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I dont focus on Trumps Rhetoric.

I focus on the conspiracy between Harris campaign and the main stream media to kill president Trump. That is the vile rhetoric that is pouring gas on a situation 9 years in the making.

You cant blame the guy for trying to defend himself after nearly a decade of bullying and harassment.
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Bobcat wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:58 am I dont focus on Trumps Rhetoric.

I focus on the conspiracy between Harris campaign and the main stream media to kill president Trump. That is the vile rhetoric that is pouring gas on a situation 9 years in the making.

You cant blame the guy for trying to defend himself after nearly a decade of bullying and harassment.
exactly, and who knows better than Trump the full extent of what they did to him since 2015
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kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:37 am
GannonFan wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:55 am

Waiting on the list, as well as the probability of being able to do any of it. :coffee:
Well I don’t want close to any of it. It’s highly unlikely to see a Night of the Broken Glass or a burning of the capital building however a Orban style takeover is already being attempted through media and the courts.

Here’s a quick hit. I’m sure there are many others. Have fun with the nitpicking.

How old was the clip, like a year old? I'm not sure they even mentioned the word fascist in all 13 minutes. Maybe the memo didn't get through to them to change messaging. Again, sure, if Trump was able to become and autocrat I'm sure he would move in that direction. Again, luckily for all of us, our system of government and all other institutions mean that one person can't become that. Come on, Trump wanted to build a wall he moment he took office last time. In the end, he wasn't able to build squat. Heck, more of the wall was built under Biden's administration than it was under dictator-wanna-be Trump. And now we honestly warn that he could take the military and install a fascist state? Come on. In the clip you provided from NPR they talked about how he was using end of time rhetoric and how this was a last stand for the country? How many times over the past 2 or 3 elections have we heard the same gloomy predictions from the left that this is the last stand for democracy? And yet here we are, voting again in a national election, just like we'll vote in 2026, and 2028, and 2030, and so on and so on.

I'm not voting for Trump, but it does all of us a disservice when we resort to hyperbole, call him Hitler, and pretend that we're in 1933 Germany and the Weimar is about to crumble. Knowing some things about history also require the ability to know how history can repeat itself, but also reasons why history won't repeat itself. America today is not 1933 Germany. Feel free to look that up.
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JFC, What the heck has our VP been doing for the past 4 years.... horrific candidate.... Joey is livid behind the scenes when he told his masters about her faults .... DEI being exposed
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:03 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:37 am

Well I don’t want close to any of it. It’s highly unlikely to see a Night of the Broken Glass or a burning of the capital building however a Orban style takeover is already being attempted through media and the courts.

Here’s a quick hit. I’m sure there are many others. Have fun with the nitpicking.

How old was the clip, like a year old? I'm not sure they even mentioned the word fascist in all 13 minutes. Maybe the memo didn't get through to them to change messaging. Again, sure, if Trump was able to become and autocrat I'm sure he would move in that direction. Again, luckily for all of us, our system of government and all other institutions mean that one person can't become that. Come on, Trump wanted to build a wall he moment he took office last time. In the end, he wasn't able to build squat. Heck, more of the wall was built under Biden's administration than it was under dictator-wanna-be Trump. And now we honestly warn that he could take the military and install a fascist state? Come on. In the clip you provided from NPR they talked about how he was using end of time rhetoric and how this was a last stand for the country? How many times over the past 2 or 3 elections have we heard the same gloomy predictions from the left that this is the last stand for democracy? And yet here we are, voting again in a national election, just like we'll vote in 2026, and 2028, and 2030, and so on and so on.

I'm not voting for Trump, but it does all of us a disservice when we resort to hyperbole, call him Hitler, and pretend that we're in 1933 Germany and the Weimar is about to crumble. Knowing some things about history also require the ability to know how history can repeat itself, but also reasons why history won't repeat itself. America today is not 1933 Germany. Feel free to look that up.
Good post.

Honestly the only reason I am voting for Trump is because the left is calling him Hitler.

If you are going to be that intellectually dishonest you need 4 more years of hate in your life. It balances the scales
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It took less than 5 hours to get #Kamalagropedme trending on X.

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GannonFan wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:03 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:37 am

Well I don’t want close to any of it. It’s highly unlikely to see a Night of the Broken Glass or a burning of the capital building however a Orban style takeover is already being attempted through media and the courts.

Here’s a quick hit. I’m sure there are many others. Have fun with the nitpicking.

How old was the clip, like a year old? I'm not sure they even mentioned the word fascist in all 13 minutes. Maybe the memo didn't get through to them to change messaging. Again, sure, if Trump was able to become and autocrat I'm sure he would move in that direction. Again, luckily for all of us, our system of government and all other institutions mean that one person can't become that. Come on, Trump wanted to build a wall he moment he took office last time. In the end, he wasn't able to build squat. Heck, more of the wall was built under Biden's administration than it was under dictator-wanna-be Trump. And now we honestly warn that he could take the military and install a fascist state? Come on. In the clip you provided from NPR they talked about how he was using end of time rhetoric and how this was a last stand for the country? How many times over the past 2 or 3 elections have we heard the same gloomy predictions from the left that this is the last stand for democracy? And yet here we are, voting again in a national election, just like we'll vote in 2026, and 2028, and 2030, and so on and so on.

I'm not voting for Trump, but it does all of us a disservice when we resort to hyperbole, call him Hitler, and pretend that we're in 1933 Germany and the Weimar is about to crumble. Knowing some things about history also require the ability to know how history can repeat itself, but also reasons why history won't repeat itself. America today is not 1933 Germany. Feel free to look that up.
Take a deep breath. Then go back and read my post. It pre-addressed all of your points here.

The one I will counter is “it can’t happen here” based on Trump’s first term.

All of those cabinet members, Republicans, and never Trumpers who worked for him and talked him down from crazy will be replaced through promotion or from the current band of election sycophants with people like Stephen Miller and Kash Patel. Or, as Trump has suggested, Elon musk.

There’s a reason the former associates are firing warning shots and it ain’t over disagreements in policy.
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Yep and its because they were cut off from being entrenched in government.

It can't happen here our republic wont allow it

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kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:25 pm
GannonFan wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:03 pm

How old was the clip, like a year old? I'm not sure they even mentioned the word fascist in all 13 minutes. Maybe the memo didn't get through to them to change messaging. Again, sure, if Trump was able to become and autocrat I'm sure he would move in that direction. Again, luckily for all of us, our system of government and all other institutions mean that one person can't become that. Come on, Trump wanted to build a wall he moment he took office last time. In the end, he wasn't able to build squat. Heck, more of the wall was built under Biden's administration than it was under dictator-wanna-be Trump. And now we honestly warn that he could take the military and install a fascist state? Come on. In the clip you provided from NPR they talked about how he was using end of time rhetoric and how this was a last stand for the country? How many times over the past 2 or 3 elections have we heard the same gloomy predictions from the left that this is the last stand for democracy? And yet here we are, voting again in a national election, just like we'll vote in 2026, and 2028, and 2030, and so on and so on.

I'm not voting for Trump, but it does all of us a disservice when we resort to hyperbole, call him Hitler, and pretend that we're in 1933 Germany and the Weimar is about to crumble. Knowing some things about history also require the ability to know how history can repeat itself, but also reasons why history won't repeat itself. America today is not 1933 Germany. Feel free to look that up.
Take a deep breath. Then go back and read my post. It pre-addressed all of your points here.

The one I will counter is “it can’t happen here” based on Trump’s first term.

All of those cabinet members, Republicans, and never Trumpers who worked for him and talked him down from crazy will be replaced through promotion or from the current band of election sycophants with people like Stephen Miller and Kash Patel. Or, as Trump has suggested, Elon musk.

There’s a reason the former associates are firing warning shots and it ain’t over disagreements in policy.
Did it? Not all that clear to me. Again, the Executive branch only has so many levers of control, no matter how many whackos inhabit that branch. The legislative branch still holds the purse strings, and the judicial branch still tells us what's constitutional or not. And all the separate state governments and other layers of courts do their part as well. This isn't Hungary, and it's not 1933 Germany. Stop drawing disparate historical examples.
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KKKalm getting it handed to him again today
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GannonFan wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:52 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:25 pm

Take a deep breath. Then go back and read my post. It pre-addressed all of your points here.

The one I will counter is “it can’t happen here” based on Trump’s first term.

All of those cabinet members, Republicans, and never Trumpers who worked for him and talked him down from crazy will be replaced through promotion or from the current band of election sycophants with people like Stephen Miller and Kash Patel. Or, as Trump has suggested, Elon musk.

There’s a reason the former associates are firing warning shots and it ain’t over disagreements in policy.
Did it? Not all that clear to me. Again, the Executive branch only has so many levers of control, no matter how many whackos inhabit that branch. The legislative branch still holds the purse strings, and the judicial branch still tells us what's constitutional or not. And all the separate state governments and other layers of courts do their part as well. This isn't Hungary, and it's not 1933 Germany. Stop drawing disparate historical examples.
Hungary is a current example and solid playbook for getting it done.

Here’s a piece from National Review which highlights in what ways both candidates threaten the constitution. There are more examples.
Has Trump changed since 2019? His atrocious response to the 2020 election, including pressuring Mike Pence to exceed his authority under the Twelfth Amendment to control the certification of electors, was in character for Trump when he is responding to defeat. It exposed what can happen when he is personally bent on something and unrestrained by responsible people, whose ranks dwindled in the closing months of his presidency.

Trump has signaled since then that in a second term he would be less restrained. In 2022, he said on social media that we should “throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER” or “have a NEW ELECTION” because “a Massive Fraud . . . allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.” He has since denied even saying it, claiming that he just wanted to “RIGHT THE WRONG” of a purportedly stolen election, but it’s prudent to be alarmed at such talk.

Trump has emitted ominous but vague threats to seek retribution against political enemies and to use the military against unruly domestic protesters and rioters, and perhaps “the enemy from within” — a phrase he’s used specifically for certain Democrats in Congress. This, too, is dangerously reckless talk. Yet his previous administration was hesitant on those fronts. Hillary Clinton was never charged under the Espionage Act, and John Durham’s probe of law-enforcement misconduct against Trump brought only the narrowest of charges. Trump let disorder rule American streets in the summer of 2020 and wound up being widely criticized for failing to deploy troops to defend the Capitol. Few serious people think he would, for example, haul Liz Cheney in front of a military commission. But the mere fact of asking the question is a dismal sign
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And this doesn’t mention the presidential immunity threats.

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GannonFan wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:52 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 1:25 pm

Take a deep breath. Then go back and read my post. It pre-addressed all of your points here.

The one I will counter is “it can’t happen here” based on Trump’s first term.

All of those cabinet members, Republicans, and never Trumpers who worked for him and talked him down from crazy will be replaced through promotion or from the current band of election sycophants with people like Stephen Miller and Kash Patel. Or, as Trump has suggested, Elon musk.

There’s a reason the former associates are firing warning shots and it ain’t over disagreements in policy.
Did it? Not all that clear to me. Again, the Executive branch only has so many levers of control, no matter how many whackos inhabit that branch. The legislative branch still holds the purse strings, and the judicial branch still tells us what's constitutional or not. And all the separate state governments and other layers of courts do their part as well. This isn't Hungary, and it's not 1933 Germany. Stop drawing disparate historical examples.
One the big questions is how much of project 2025's changes to the government workforce would doneOLD be able to implement? Will he be able to shift agency leadership positions into political appointees so they can remove them and put sycophants in place? How big of a reduction in the federal workforce can they implement within a year? Within four years?

I think the federal government is bloated and ineffective and I think it's become more partisan than it should be. It needs to be smaller but gutting it for the sake of gutting it will make it less effective. I also don't want to see administrative leadership veering left and right depending on who wins the presidential election. It should be a check against partisan overreach not a tool for it.

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Leadership just teaches how to be partisan, corrupt and hold onto your job.

Need to gut it
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kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:16 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:25 am

:lol: Pulled the rug right out from underneath Klan.
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kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:04 am For those offended at Trump being considered a fascist….
In her discussion with host Anderson Cooper, Harris focused on the reiteration yesterday by Trump’s longest-serving White House chief of staff, retired U.S. Marine Corps general John Kelly, that Trump had spoken admiringly of Adolf Hitler and expressed a desire to have generals like Hitler’s. In an interview with the New York Times, Kelly said Trump “met the definition of a fascist, would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding of the Constitution or the concept of rule of law.”

The ideology of fascism is associated with Italian journalist and politician Benito Mussolini, who articulated a new political ideology in the 1920s. Mussolini had been a socialist as a young man and had grown frustrated at how hard it was to organize people. No matter what socialists tried, they seemed unable to convince their neighbors that they must rise up and take over the country’s means of production. The efficiency of World War I inspired Mussolini to give up on socialism and develop a new political theory.

Mussolini rejected the equality that defined democracy and came to believe that some men were better than others. Those few must lead, taking a nation forward by directing the actions of the rest. They must organize the people as they had during wartime, ruthlessly suppressing all opposition and directing the economy so that business and politicians worked together. Logically, that select group of leaders would elevate a single man, who would become an all-powerful dictator. To weld their followers into an efficient machine, they demonized opponents into an “other” that their followers could hate.

This hierarchical system of government was called “fascism” after the bundle of rods tied around an axe that was the ancient Roman symbol of authority and power. Italy adopted it, and Mussolini’s ideas inspired others, notably Germany’s Adolf Hitler. These leaders believed that their new system would reclaim a glorious past with the ideology of the future, welding pure men into a military and social machine that moved all as one, while pure women supported society as mothers. They set out to eliminate those who didn’t fit their model and to destroy the messy, inefficient democracy that stood in their way.

But while today we associate fascism with this European movement, its foundational principle—that some men are better than others and have the right and even the duty to rule over the majority—runs parallel to that same strand in United States history. Indeed, Nazi lawyers and judges turned to America’s Jim Crow laws for inspiration, and Hitler looked to America’s Indigenous reservations as a way to rid a country of “unwanted” people.

For retired Marine general John Kelly to have spoken out against Trump before the 2024 election was a huge deal. As Secretary Buttigieg put it: “It’s one thing for some leftist group to call you a fascist. Quite another when it’s a fellow Republican. And absolutely astonishing when it’s your own chief of staff.” But Kelly was not alone. Former chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley told veteran journalist Bob Woodward that Trump is “fascist to the core.”

In tonight’s CNN town hall, Vice President Harris told Cooper that she agreed that Trump is a fascist. She noted that when a four-star Marine general comes out two weeks before an election to warn Americans that one of the candidates is a fascist, we should see this as “a 911 call to the American people.”

Trump is “increasingly unstable,” Harris said, “and unfit to serve…. [T]he people who know Donald Trump best, the people who worked with him in the White House, in the Situation Room, in the Oval Office, all Republicans by the way, who served in his administration, his former chief of staff, his national security advisor, former secretaries of defense, and his vice president have all called him unfit and dangerous. They have said explicitly he has contempt for the Constitution of the United States. They have said he should never again serve as President of the United States,” she said.

When Trump talks about “the enemy within,” Harris said, “ [h]e's talking about the American people. He's talking about journalists, judges, nonpartisan election officials…. And he's going to sit there unstable, unhinged, plotting his revenge, plotting his retribution. Creating an enemies list.” In contrast, she said, she would have a “to-do list” to work on the things that matter to the American people.

When Trump responded to Kelly’s claims, he appeared to confuse Kelly, who was retired when Trump chose him to serve as White House chief of staff, and Mark Milley, the active-duty chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Trump referred to four-star general Kelly, whose son died in Afghanistan, as “tough and dumb,” a “LOWLIFE, and a bad General,” but then went on to talk of him as active duty and to say he stopped seeking his advice in the White House.

Forced to comment on Kelly’s comment about Trump’s embracing fascism, Republican leaders are either ducking the question or acting as if it is not a big deal. On CNN this morning, New Hampshire governor Chris Sununu said the news that Trump has praised Hitler will not affect Sununu’s support. “If we can get a Republican mindset out of Washington,” he said, “we need that culture change.”

At a rally tonight in Macon, Georgia, Trump agreed with the audience as it chanted: “Lock him up.” “You should lock them up,” Trump said. “Lock up the Bidens. Lock up Hillary. Lock ‘em up.”
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:rofl: And this is a perfect example of your horrible instincts. Kelly has already been debunked by multiple more credible people. You buy the most ludicrous shit out there.

If Trump truly said this and Kelly kept working for Trump, what does that say about Kelly. Neither scenario looks good for Kelly.
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SeattleDingleberry wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:05 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 7:04 am For those offended at Trump being considered a fascist….
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:rofl: And this is a perfect example of your horrible instincts. Kelly has already been debunked by multiple more credible people. You buy the most ludicrous shit out there.
Maybe if Kelly was an individual outlier but he's one of many former doneOLD senior officials who have reported similar things so he's also been confirmed by multiple, credible people.

He's also more credible then DONEold, musk, tucker, Swiss cheese dude, etc. yet you continue to buy their "ludicrous shit".

Waiting for the weak ass "but trump!" "tDS!" "You're unhinged!" response.

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UNI88 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:17 pm
SeattleDingleberry wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:05 pm

:rofl: And this is a perfect example of your horrible instincts. Kelly has already been debunked by multiple more credible people. You buy the most ludicrous shit out there.
Maybe if Kelly was an individual outlier but he's one of many former doneOLD senior officials who have reported similar things so he's also been confirmed by multiple, credible people.

He's also more credible then DONEold, musk, tucker, Swiss cheese dude, etc. yet you continue to buy their "ludicrous shit".

Waiting for the weak ass "but trump!" "tDS!" "You're unhinged!" response.

:coffee:
If he's so awesome, then why did he stay in his position after that horrible statement? He sounds like a swell guy.

How about you let your intellect instead of your emotion govern your thoughts for once Uni St Behar.
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SeattleDingleberry wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:19 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:17 pm
Maybe if Kelly was an individual outlier but he's one of many former doneOLD senior officials who have reported similar things so he's also been confirmed by multiple, credible people.

He's also more credible then DONEold, musk, tucker, Swiss cheese dude, etc. yet you continue to buy their "ludicrous shit".

Waiting for the weak ass "but trump!" "tDS!" "You're unhinged!" response.

:coffee:
If he's so awesome, then why did he stay in his position after that horrible statement? He sounds like a swell guy.

How about you let your intellect instead of your emotion govern your thoughts for once Uni St Behar.
I don't know why he stayed. Maybe he felt a duty to try and protect the country from doneOLD's excesses.

You first Dingleberry.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:05 am
Bobcat wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 10:57 am Back in 1989 Kamala Harris groped me on an escalator in Vegas.

It has taken me years to get over it but I thought right now was the exact time to tell everyone about it.

I am white, it was a hate crime, silence is violence. Be Brave

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GannonFan wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 12:03 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 11:37 am

Well I don’t want close to any of it. It’s highly unlikely to see a Night of the Broken Glass or a burning of the capital building however a Orban style takeover is already being attempted through media and the courts.

Here’s a quick hit. I’m sure there are many others. Have fun with the nitpicking.

How old was the clip, like a year old? I'm not sure they even mentioned the word fascist in all 13 minutes. Maybe the memo didn't get through to them to change messaging. Again, sure, if Trump was able to become and autocrat I'm sure he would move in that direction. Again, luckily for all of us, our system of government and all other institutions mean that one person can't become that. Come on, Trump wanted to build a wall he moment he took office last time. In the end, he wasn't able to build squat. Heck, more of the wall was built under Biden's administration than it was under dictator-wanna-be Trump. And now we honestly warn that he could take the military and install a fascist state? Come on. In the clip you provided from NPR they talked about how he was using end of time rhetoric and how this was a last stand for the country? How many times over the past 2 or 3 elections have we heard the same gloomy predictions from the left that this is the last stand for democracy? And yet here we are, voting again in a national election, just like we'll vote in 2026, and 2028, and 2030, and so on and so on.

I'm not voting for Trump, but it does all of us a disservice when we resort to hyperbole, call him Hitler, and pretend that we're in 1933 Germany and the Weimar is about to crumble. Knowing some things about history also require the ability to know how history can repeat itself, but also reasons why history won't repeat itself. America today is not 1933 Germany. Feel free to look that up.
Agree with much of your post but you are wrong on the wall. Under Trump 450+ miles of border wall was built. And completely replacing delapidated fencing/barriers with new wall is new wall. A fraction of that has been built under Biden.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:17 pm
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:rofl: And this is a perfect example of your horrible instincts. Kelly has already been debunked by multiple more credible people. You buy the most ludicrous shit out there.
Maybe if Kelly was an individual outlier but he's one of many former doneOLD senior officials who have reported similar things so he's also been confirmed by multiple, credible people.

He's also more credible then DONEold, musk, tucker, Swiss cheese dude, etc. yet you continue to buy their "ludicrous shit".

Waiting for the weak ass "but trump!" "tDS!" "You're unhinged!" response.

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Gen Kelly’s is no more credible than Gen Kellogg, who says Gen Kelly is full of shit.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:03 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:17 pm
Maybe if Kelly was an individual outlier but he's one of many former doneOLD senior officials who have reported similar things so he's also been confirmed by multiple, credible people.

He's also more credible then DONEold, musk, tucker, Swiss cheese dude, etc. yet you continue to buy their "ludicrous shit".

Waiting for the weak ass "but trump!" "tDS!" "You're unhinged!" response.

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Gen Kelly’s is no more credible than Gen Kellogg, who says Gen Kelly is full of shit.
Is Gen. Kellogg more credible than Gen. Kelly? If you say yes, provide the basis/defend that position.

We have differing accounts. Can anyone prove that Kellogg is correct and Kelly isn't or vice versa? I don't think so. But you add in all of the other people who have worked for doneOLD and said similar things about him and there is enough there for me to believe there is truth to it. You are free to disagree but I'm calling bullshit if you, SeattleDingleberry or bobsKKKat try to tell me that Gen. Kelly isn't credible simply because you want to believe someone else's account.
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UNI88 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:13 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:03 pm
Gen Kelly’s is no more credible than Gen Kellogg, who says Gen Kelly is full of shit.
Is Gen. Kellogg more credible than Gen. Kelly? If you say yes, provide the basis/defend that position.

We have differing accounts. Can anyone prove that Kellogg is correct and Kelly isn't or vice versa? I don't think so. But you add in all of the other people who have worked for doneOLD and said similar things about him and there is enough there for me to believe there is truth to it. You are free to disagree but I'm calling bullshit if you, SeattleDingleberry or bobsKKKat try to tell me that Gen. Kelly isn't credible simply because you want to believe someone else's account.
Let's go with facts here bro. Jeffrey Goldberg, who wrote the article, was also the guy that released the "suckers and losers" story in 2020 right before the election. Debunked.

Now he goes for a two-fer by trying to say Trump criticized a military girl's funeral and was quickly put in his place as a liar by all the people in the room and the girl's family. As for the second whopper, Goldberg trots out Kelly's uncorroborated statement. Two high ranking officials have come forward to say Kelly is full of shit.

Let's also talk about how Kelly conveniently didn't say anything for 5.5 years on the subject until two weeks before the election. Hmm. Where was the outrage and amazing timing.

Trump fired Kelly for incompetence and he's bitter.

Kelly also sits on the board of Acuity International. Can you happen to guess where they make a TON of money? Ukraine, the place where Trump says he will end the war immediately.

You keep going with feelz instead of smarts.

Seriously, get your head checked Uni St Behar, before you go further shithouse rat crazy.
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SeattleDingleberry_id=1459190 wrote:Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:31 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:13 pm
Is Gen. Kellogg more credible than Gen. Kelly? If you say yes, provide the basis/defend that position.

We have differing accounts. Can anyone prove that Kellogg is correct and Kelly isn't or vice versa? I don't think so. But you add in all of the other people who have worked for doneOLD and said similar things about him and there is enough there for me to believe there is truth to it. You are free to disagree but I'm calling bullshit if you, SeattleDingleberry or bobsKKKat try to tell me that Gen. Kelly isn't credible simply because you want to believe someone else's account.
Let's go with facts here bro. Jeffrey Goldberg, who wrote the article, was also the guy that released the "suckers and losers" story in 2020 right before the election. Debunked.

Now he goes for a two-fer by trying to say Trump criticized a military girl's funeral and was quickly put in his place as a liar by all the people in the room and the girl's family. As for the second whopper, Goldberg trots out Kelly's uncorroborated statement. Two high ranking officials have come forward to say Kelly is full of shit.

Let's also talk about how Kelly conveniently didn't say anything for 5.5 years on the subject until two weeks before the election. Hmm. Where was the outrage and amazing timing.

Trump fired Kelly for incompetence and he's bitter.

Kelly also sits on the board of Acuity International. Can you happen to guess where they make a TON of money? Ukraine, the place where Trump says he will end the war immediately.

You keep going with feelz instead of smarts.

Seriously, get your head checked Uni St Behar, before you go further shithouse rat crazy.
Kelly's statements are disputed, not debunked.

Did DONEold fire Kelly or did he resign? That too is in dispute.

Speaking of "going with feelz instead of smarts", you have confirmation bias, giving credence to sources/reports that support what you want to believe while dismissing those that conflict with what you want to believe.
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Re: Trump vs Harris

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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:05 pm
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:rofl: And this is a perfect example of your horrible instincts. Kelly has already been debunked by multiple more credible people. You buy the most ludicrous shit out there.

If Trump truly said this and Kelly kept working for Trump, what does that say about Kelly. Neither scenario looks good for Kelly.
I’m sorry….are you making a claim about credible sources? You?

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