When the law and constitution are not on your side…fire them! Classic self own.

Jesus dude. Get a grip. Lower level judges do not have the ability to shut down Executive branch decisions. Only the Supreme Court has that power.
Where did you get your understanding of the constitution from, the toilet store?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:14 amJesus dude. Get a grip. Lower level judges do not have the ability to shut down Executive branch decisions. Only the Supreme Court has that power.
Be better. Stop repeating Maddow and do some independent reading.
https://www.opb.org/article/2025/02/13/ ... ce-hiring/“The Bonneville Power Administration could lose nearly 20% of its workforce because of President Donald Trump’s efforts to shrink the federal government, according to agency figures released Thursday and interviews with staff. That’s raising concerns among current and former employees about the agency’s ability to ensure the reliability of the region’s electrical grid.
About 200 of the agency’s more than 3,000 employees have accepted the Trump administration’s offer to resign and receive eight months of severance pay, which the administration sent via an email with the subject line “Fork in the Road.”
BPA administrator John Hairston announced that number Thursday during the agency’s quarterly outlook presentation. An additional 90 job offers at BPA were rescinded as a result of the administration’s freeze on federal hiring. Chief financial officer is among the open positions held up by the hiring freeze.
Current and former BPA staff anticipate another 350 to 400 probationary employees could be cut — though one current employee said agency leadership have fought to keep that number below 150. E&E News reported Thursday that the Department of Energy planned to lay off most or all of its probationary employees.
The employees taking the buyout include linemen, engineers, substation operators and power dispatchers — positions that take years of apprenticeship to learn
“While the number of people leaving is a concern, the real problem is who is leaving,” one BPA employee said. “We have several mission critical employees with decades of institutional knowledge who have accepted the offer.”
The BPA employees OPB spoke to said it would be unlikely the agency could strengthen and expand the grid as promised.“No way, we’ll be in damage control and literally trying to keep the lights on,” one transmission employee said. While employees are already dealing with limited resources and increasingly extreme weather, wildfires and rapid increases in electricity demand, this person said, “Having one hand tied behind our back means putting the communities we serve at risk.”
As someone who deals with BPA's counterpart WAPA I can tell you there is a lot of waste to cut. Also all of this is insiders whining anonymously. It will be fine.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:40 am The hits keep on coming. This one close to home here in the Great PNW. They don’t understand what they’re cutting. Weeeeeee!
PNW power grid jeopardized
This one hits close to home for many of us.
https://www.opb.org/article/2025/02/13/ ... ce-hiring/“The Bonneville Power Administration could lose nearly 20% of its workforce because of President Donald Trump’s efforts to shrink the federal government, according to agency figures released Thursday and interviews with staff. That’s raising concerns among current and former employees about the agency’s ability to ensure the reliability of the region’s electrical grid.
About 200 of the agency’s more than 3,000 employees have accepted the Trump administration’s offer to resign and receive eight months of severance pay, which the administration sent via an email with the subject line “Fork in the Road.”
BPA administrator John Hairston announced that number Thursday during the agency’s quarterly outlook presentation. An additional 90 job offers at BPA were rescinded as a result of the administration’s freeze on federal hiring. Chief financial officer is among the open positions held up by the hiring freeze.
Current and former BPA staff anticipate another 350 to 400 probationary employees could be cut — though one current employee said agency leadership have fought to keep that number below 150. E&E News reported Thursday that the Department of Energy planned to lay off most or all of its probationary employees.
The employees taking the buyout include linemen, engineers, substation operators and power dispatchers — positions that take years of apprenticeship to learn
“While the number of people leaving is a concern, the real problem is who is leaving,” one BPA employee said. “We have several mission critical employees with decades of institutional knowledge who have accepted the offer.”
The BPA employees OPB spoke to said it would be unlikely the agency could strengthen and expand the grid as promised.“No way, we’ll be in damage control and literally trying to keep the lights on,” one transmission employee said. While employees are already dealing with limited resources and increasingly extreme weather, wildfires and rapid increases in electricity demand, this person said, “Having one hand tied behind our back means putting the communities we serve at risk.”
Fair. There’s waste everywhere but there’s also a tipping point where you start to see real life consequences, no? What is that tipping point?HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:52 amAs someone who deals with BPA's counterpart WAPA I can tell you there is a lot of waste to cut. Also all of this is insiders whining anonymously. It will be fine.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:40 am The hits keep on coming. This one close to home here in the Great PNW. They don’t understand what they’re cutting. Weeeeeee!
PNW power grid jeopardized
This one hits close to home for many of us.
https://www.opb.org/article/2025/02/13/ ... ce-hiring/
And you can thank federal employee unions for this. Instead of being able to use a scalpel they have to use a meat cleaver.
If 50% of the staff leaves I'd start to get concerned. And without more specific details about exactly what staff is leaving it's all speculation.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:04 amFair. There’s waste everywhere but there’s also a tipping point where you start to see real life consequences, no? What is that tipping point?HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:52 am
As someone who deals with BPA's counterpart WAPA I can tell you there is a lot of waste to cut. Also all of this is insiders whining anonymously. It will be fine.
And you can thank federal employee unions for this. Instead of being able to use a scalpel they have to use a meat cleaver.
Also, BPA is self funded. It receives no congressional appropriations and recovers costs through its rates. BPA was a strategic asset in WWII powering the aluminum industry in support of ship and plane factories. It now services a massive Ag industry which feeds the world. And again… it’s self-funded.
Hardly seems to be a worthy target unless they don’t what the fuck their cutting or the consequences of their burn it all down strategy. And/or their aim is to fully privatize it for profit.
But you said it's "apples to oranges" comparing business to federal government ...
Come'on Morty, make up your mind.
Yes, they do. Cases don't make it to the Supreme Court unless they're started in a lower court. Judges frequently put a hold on things pending resolution of a case. This is how the system is supposed to work.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:14 amJesus dude. Get a grip. Lower level judges do not have the ability to shut down Executive branch decisions. Only the Supreme Court has that power.
Be better. Stop repeating Maddow and do some independent reading.
So 50% is the number? Not 65% or %30? Is this true of all agencies, public or private?HI54UNI wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:28 amIf 50% of the staff leaves I'd start to get concerned. And without more specific details about exactly what staff is leaving it's all speculation.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:04 am
Fair. There’s waste everywhere but there’s also a tipping point where you start to see real life consequences, no? What is that tipping point?
Also, BPA is self funded. It receives no congressional appropriations and recovers costs through its rates. BPA was a strategic asset in WWII powering the aluminum industry in support of ship and plane factories. It now services a massive Ag industry which feeds the world. And again… it’s self-funded.
Hardly seems to be a worthy target unless they don’t what the fuck their cutting or the consequences of their burn it all down strategy. And/or their aim is to fully privatize it for profit.
And BPA is self funded but it does borrow from the Treasury so part of our national debt is BPA.
And all of the PMAs should be sold off. Sell them to the customers/public power agencies that buy power from them so they can control them and operate them in the best manner. Get the Feds out of it.
Where do you think these TROs are headed? Lower level judges do not have the power to rule for the whole US. Supreme Court baby. These decisions by lower level judges were not thought out well and it's going to look very bad for them.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:22 amWhere did you get your understanding of the constitution from, the toilet store?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:14 am
Jesus dude. Get a grip. Lower level judges do not have the ability to shut down Executive branch decisions. Only the Supreme Court has that power.
Be better. Stop repeating Maddow and do some independent reading.
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Pay attention. Lower court judges don't have the authority to shut down the whole US. It's going to the Supreme Court, you wait. That was my point. Left has abused it for years.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:35 amYes, they do. Cases don't make it to the Supreme Court unless they're started in a lower court. Judges frequently put a hold on things pending resolution of a case. This is how the system is supposed to work.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:14 am
Jesus dude. Get a grip. Lower level judges do not have the ability to shut down Executive branch decisions. Only the Supreme Court has that power.
Be better. Stop repeating Maddow and do some independent reading.
trump used the process to his advantage for the federal indictments. It's ironic that he and his MAQA yahoos are whining like bitches that it's being used against them now.
How many judges have "shut down the whole US"? ZERO. The whole US has NOT been shut down.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:08 amPay attention. Lower court judges don't have the authority to shut down the whole US. It's going to the Supreme Court, you wait. That was my point. Left has abused it for years.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 10:35 am
Yes, they do. Cases don't make it to the Supreme Court unless they're started in a lower court. Judges frequently put a hold on things pending resolution of a case. This is how the system is supposed to work.
trump used the process to his advantage for the federal indictments. It's ironic that he and his MAQA yahoos are whining like bitches that it's being used against them now.
SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:07 amWhere do you think these TROs are headed? Lower level judges do not have the power to rule for the whole US. Supreme Court baby. These decisions by lower level judges were not thought out well and it's going to look very bad for them.
On a separate note, congress is on board so they can do their stuff to stop the nonsense you support.
Ha! Says the guy who was fine with Biden ignoring the Supreme Court on student loans. Funny how your compass switched so quickly.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:34 amSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:07 am
Where do you think these TROs are headed? Lower level judges do not have the power to rule for the whole US. Supreme Court baby. These decisions by lower level judges were not thought out well and it's going to look very bad for them.
On a separate note, congress is on board so they can do their stuff to stop the nonsense you support.![]()
So there’s a whole process that involves the lower courts too. Excellent!
I’m sorry you have a problem with me supporting the rule of law. This is why democracy is a bad thing in your googly eyed adoration of the leader. There are already rumblings from the right that the constitution is up next for attack. As any good patriot would support…
If a local judge wants to have their TRO enforced, then they can speak for their locale. Outside that, don't get to peanut butter spread that across the nation and force the Executive branch to run it up to the Supreme Court for every locally issued TRO. That's absurd.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:21 amHow many judges have "shut down the whole US"? ZERO. The whole US has NOT been shut down.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:08 am
Pay attention. Lower court judges don't have the authority to shut down the whole US. It's going to the Supreme Court, you wait. That was my point. Left has abused it for years.
They found enougn to temporarily block the President's action until the case could be heard and ruled on and appealed as far as either party wants to take it. It's fine if that's the Supreme Court. That's how the system is supposed to work.
Calm down before you get the vapors, Margaret.
Ha! Says the guy who was fine with Republican attorney generals doing the same thing against biden administration policies. Funny how your compass switched so quickly.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:51 amIf a local judge wants to have their TRO enforced, then they can speak for their locale. Outside that, don't get to peanut butter spread that across the nation and force the Executive branch to run it up to the Supreme Court for every locally issued TRO. That's absurd.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:21 am
How many judges have "shut down the whole US"? ZERO. The whole US has NOT been shut down.
They found enougn to temporarily block the President's action until the case could be heard and ruled on and appealed as far as either party wants to take it. It's fine if that's the Supreme Court. That's how the system is supposed to work.
Calm down before you get the vapors, Margaret.
Klam cheerleads the economic destruction of the USA on one hand but spills alligator tears for Granny and her lower social security checkSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:49 amHa! Says the guy who was fine with Biden ignoring the Supreme Court on student loans. Funny how your compass switched so quickly.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:34 am
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So there’s a whole process that involves the lower courts too. Excellent!
I’m sorry you have a problem with me supporting the rule of law. This is why democracy is a bad thing in your googly eyed adoration of the leader. There are already rumblings from the right that the constitution is up next for attack. As any good patriot would support…
Orban was great on illegal immigration. Kept Hungary for Hungarians.
..peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard..
I’m not sure I ever said it was fine. I did support student loan forgiveness though.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:49 amHa! Says the guy who was fine with Biden ignoring the Supreme Court on student loans. Funny how your compass switched so quickly.kalm wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:34 am
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So there’s a whole process that involves the lower courts too. Excellent!
I’m sorry you have a problem with me supporting the rule of law. This is why democracy is a bad thing in your googly eyed adoration of the leader. There are already rumblings from the right that the constitution is up next for attack. As any good patriot would support…
Was he also great on taking over the media and courts?
Ha!Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 12:08 pmKlam cheerleads the economic destruction of the USA on one hand but spills alligator tears for Granny and her lower social security checkSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:49 am
Ha! Says the guy who was fine with Biden ignoring the Supreme Court on student loans. Funny how your compass switched so quickly.
What policies did Republican AG's block?UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 12:01 pmHa! Says the guy who was fine with Republican attorney generals doing the same thing against biden administration policies. Funny how your compass switched so quickly.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 11:51 am
If a local judge wants to have their TRO enforced, then they can speak for their locale. Outside that, don't get to peanut butter spread that across the nation and force the Executive branch to run it up to the Supreme Court for every locally issued TRO. That's absurd.
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