The Ukraine Crisis

[SeattleGriz]

Foreign Aid.

Thats it, thats all I need to say. Its always been a slush fund in the guise of helping other nations. Its total bullshit and not one American tax dollar should ever go outside of our border EVER

We have about 800 military stations outside our border, dipshit

Damn Putin!!! He's warmongering because he doesn't have 800 stations.

[kalm]

Well those days are over. And its not profitable to the American people.

That's your opinion and you know what they say about opinions ...

IMO the world peace that the US helped to create and protect following WWII has increased trade, reduced unnecessary deaths, fostered (non-military) innovation, and ultimately led to a higher standard of living. Take it away and international conflict will increase leading to less of our goods getting sold overseas and an increase in the cost of goods we buy. 35-50 years of relative peace has been good for the American people as a whole.

This.

[BDKJMU]

Well those days are over. And its not profitable to the American people.

That's your opinion and you know what they say about opinions ...

IMO the world peace that the US helped to create and protect following WWII has increased trade, reduced unnecessary deaths, fostered (non-military) innovation, and ultimately led to a higher standard of living. Take it away and international conflict will increase leading to less of our goods getting sold overseas and an increase in the cost of goods we buy. 35-50 years of relative peace has been good for the American people as a whole.

Too bad. Elections have consequences.

[BDKJMU]

We have about 800 military stations outside our border, dipshit

Damn Putin!!! He's warmongering because he doesn't have 800 stations.

[UNI88]

That's your opinion and you know what they say about opinions ...

IMO the world peace that the US helped to create and protect following WWII has increased trade, reduced unnecessary deaths, fostered (non-military) innovation, and ultimately led to a higher standard of living. Take it away and international conflict will increase leading to less of our goods getting sold overseas and an increase in the cost of goods we buy. 35-50 years of relative peace has been good for the American people as a whole.

Too bad. Elections have consequences.

So fvck the American people.

I will give you credit, out of the MAQA yahoos on CS you seem to be the only one that understands that trump doesn't give 2 shits about us (the American people).

They do and we'll see how far trump goes and what it does to both parties chances in 2026 and 2028.

[BDKJMU]

Too bad. Elections have consequences.

So fvck the American people.

I will give you credit, out of the MAQA yahoos on CS you seem to be the only one that understands that trump doesn't give 2 shits about us (the American people).

They do and we'll see how far trump goes and what it does to both parties chances in 2026 and 2028.

You sound so butthurt.
And just the opposite. ‘So fvck the American people’. would be continuing to pump an endless supply of American tax dollars into an endless war in Ukraine.
America voted to end this.

[UNI88]

So fvck the American people.

I will give you credit, out of the MAQA yahoos on CS you seem to be the only one that understands that trump doesn't give 2 shits about us (the American people).

They do and we'll see how far trump goes and what it does to both parties chances in 2026 and 2028.

You sound so butthurt.
And just the opposite. ‘So fvck the American people’. would be continuing to pump an endless supply of American tax dollars into an endless war in Ukraine.
America voted to end this.

I'm old enough and have enough of a nest egg that I'll survive this just fine. I am worried about my kids' futures.

I explained why spending American tax dollars to foster world peace has been good for the American people. The standard of living of the American people will decline in a survival of the fittest, dog eat dog world where America doesn't just protect peace but actively undermines it.

49% of America voted to get rid of biden and his failed policies. The voted for change but I'm not sure they voted for everything trump is proposing.

[BDKJMU]

You sound so butthurt.
And just the opposite. ‘So fvck the American people’. would be continuing to pump an endless supply of American tax dollars into an endless war in Ukraine.
America voted to end this.

I'm old enough and have enough of a nest egg that I'll survive this just fine. I am worried about my kids' futures.

I explained why spending American tax dollars to foster world peace has been good for the American people. The standard of living of the American people will decline in a survival of the fittest, dog eat dog world where America doesn't just protect peace but actively undermines it.

49% of America voted to get rid of biden and his failed policies. The voted for change but I'm not sure they voted for everything trump is proposing.

America not continuing to pump am endless supply of $$$ into Ukraine isn’t something you need to worry about your kid’s future’s over.

A rapidly expanding 36 trillion debt exacerbated by:
-getting involved in foreign conflicts trying to play world’s policeman, including pumping an endless supply of $$$ into Ukraine
-subsidizing Europes social safety net/welfare state/single payer by paying for their defense as we have for going on 80 years
is something to worry about your kids’ future over. When that debt bubble bursts it isn’t going to be pretty.

[UNI88]

I'm old enough and have enough of a nest egg that I'll survive this just fine. I am worried about my kids' futures.

I explained why spending American tax dollars to foster world peace has been good for the American people. The standard of living of the American people will decline in a survival of the fittest, dog eat dog world where America doesn't just protect peace but actively undermines it.

49% of America voted to get rid of biden and his failed policies. The voted for change but I'm not sure they voted for everything trump is proposing.

America not continuing to pump am endless supply of $$$ into Ukraine isn’t something you need to worry about your kid’s future’s over.

A rapidly expanding 36 trillion debt (exacerbated by getting involved in foreign conflicts trying to play world’s policeman, including pumping an endless supply of $$$ into Ukraine) is something to worry about your kids’ future over.

Abruptly ending Ukrainian aid is not the answer. putin might roll over the nation killing millions and attempting to eradicate the Ukrainian identity and people. It could destabilize the region and cause problems around the world which would impact international trade and thus American security and prosperity.

What's the solution here? I think Russia is clearly in the wrong and are the aggressor. But I also think we screwed up royally by not being able to diplomatically prevent them from invading in the first place. How does this end? What does that look like? Keep funding Ukraine at the same levels until Russia is ejected from all of Ukraine, including the Crimean peninsula they stole 10 years ago? How long will that take? A year? 5 years? 50 years? Ever? What's the solution?

That said, Ganny's questions about the long term plans for Ukraine are ones that should be asked and answered. Peace is needed but we shouldn't try to force Ukraine to agree to a peace that they don't want to agree to and that doesn't provide some guarantee of their sovereignty. I think that involves membership in NATO but I'm open to other ideas.

I'm not worried about my kids future just because of Ukraine. I'm worried about the impact of trump's proposed policies. The proposed tariffs have the potential to send the economy spiraling. The possibility of stepping down as world's policeman might embolden ambitious world leaders over the Middle East (Gaza, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Persian Gulf), Taiwan, the South China Sea, etc. On top of that, I worry about the impact of US disregard and disrespect for our allies like Denmark/Greenland and Panama and what it means for peace and prosperity. I want my kids to live long, healthy lives and conflicts around the world make that less likely.

[Caribbean Hen]

America not continuing to pump am endless supply of $$$ into Ukraine isn’t something you need to worry about your kid’s future’s over.

A rapidly expanding 36 trillion debt (exacerbated by getting involved in foreign conflicts trying to play world’s policeman, including pumping an endless supply of $$$ into Ukraine) is something to worry about your kids’ future over.

Abruptly ending Ukrainian aid is not the answer. putin might roll over the nation killing millions and attempting to eradicate the Ukrainian identity and people. It could destabilize the region and cause problems around the world which would impact international trade and thus American security and prosperity.

What's the solution here? I think Russia is clearly in the wrong and are the aggressor. But I also think we screwed up royally by not being able to diplomatically prevent them from invading in the first place. How does this end? What does that look like? Keep funding Ukraine at the same levels until Russia is ejected from all of Ukraine, including the Crimean peninsula they stole 10 years ago? How long will that take? A year? 5 years? 50 years? Ever? What's the solution?

That said, Ganny's questions about the long term plans for Ukraine are ones that should be asked and answered. Peace is needed but we shouldn't try to force Ukraine to agree to a peace that they don't want to agree to and that doesn't provide some guarantee of their sovereignty. I think that involves membership in NATO but I'm open to other ideas.

I'm not worried about my kids future just because of Ukraine. I'm worried about the impact of trump's proposed policies. The proposed tariffs have the potential to send the economy spiraling. The possibility of stepping down as world's policeman might embolden ambitious world leaders over the Middle East (Gaza, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Persian Gulf), Taiwan, the South China Sea, etc. On top of that, I worry about the impact of US disregard and disrespect for our allies like Denmark/Greenland and Panama and what it means for peace and prosperity. I want my kids to live long, healthy lives and conflicts around the world make that less likely.

they were emboldened under Joey Rotten were they not? what a mess Trump is left with here

[UNI88]

Abruptly ending Ukrainian aid is not the answer. putin might roll over the nation killing millions and attempting to eradicate the Ukrainian identity and people. It could destabilize the region and cause problems around the world which would impact international trade and thus American security and prosperity.

That said, Ganny's questions about the long term plans for Ukraine are ones that should be asked and answered. Peace is needed but we shouldn't try to force Ukraine to agree to a peace that they don't want to agree to and that doesn't provide some guarantee of their sovereignty. I think that involves membership in NATO but I'm open to other ideas.

I'm not worried about my kids future just because of Ukraine. I'm worried about the impact of trump's proposed policies. The proposed tariffs have the potential to send the economy spiraling. The possibility of stepping down as world's policeman might embolden ambitious world leaders over the Middle East (Gaza, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Persian Gulf), Taiwan, the South China Sea, etc. On top of that, I worry about the impact of US disregard and disrespect for our allies like Denmark/Greenland and Panama and what it means for peace and prosperity. I want my kids to live long, healthy lives and conflicts around the world make that less likely.

they were emboldened under Joey Rotten were they not? what a mess Trump is left with here

What emboldens them more?
- a doddering old man fading into dementia, or
- a fan boi who loves him some brutal dictators?

[Bobcat]

Watch what a real man/leader does to these ass clowns. Trump isn't fucking around this time, he doesn't need to worry about getting re elected so he's gonna go scorched earth and you dry handjobs will cry about that too.

[GannonFan]

they were emboldened under Joey Rotten were they not? what a mess Trump is left with here

What emboldens them more?
- a doddering old man fading into dementia, or
- a fan boi who loves him some brutal dictators?

Well, given that we had examples of both, I think it's pretty clear the doddering dementia approach was more responsible for emboldening those forces. There are more than two approaches, and Trump's way has its own negatives, but Biden's way was borderline disastrous.

[houndawg]

You sound so butthurt.
And just the opposite. ‘So fvck the American people’. would be continuing to pump an endless supply of American tax dollars into an endless war in Ukraine.
America voted to end this.

I'm old enough and have enough of a nest egg that I'll survive this just fine. I am worried about my kids' futures.

I explained why spending American tax dollars to foster world peace has been good for the American people. The standard of living of the American people will decline in a survival of the fittest, dog eat dog world where America doesn't just protect peace but actively undermines it.

49% of America voted to get rid of biden and his failed policies. The voted for change but I'm not sure they voted for everything trump is proposing.

Exactly why we won't sell the farm and move to town. One of my grandsons will rolling on a 1960 Massey-Ferguson 35 Deluxe wit the Perkins diesel.

[houndawg]

Watch what a real man/leader does to these ass clowns. Trump isn't fucking around this time, he doesn't need to worry about getting re elected so he's gonna go scorched earth and you dry handjobs will cry about that too.

He's a lame duck spewing his usual flatulence, verbal and otherwise. When all is said and done much more will be said than done. This is going to be hilarious - starting today with the FOP and Police Chief's union changing their minds about his pardon of those who were Blacking the Blue. Fucking union commies, I hope he turns the military loose on them

[UNI88]

What emboldens them more?
- a doddering old man fading into dementia, or
- a fan boi who loves him some brutal dictators?

Well, given that we had examples of both, I think it's pretty clear the doddering dementia approach was more responsible for emboldening those forces. There are more than two approaches, and Trump's way has its own negatives, but Biden's way was borderline disastrous.

I agree that the doddering dementia approach was more responsible for emboldening those forces than trump 1.0.

Going forward, I'm worried that trump 2.0 might be more willing to openly demonstrate his fan boi love for brutal dictators by ending aid for their victims, pulling the US away from NATO and even following through on his threats to Greenland and Panama.

[Bobcat]

We can hope, that is why Trump got elected

[Caribbean Hen]

they were emboldened under Joey Rotten were they not? what a mess Trump is left with here

What emboldens them more?
- a doddering old man fading into dementia, or
- a fan boi who loves him some brutal dictators?

well based on what happened when Biden took over for Trump what more do you need to see...

[UNI88]

What emboldens them more?
- a doddering old man fading into dementia, or
- a fan boi who loves him some brutal dictators?

well based on what happened when Biden took over for Trump what more do you need to see...

I agree that the doddering dementia approach was more responsible for emboldening those forces than trump 1.0.

Going forward, I'm worried that trump 2.0 might be more willing to openly demonstrate his fan boi love for brutal dictators by ending aid for their victims, pulling the US away from NATO and even following through on his threats to Greenland and Panama.

[Caribbean Hen]

https://x.com/nickveniamin/status/18821 ... 16492?s=42

Whoa omg

[SeattleGriz]

Well, given that we had examples of both, I think it's pretty clear the doddering dementia approach was more responsible for emboldening those forces. There are more than two approaches, and Trump's way has its own negatives, but Biden's way was borderline disastrous.

I agree that the doddering dementia approach was more responsible for emboldening those forces than trump 1.0.

Going forward, I'm worried that trump 2.0 might be more willing to openly demonstrate his fan boi love for brutal dictators by ending aid for their victims, pulling the US away from NATO and even following through on his threats to Greenland and Panama.

What I am reading is Trump has surrounded himself with a LOT of the same Neocon retards that fomented this war and has given Putin pretty much an ultimatum that he will keep up the sanctions, etc. Problem is Putin has already won this war and he knows the US cannot be trusted. He holds all the cards. Trump will probably keep up with the same support level as Biden and then eventually stop and tell Europe they are on the hook now.

Biden left an unwinnable mess.

[Caribbean Hen]

Putin wants Tony Fauchi extricated to Russia to stand trial for crimes against humanity and if that happens, the war is over

They should raid his house and send him today

[Caribbean Hen]

well based on what happened when Biden took over for Trump what more do you need to see...

I agree that the doddering dementia approach was more responsible for emboldening those forces than trump 1.0.

Going forward, I'm worried that trump 2.0 might be more willing to openly demonstrate his fan boi love for brutal dictators by ending aid for their victims, pulling the US away from NATO and even following through on his threats to Greenland and Panama.

Are you worried about the national debt? The deficit Will affect your grandchildren more so than anything Trump does

Greenland and Panama? Trump is trying to secure this countries future so Americans can continue to live a spoiled life for another hundred years. Do you think Russia and/or China should have it? If We keep sitting on our hands thinking the world doesn’t want to take us out they certainly will

[UNI88]

Are you worried about the national debt? The deficit Will affect your grandchildren more so than anything Trump does

Greenland and Panama? Trump is trying to secure this countries future so Americans can continue to live a spoiled life for another hundred years. Do you think Russia and/or China should have it? If We keep sitting on our hands thinking the world doesn’t want to take us out they certainly will

Yes, I'm worried about the national debt but I have no faith in trump doing anything to really improve it.
- trump 0.1: 19.9 to 27.7 trillion is a 39.2% increase in 4 years
- biden: 27.7 to 36.4 trillion is a 31.4% increase in 4 years

Denmark and Panama are allies. You don't take territory from your allies. If Greenland and Panama are vital to our national defense then we work with them to utilize and defend their territory. America is supposed to be the shining light on the hill not the evil bully waiting in the dark alley.

[Caribbean Hen]

Are you worried about the national debt? The deficit Will affect your grandchildren more so than anything Trump does

Greenland and Panama? Trump is trying to secure this countries future so Americans can continue to live a spoiled life for another hundred years. Do you think Russia and/or China should have it? If We keep sitting on our hands thinking the world doesn’t want to take us out they certainly will

Yes, I'm worried about the national debt but I have no faith in trump doing anything to really improve it.
- trump 0.1: 19.9 to 27.7 trillion is a 39.2% increase in 4 years
- biden: 27.7 to 36.4 trillion is a 31.4% increase in 4 years

Denmark and Panama are allies. You don't take territory from your allies. If Greenland and Panama are vital to our national defense then we work with them to utilize and defend their territory. America is supposed to be the shining light on the hill not the evil bully waiting in the dark alley.

by the establishment of DOGE, the Trump administration has at least recognized the national debt as a problem. JoBozo and his mindless pack would never do that.