Trump Cabinet/Appointments

[SeattleGriz]

How is my argument ruined? Certainly not by you ducking my questions.

Or, are you really arguing that the measles outbreak on Samoa after kennedy spoke out against vaccines was a coincidence? Would the families of Samoans who died of measles after they listened to kennedy agree with you?

Take it easy, ‘88. SG is also an internet certified expert on subtropical measles outbreaks and virology.

Consider yourself warned.

It's pretty easy to pull CDC/FDA information. Unlike you, I actually understand science and how to do research.

[kalm]

Take it easy, ‘88. SG is also an internet certified expert on subtropical measles outbreaks and virology.

Consider yourself warned.

It's pretty easy to pull CDC/FDA information. Unlike you, I actually understand science and how to do research.

It’s also pretty easy to regard anything you post as manipulated to suit your politics.

Especially when you don’t provide any links.

[SeattleGriz]

It's pretty easy to pull CDC/FDA information. Unlike you, I actually understand science and how to do research.

It’s also pretty easy to regard anything you post as manipulated to suit your politics.

Especially when you don’t provide any links.

It's data from the CDC/FDA. No manipulation, but you are unable to grasp that. Stick to managing golf. You are in way over your head.

I have always given science links. I don't give links to mainstream media.

If you know so much, answer the questions.

[kalm]

It’s also pretty easy to regard anything you post as manipulated to suit your politics.

Especially when you don’t provide any links.

It's data from the CDC/FDA. No manipulation, but you are unable to grasp that. Stick to managing golf. You are in way over your head.

I have always given science links. I don't give links to mainstream media.

If you know so much, answer the questions.

You cited CDC and FDA data here but no links to support.

Be better.

[SeattleGriz]

It's data from the CDC/FDA. No manipulation, but you are unable to grasp that. Stick to managing golf. You are in way over your head.

I have always given science links. I don't give links to mainstream media.

If you know so much, answer the questions.

You cited CDC and FDA data here but no links to support.

Be better.

I'm telling you the answer to my question is taken from the CDC/FDA sites. I'm asking to see how informed you are on the children's vaccine schedule.

Can you tell me how many of the vaccines on the children's schedule have been tested against a true placebo and how many have been long term safety tested.

The answer should be obvious.

[kalm]

You cited CDC and FDA data here but no links to support.

Be better.

I'm telling you the answer to my question is taken from the CDC/FDA sites. I'm asking to see how informed you are on the children's vaccine schedule.

Can you tell me how many of the vaccines on the children's schedule have been tested against a true placebo and how many have been long term safety tested.

The answer should be obvious.

Can’t…post…a…link.

[SeattleGriz]

I'm telling you the answer to my question is taken from the CDC/FDA sites. I'm asking to see how informed you are on the children's vaccine schedule.

Can you tell me how many of the vaccines on the children's schedule have been tested against a true placebo and how many have been long term safety tested.

The answer should be obvious.

Can’t…post…a…link.

Okay, so we can officially say you are uninformed. You oppose RFK and don't even understand his point. It's zero. None. You don't even remember RFK stating this and Fauci calling him a liar, only to have Fauci admit he was right when confronted with the truth.

Here is a nice summary of the vaccines taken from the official government data. The manufacturers were supposed to run long term studies on ALL of them, but for some reason, never did. This is what you oppose? True placebos in a long term safety study?

https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploa ... 101823.pdf

[UNI88]

Can’t…post…a…link.

Okay, so we can officially say you are uninformed. You oppose RFK and don't even understand his point. It's zero. None. You don't even remember RFK stating this and Fauci calling him a liar, only to have Fauci admit he was right when confronted with the truth.

Here is a nice summary of the vaccines taken from the official government data. The manufacturers were supposed to run long term studies on ALL of them, but for some reason, never did. This is what you oppose? True placebos in a long term safety study?

https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploa ... 101823.pdf

fauxi and rfk jr are both corrupt. I don't trust either.

I've given you credit for understanding the science better than I do (just like I understand economics and international relations better than you do ). That doesn't excuse rfk jr's claims about vaccines causing autism. Can you prove that he's correct?

[SeattleGriz]

Okay, so we can officially say you are uninformed. You oppose RFK and don't even understand his point. It's zero. None. You don't even remember RFK stating this and Fauci calling him a liar, only to have Fauci admit he was right when confronted with the truth.

Here is a nice summary of the vaccines taken from the official government data. The manufacturers were supposed to run long term studies on ALL of them, but for some reason, never did. This is what you oppose? True placebos in a long term safety study?

https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploa ... 101823.pdf

fauxi and rfk jr are both corrupt. I don't trust either.

I've given you credit for understanding the science better than I do (just like I understand economics and international relations better than you do ). That doesn't excuse rfk jr's claims about vaccines causing autism. Can you prove that he's correct?

No, but that's part of the vaccines needing to be long term safety tested. It cannot be ruled in or out with the data available.

Also, as autism is a collection of symptoms and not something that is directly caused by vaccines. We need those studies to rule out we aren't damaging our children due to bad reactions, which then manifests as autism.

This is not a crazy ask. This was SUPPOSED to have been done and never was. Perfect example if you go to the link, is Hep B, which they now give the first shot at birth. They did not test it against a true placebo and ANY adverse reactions after five days was considered as not the vaccine's fault. Seriously.

RFK isn't going to destroy the HHS.

[UNI88]

fauxi and rfk jr are both corrupt. I don't trust either.

I've given you credit for understanding the science better than I do (just like I understand economics and international relations better than you do ). That doesn't excuse rfk jr's claims about vaccines causing autism. Can you prove that he's correct?

No, but that's part of the vaccines needing to be long term safety tested. It cannot be ruled in or out with the data available.

Also, as autism is a collection of symptoms and not something that is directly caused by vaccines. We need those studies to rule out we aren't damaging our children due to bad reactions, which then manifests as autism.

This is not a crazy ask. This was SUPPOSED to have been done and never was. Perfect example if you go to the link, is Hep B, which they now give the first shot at birth. They did not test it against a true placebo and ANY adverse reactions after five days was considered as not the vaccine's fault. Seriously.

RFK isn't going to destroy the HHS.

You raise valid concerns but rfk jr swings the pendulum beyond balanced and unbiased in the other direction. He pushes his theory despite the lack of evidence backing it up.

Healthcare could benefit from being shaken up but is someone with their own biased agenda the right person to do it?

[Caribbean Hen]

No, but that's part of the vaccines needing to be long term safety tested. It cannot be ruled in or out with the data available.

Also, as autism is a collection of symptoms and not something that is directly caused by vaccines. We need those studies to rule out we aren't damaging our children due to bad reactions, which then manifests as autism.

This is not a crazy ask. This was SUPPOSED to have been done and never was. Perfect example if you go to the link, is Hep B, which they now give the first shot at birth. They did not test it against a true placebo and ANY adverse reactions after five days was considered as not the vaccine's fault. Seriously.

RFK isn't going to destroy the HHS.

You raise valid concerns but rfk jr swings the pendulum beyond balanced and unbiased in the other direction. He pushes his theory despite the lack of evidence backing it up.

Healthcare could benefit from being shaken up but is someone with their own biased agenda the right person to do it?

Maybe he’s searching for truth

Something Joey and the bad news Biden administration had zero interest in

[SeattleGriz]

No, but that's part of the vaccines needing to be long term safety tested. It cannot be ruled in or out with the data available.

Also, as autism is a collection of symptoms and not something that is directly caused by vaccines. We need those studies to rule out we aren't damaging our children due to bad reactions, which then manifests as autism.

This is not a crazy ask. This was SUPPOSED to have been done and never was. Perfect example if you go to the link, is Hep B, which they now give the first shot at birth. They did not test it against a true placebo and ANY adverse reactions after five days was considered as not the vaccine's fault. Seriously.

RFK isn't going to destroy the HHS.

You raise valid concerns but rfk jr swings the pendulum beyond balanced and unbiased in the other direction. He pushes his theory despite the lack of evidence backing it up.

Healthcare could benefit from being shaken up but is someone with their own biased agenda the right person to do it?

Here is a link to 222 research papers supporting a vaccine/autism link. None of them prove the link is real, but there's certainly enough correlation to warrant full testing. Right now, the establishment says it would be unethical to withhold vaccines from children. That is horseshit and shows why they needed to be tested in the first place before getting licensed.



Of interesting note, is that Covid was one of the very few to be tested against a true placebo and you remember what they did? They vaccinated the placebo arm around the four month mark for supposed ethical reasons. The infection fatality ratio of the participants was around 3.5 out of 10,000 would have died. That was a horseshit excuse as well. Now they don't have enough statistical power to say one way or the other if the vaccines harmed individuals. Hell, if you were in the Covid thread recently, you can see I posted a study in which they found people still producing the spike protein 2 years after injections. That simply cannot be good for a person.

The vaccine industry lacks proof to make their claims of safety as well. Look at the list. The vast majority of their vaccines were tested against other vaccines. What if it's the preservatives or the adjuvants causing the problems? You can't tell because both sides could have gotten the same harmful ingredient.

The only one on that list that got a long term safety study against a true placebo, was the vaccine for Dengue fever and they restrict that to certain populations because it's a rough one on kids. That makes a LOT more sense.

[UNI88]

You raise valid concerns but rfk jr swings the pendulum beyond balanced and unbiased in the other direction. He pushes his theory despite the lack of evidence backing it up.

Healthcare could benefit from being shaken up but is someone with their own biased agenda the right person to do it?

Here is a link to 222 research papers supporting a vaccine/autism link. None of them prove the link is real, but there's certainly enough correlation to warrant full testing. Right now, the establishment says it would be unethical to withhold vaccines from children. That is horseshit and shows why they needed to be tested in the first place before getting licensed.



Of interesting note, is that Covid was one of the very few to be tested against a true placebo and you remember what they did? They vaccinated the placebo arm around the four month mark for supposed ethical reasons. The infection fatality ratio of the participants was around 3.5 out of 10,000 would have died. That was a horseshit excuse as well. Now they don't have enough statistical power to say one way or the other if the vaccines harmed individuals. Hell, if you were in the Covid thread recently, you can see I posted a study in which they found people still producing the spike protein 2 years after injections. That simply cannot be good for a person.

The vaccine industry lacks proof to make their claims of safety as well. Look at the list. The vast majority of their vaccines were tested against other vaccines. What if it's the preservatives or the adjuvants causing the problems? You can't tell because both sides could have gotten the same harmful ingredient.

The only one on that list that got a long term safety study against a true placebo, was the vaccine for Dengue fever and they restrict that to certain populations because it's a rough one on kids. That makes a LOT more sense.

Thimerosal?

Thimerosal and Vaccines

After reviewing over 200 scientific studies that examined thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism, IOM concludes in a report that the studies “consistently provided evidence of no association between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism.”

Thimerosal was taken out of childhood vaccines in the United States in 2001.

[kalm]

Can’t…post…a…link.

Okay, so we can officially say you are uninformed. You oppose RFK and don't even understand his point. It's zero. None. You don't even remember RFK stating this and Fauci calling him a liar, only to have Fauci admit he was right when confronted with the truth.

Here is a nice summary of the vaccines taken from the official government data. The manufacturers were supposed to run long term studies on ALL of them, but for some reason, never did. This is what you oppose? True placebos in a long term safety study?

https://icandecide.org/wp-content/uploa ... 101823.pdf

Color me shocked. From Wiki. I can dig up other sources if you’d like. At the very least the group is biaesed and has an axe to grind.

Is ICAN the Conservative Treehouse and Heartland Ibstitute of anti-vaxxers?

The Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) is one of the main anti-vaccination groups in the United States. Founded in 2016 by Del Bigtree, it spreads misinformation about the risks of vaccines and contributes to vaccine hesitancy,[1][2][3] which has been identified by the World Health Organization as one of the top ten global health threats of 2019.[4][5] Arguments against vaccination are contradicted by overwhelming scientific consensus about the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.[6][7][8][9]

[kalm]

I went to an RFK lecture on the environment and River Keepers Org once. It was fantastic.

Because of my assorted health issues and restrictions, I share many of his concerns regarding processed foods and the typical American diet (It is in fact killing millions unnecessarily every year).

But it’s the cultish jumping on to EVERY single food and medical conspiracy fad that disqualifies him.

For Mikyla Page, keeping a three year-old daughter healthy is serious business. Before eating anything, the stay-at-home mom reads an ingredients list, staying away from artificial colors, flavors, dyes, and excess sugar. She doesn’t support vaccination, instead believing that “bathing in sunlight” will keep her family healthy, making sure her family gets outside every day to soak up vitamin D.

At first, Page felt alone in her choices. “You’re called crazy for even questioning the medical field,” she said. “My intuition was telling me one thing, but the world was telling me something else. My husband was like, ‘Are you sure this is where you want to go?’ I just went with my gut.”

Now, with Robert F Kennedy Jr tapped by Donald Trump to oversee the Department of Health and Human Services, Page, who is 26 and lives in Utah, feels vindicated.

Kennedy is well known for his history of pushing baseless health claims that sometimes veer into tinfoil hat territory – he’s said that chemicals in the water supply affect a child’s gender identity, and that Covid was “ethnically targeted” to spare Ashkenazi Jewish and Chinese people. He has also long advocated against vaccines, repeating the debunked claim made by the discredited British doctor Andrew Wakefield that the vaccines cause autism.


kennedy holds out phone with formally dressed group
Robert F Kennedy Jr takes a selfie with guests at Mar-a-Lago in November. Photograph: Joe Raedle/Getty Images
Kennedy’s supporters include an army of self-identified “crunchy moms” like Page, who are especially drawn to one proposal in particular: improving Americans’ diets and reeling in the processed food industry. In November, he accused major manufacturers of “poison[ing]” kids.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyl ... SApp_Other

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[kalm]

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[Bobcat]

Better than who has been controlling it for decades.

I will take the opinion of former vets and current military over some weak liberal cartoonist

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