Twitter or whatever they call it now
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:42 pm
kalm wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 7:11 am This is how confirmation biased propaganda is disseminated.

Except the overwhelming majority of Americans are not on Twitter or whatever they call it now
One can find this information/misinformation from other sources. At least with Twitter there’s almost immediate check downs and community notes.
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kalm wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:08 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 4:42 pm

Except the overwhelming majority of Americans are not on Twitter or whatever they call it now
One can find this information/misinformation from other sources. At least with Twitter there’s almost immediate check downs and community notes.
Twitter doesn’t exist anymore.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:42 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 5:08 pm

One can find this information/misinformation from other sources. At least with Twitter there’s almost immediate check downs and community notes.
Twitter doesn’t exist anymore.
It’s in the url every time I post something from there to hear.

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kalm wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:09 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:42 pm
Twitter doesn’t exist anymore.
It’s in the url every time I post something from there to hear.

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Hear? Where is that ? :lol:
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:41 am
kalm wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:09 am

It’s in the url every time I post something from there to hear.

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Hear? Where is that ? :lol:
It’s their and everyware.
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kalm wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:49 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:41 am

Hear? Where is that ? :lol:
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kalm wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:09 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 9:42 pm
Twitter doesn’t exist anymore.
It’s in the url every time I post something from there to hear.

:coffee:
And for years after I-AA ceased to exist, you were still typing in I-AA into URLs..
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BDKJMU wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 6:29 pm
kalm wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:09 am
It’s in the url every time I post something from there to hear.

:coffee:
And for years after I-AA ceased to exist, you were still typing in I-AA into URLs..
It still exists on CS - if you post a tweet w/ x.com it shows as a link but if you post it as twitter.com it's embedded and can be read without having to click on the link?

Are "posts" still tweets? Or are they Xeets or something now?
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Florida book banners ban book on book bans
The Indian River County School Board voted to remove "Ban This Book" by Alan Gratz from its shelves in a meeting last month, overruling its own district book-review committee's decision to keep it.

The children's novel follows a fictional fourth grader who creates a secret banned books locker library after her school board pulled a multitude of titles off the shelves.

Indian River County School Board members said they disliked how it referenced other books that had been removed from schools and accused it of "teaching rebellion of school board authority," as described in the formal motion to oust it.
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The arch conservatives on the Supreme Court are supposed to be originalists?

Intellectually corrupt or just plain ignorant?

The United States was founded on the liberal/progressive ideas of the enlightenment. It was not founded on Christianity.

The United States was the first country at that time in history to openly reject any role for religion, a prohibition that appears twice in our Constitution and repeatedly in the writings of the Founding generation as you can read in great and astonishing detail here.

Religious leaders in the Founders’ day, in defense of church/state cooperation and collaboration, tried to argue that for centuries kings and queens in England had said that if the state didn’t support the church, the church would eventually wither and die. They wanted subsidies, like Bush’s and Trump‘s “faith based initiatives,” and to avoid all taxation.

“Father of the Constitution” James Madison, himself an active Christian, flatly rejected this argument, noting in a July 10, 1822 letter to Edward Livingston:

“We are teaching the world the great truth, that Governments do better without kings and nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson: the Religion flourishes in greater purity without, than with the aid of Government.”

He added in that same letter:

“I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.”

….


No matter how hard Republicans try to reinvent the Founders and Framers of this nation in the image of their libertarian billionaire patrons, and no matter how imperfect and even brutal their time was, the simple reality is that in 1770’s America this nation’s Founders undertook history’s first truly great progressive experiment.

And they put their lives on the line to do it: when they signed their names on the Declaration, a death warrant was issued against each one of them by the largest and most powerful empire in the world.

But in the end, they believed they had succeeded.

As President George Washington wrote on March 15, 1790:

“As mankind become more liberal they will be more apt to allow, that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the Community are equally entitled to the protection of civil Government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations in examples of justice and liberality.”
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kalm wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:29 am The arch conservatives on the Supreme Court are supposed to be originalists?

Intellectually corrupt or just plain ignorant?

The United States was founded on the liberal/progressive ideas of the enlightenment. It was not founded on Christianity.

The United States was the first country at that time in history to openly reject any role for religion, a prohibition that appears twice in our Constitution and repeatedly in the writings of the Founding generation as you can read in great and astonishing detail here.

Religious leaders in the Founders’ day, in defense of church/state cooperation and collaboration, tried to argue that for centuries kings and queens in England had said that if the state didn’t support the church, the church would eventually wither and die. They wanted subsidies, like Bush’s and Trump‘s “faith based initiatives,” and to avoid all taxation.

“Father of the Constitution” James Madison, himself an active Christian, flatly rejected this argument, noting in a July 10, 1822 letter to Edward Livingston:

“We are teaching the world the great truth, that Governments do better without kings and nobles than with them. The merit will be doubled by the other lesson: the Religion flourishes in greater purity without, than with the aid of Government.”

He added in that same letter:

“I have no doubt that every new example will succeed, as every past one has done, in showing that religion and Government will both exist in greater purity the less they are mixed together.”

….


No matter how hard Republicans try to reinvent the Founders and Framers of this nation in the image of their libertarian billionaire patrons, and no matter how imperfect and even brutal their time was, the simple reality is that in 1770’s America this nation’s Founders undertook history’s first truly great progressive experiment.

And they put their lives on the line to do it: when they signed their names on the Declaration, a death warrant was issued against each one of them by the largest and most powerful empire in the world.

But in the end, they believed they had succeeded.

As President George Washington wrote on March 15, 1790:

“As mankind become more liberal they will be more apt to allow, that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the Community are equally entitled to the protection of civil Government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations in examples of justice and liberality.”
https://hartmannreport.com/p/alito-thom ... trayal-de6
IMO, Alito's statement that "people in this country who believe in God have got to keep fighting for that, to return our country to a place of godliness" is not as bad as the Chicken Littles are making it out to be. To me, godliness is about being a better person and is not limited to Christian godliness. We are a secular not Christian nation so Yahweh and Allah would be welcome as would Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and many others. And let's not exclude atheists, agnostics, druids and more.

The Founders absolutely did not intend for the United States to be a Christian nation but most were Christians or Deists. Would the Deists be opposed to the US returning to a place of godliness? Does it depend on how you define godliness and whether it is required or an individual choice?

I also don't find getting butt hurt over a neighbor flying a Pride flag to be very godly. Love thy neighbor as thyself and all that.
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