Would it be fair to say that Insurrection Barbie (and BDK0 was only approximately 27.5% right?GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 7:33 amGotta be careful with that narrative. Sure, historically speaking, the initial effort by the North was to preserve the Union, but that shifted as the war went on, especially after the Emancipation Proclamation (1/1/1863), and after almost 200k Black soliders (at least 10% of the Union forces) fought for the North. The ending of slavery certainly became a primary objective of the war, as evidenced by the significance it played in the 1864 election, the passage of the 13th amendment in January of 1865, and even Lincoln's refusal to accept the South's terms at the Hampton Roads Conference. Preserving the Union was clearly the initial mission, but that either shifted or got added to as the war waged on.UNI88 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 11, 2025 5:34 pm
Insurrection Barbie is spreading FAKE NEWS.
The US was not even one of the first countries in the Western Hemisphere to abolish slavery.
600,000 soldiers DID NOT die to abolish slavery. Roughly 60% of them died to preserve the union. The abolishment of slavery was a byproduct of that effort not the objective. The other roughly 40% died trying to destroy the union.
S/he made 2 points:
- US was one of first countries to ban slavery - (0% on 50% of the points made)
- 600,000 soldiers died to end slavery - 60% of them were fighting for the north (15% right - 60% on 25% of the points made) and ending slavery was not the catalyst for the war nor was it the only reason for it (12.5% right - 50% on 25% of the points made).
If a liberal is 90% right, BDK wants to reject their entire argument over the 10% wrong. It's more than fair for me to reject his and Insurrection Barbie's logic when s/he was approximately 72.5% wrong.
