BDKJMU wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:23 am
UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 14, 2024 9:18 am
Do we have a list of the 162 lies and distortions? Let's see BDK refute them rather dismissing everything just because it came from NPR.
NPR is at least as reliable as musk, tucker, hannity, etc.
Nope. Its the job of the person who brought it up to back it up. So I don’t have to refute shit. So lets see Kalm (and you) back up each of the 162 with links/video as oppose to just taking NPR’s word for it.
I'll cheery pick a bunch for you to refute. There is a lot of redundancy (partly because trump likes to repeat lies/distortions) but NPR provides the info so no links/video required ...
1. “I think our country right now is in the most dangerous position it’s ever been in from an economic standpoint…”
The U.S. economy has rebounded from the pandemic downturn more rapidly than most other countries around the world. Growth has slowed in recent months, but gross domestic product still grew at a relatively healthy annual clip of 2.8% in April, May and June – which is faster than the pace in three of the four years when Trump was president. — Scott Horsley, NPR chief economics correspondent
Complete distortion. We were in worse shape during the Great Depression and the financial crisis of 2007/2008 and I'm sure there are a number of other moments in our history if I took some time to research them.
10. “He doesn't want to have borders. He doesn't want to have walls.”
Walz has never called for having no borders. He has voiced opposition to a wall because he doesn't think it will stop illegal immigration. He told Anderson Cooper on CNN, for example, that a wall "is not how you stop" illegal immigration He called for more border-control agents, electronics and more legal ways to immigrate.
16. “Fortunately, we've had some very good polls over the last fairly short period of time.”
Most good polls have shown Harris gaining not just nationally, but also in the swing states, though these same polls show a very close race.
17. “Rasmussen came out today. We're substantially leading.”
Trump is not substantially leading, and Rasmussen is viewed as one of the least credible pollsters in the country.
18. “And others came out today that we're leading, and in some cases, substantially, I guess, MSNBC came out, or CNBC came out also, with a poll that was, you know, has us leading.”
Polls have not shown substantial leads. CNBC had Trump leading by 2, unchanged from his 2-point lead in July.
19. “And leading fairly big in swing states. In some polls, I'm leading very big in swing states… .”
Again, polls in swing states have shown a tightened race.
28. “We have a president that's the worst president in the history of our country.”
Trump may have this opinion, but he says it as if it’s fact, and a 2022 survey of historians ranked Biden in the top half of presidents. Trump, on the other hand, was No. 43. The two below Trump were James Buchanan, who did little to stop the impending U.S. Civil War, and the impeached and nearly convicted Andrew Johnson.
29. “We have a vice president who is the least admired, least respected, and the worst vice president in the history of our country.”
A recent rating of vice presidents did not show this. Harris was in the bottom half of vice presidents, but Spiro Agnew, Dan Quayle, Henry A. Wallace and were toward the bottom of the list.
32-34. “And I'm no Biden fan, but I'll tell you what, from a constitutional standpoint, from any standpoint you're looking at, they took the presidency away. … And they took it away.”
There’s nothing in the U.S. Constitution about picking presidential candidates. This is a party process, and everything has been done within party rules. And, again, the presidency wasn’t taken away: Biden is still president.
54. “And yet they weaponized the system against me.”
The justice system was not weaponized against Trump. Biden went through pains to not show any interference with the Justice Department. And Trump was found guilty by a jury of his peers in New York in a state case.
55-58. “I won the big case in Florida. I won the big case. … Nobody even wrote about it. The big case.”
(1) Trump did not “win” the classified documents case against him in Florida; (2) this was not “the big case” against him; (3) there was plenty of coverage of it; and (4) he goes on to repeat that he won the case later.
For context: the judge in the case controversially dismissed it, claiming the special counsel was unconstitutionally appointed despite Supreme Court decisions upholding independent counsels. The Justice Department has signaled it will appeal by the end of August but by the time the decision comes back, the election will be over.
70. “I know Josh Shapiro. He's a terrible guy. And he's not very popular with anybody.”
A Fox News poll last month showed Pennsylvania Gov. Josh Shapiro, a finalist to be Harris’ running mate, had a 61% approval rating in the state. Other polls also found him with a net-positive rating, though, not quite as high.
92-93. “We're leading in Georgia by a lot. We're leading in Pennsylvania by a lot.”
The races in Georgia and Pennsylvania are within the margin of error, according to an average of the polls.
96. “Of course there'll be a peaceful transfer. And there was last time.”
This wholly ignores the Jan. 6 siege on the Capitol, which took place because of Trump’s election lies
102. “Nobody was killed on Jan. 6th.”
Conservatives were upset at the time that one of the rioters, Ashli Babbitt, was killed when she was shot by police, as she was trying to force her way into the Speaker’s Lobby of the Capitol, which leads to the House chamber, with a crowd of others. Many officers were injured that day; one died of a stroke as a result of Jan. 6; and others later died by suicide that their families say was also a result of Jan. 6.
107-108. “If you look at Martin Luther King, when he did his speech, his great speech, and you look at ours, same real estate, same, everything, same number of people. If not, we had more. …You look at the picture of his crowd, my crowd, uh, we actually had more people.”
First, the speeches did not take place at the “same real estate.” Trump spoke from a position just south of the Ellipse. Martin Luther King Jr. spoke from the steps of the Lincoln Memorial
Second, the crowds were not the same size and Trump’s was certainly not larger. It is an extraordinary claim and shows just how much Trump cares about crowd size.
130. “Well, I know Willie Brown very well. In fact, I went down in a helicopter with him. We thought maybe this is the end. We were in a helicopter going to a certain location together and there was an emergency landing.”
This claim has not held up to scrutiny. Politico reported that Trump did have to make an emergency landing in a helicopter with a Black California politician decades ago, but it wasn’t Willie Brown, the former San Francisco mayor and state assembly speaker. It was Nate Holden, a former Los Angeles city councilman and state senator.
133. “Our tax cuts, which are the biggest in history… .”
The 2017 tax cuts were not the biggest in history. As a share of the economy, they barely make the top 10. They were big enough, however, to blow a big hole in the federal budget, which is why Trump was overseeing a nearly $1 trillion dollar annual deficit before the pandemic. — Scott Horsley
141. “They're gonna destroy Social Security.”
Democrats have consistently advocated for keeping Social Security and making it solvent.
162 lies and distortions in a news conference. NPR fact-checks former President Trump
