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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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BDKJMU wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 10:02 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:30 pm No suit, no lunch, no respect: Zelenskyy-Trump feud started with a fashion dig

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Did brian glenn ask musk why he didn't wear a suit? Hypocrite much MAQA yahoos?
:dunce: that you can’t see that it’s not even a comparable situation. Stupid much TDSers?
Are the situations different? Yes. Are they comparable though? Yes.

It's the Oval Office of the President of the United States of America. If you expect a foreign dignitary to follow western standards of dress then you should expect a presidential advisor to do the same.

Why didn't trump and MAQA yahoos get upset at Prime Minister Modi ...
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Or President Buhari ...
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There are probably others. trump's and MAQA yahoo outrage is manufactured.
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kalm wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 9:55 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 9:46 am

Jake Sullivan... wrong on everything
Can’t stand Sullivan nor Biden’s Nat. Sec. team in general. And you cited failed policy from the 90’s.

That’s all you got? Try again.
good, we agree on something. Joey's team was incredibly dumb, and my bigger point is that that've been dumb for decades now
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Such disrespect! What kind of ingrate wears a trucker hat to the oval office? And where is his suit? Was he kicked out for disrespect?
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 10:02 am
kalm wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 9:55 am

Can’t stand Sullivan nor Biden’s Nat. Sec. team in general. And you cited failed policy from the 90’s.

That’s all you got? Try again.
good, we agree on something. Joey's team was incredibly dumb, and my bigger point is that that've been dumb for decades now
Same goes for the current team. It’s as though there’s a trend here. Remember, Marco was a devout neo-con until a year or so ago.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:38 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:30 pm

Once again, very slowly. Your line of thinking is wrong. The American people voted out this uninformed neocon view. Go back to shoving green beans up your nose. Child.

Remember when you weren't interested in any of that when Putin offered peace deals before and right after the start of the SMO? Why weren't you talking then? Exactly. Sit down and be quiet. Child.
Still ducking my questions. Stop being a pussy.
Stop being an idiot and asking such asinine questions. How about the security agreement of not losing all of your country? Zelensky has zero negotiating power. He already turned down two peace agreement and now is in much worse negotiating shape.

This is what you supported all the while Biden was President. To come in, after we all know unelected officials were running this war and to complain about Trump simply trying to get them to the table is the height of idiocy. You were for dead bodies because the blood wasn't related to you. You have no leg to stand on.

Let's hear your solution Mr Negotiator.
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:02 am
UNI88 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 5:38 pm
Still ducking my questions. Stop being a pussy.
Stop being an idiot and asking such asinine questions. How about the security agreement of not losing all of your country? Zelensky has zero negotiating power. He already turned down two peace agreement and now is in much worse negotiating shape.

This is what you supported all the while Biden was President. To come in, after we all know unelected officials were running this war and to complain about Trump simply trying to get them to the table is the height of idiocy. You were for dead bodies because the blood wasn't related to you. You have no leg to stand on.

Let's hear your solution Mr Negotiator.
My asking "are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years?" and "are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?" is no more asinine then CH asking if "they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?"

These are reasonable questions that you should be able to answer:
  • Do you expect Ukraine to just capitulate and give the territory russia currently holds plus possibly more without security guarantees?
  • Do you think such a peace with putin will last? How and why without security guarantees? (kind of an important thing to understand if you want the "the security agreement of not losing all of your country"
It's fine if you want to be a pussy and continue to duck them, just don't be a hypocrite and expect me to answer your "questions" in the future.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:27 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:02 am

Stop being an idiot and asking such asinine questions. How about the security agreement of not losing all of your country? Zelensky has zero negotiating power. He already turned down two peace agreement and now is in much worse negotiating shape.

This is what you supported all the while Biden was President. To come in, after we all know unelected officials were running this war and to complain about Trump simply trying to get them to the table is the height of idiocy. You were for dead bodies because the blood wasn't related to you. You have no leg to stand on.

Let's hear your solution Mr Negotiator.
My asking "are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years?" and "are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?" is no more asinine then CH asking if "they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?"

These are reasonable questions that you should be able to answer:
- Do you expect Ukraine to just capitulate and give the territory russia currently holds plus possibly more without security guarantees?
- Do you think such a peace with putin will last? How and why without security guarantees?

It's fine if you want to be a pussy and continue to duck them, just don't be a hypocrite and ask me to answer your "questions" in the future.
Funding Zelensky for another decade, or even another year, is a lose lose

It would lead to the complete destruction of The Ukraine … they should work with Donald Trump before the lose everything. It’s a tough pill to swallow for them but it’s just the reality of the situation
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:35 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:27 am
My asking "are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years?" and "are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?" is no more asinine then CH asking if "they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?"

These are reasonable questions that you should be able to answer:
- Do you expect Ukraine to just capitulate and give the territory russia currently holds plus possibly more without security guarantees?
- Do you think such a peace with putin will last? How and why without security guarantees?

It's fine if you want to be a pussy and continue to duck them, just don't be a hypocrite and ask me to answer your "questions" in the future.
Funding Zelensky for another decade, or even another year, is a lose lose

It would lead to the complete destruction of The Ukraine … they should work with Donald Trump before the lose everything. It’s a tough pill to swallow for them but it’s just the reality of the situation
CH and SG sitting in a tree,
D-U-C-K-I-N-G the questions.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:27 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:02 am

Stop being an idiot and asking such asinine questions. How about the security agreement of not losing all of your country? Zelensky has zero negotiating power. He already turned down two peace agreement and now is in much worse negotiating shape.

This is what you supported all the while Biden was President. To come in, after we all know unelected officials were running this war and to complain about Trump simply trying to get them to the table is the height of idiocy. You were for dead bodies because the blood wasn't related to you. You have no leg to stand on.

Let's hear your solution Mr Negotiator.
My asking "are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years?" and "are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?" is no more asinine then CH asking if "they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?"

These are reasonable questions that you should be able to answer:
  • Do you expect Ukraine to just capitulate and give the territory russia currently holds plus possibly more without security guarantees?
  • Do you think such a peace with putin will last? How and why without security guarantees? (kind of an important thing to understand if you want the "the security agreement of not losing all of your country"
It's fine if you want to be a pussy and continue to duck them, just don't be a hypocrite and expect me to answer your "questions" in the future.
:rofl: Bitch please. You never answer shit, you just keep throwing stupid questions up and then act all fauxfended when their pointed out as being intellectually lazy...meaning they are no different than left MSM talking points.

I do expect Ukraine to agree that land is lost. They were only bombing the Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens there anyway.

If Ukraine agrees to neutrality and no appreciable threatening military, then yes Putin will abide. He needs to get his resources through Ukraine and into W Europe.

Once again. Putin offered this deal before and after the SMO started and both times it was shot down by the UK, Biden and Zelensky.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:40 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:27 am
My asking "are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years?" and "are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?" is no more asinine then CH asking if "they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?"

These are reasonable questions that you should be able to answer:
  • Do you expect Ukraine to just capitulate and give the territory russia currently holds plus possibly more without security guarantees?
  • Do you think such a peace with putin will last? How and why without security guarantees? (kind of an important thing to understand if you want the "the security agreement of not losing all of your country"
It's fine if you want to be a pussy and continue to duck them, just don't be a hypocrite and expect me to answer your "questions" in the future.
:rofl: Bitch please. You never answer shit, you just keep throwing stupid questions up and then act all fauxfended when their pointed out as being intellectually lazy...meaning they are no different than left MSM talking points.

I do expect Ukraine to agree that land is lost. They were only bombing the Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens there anyway.

If Ukraine agrees to neutrality and no appreciable threatening military, then yes Putin will abide. He needs to get his resources through Ukraine and into W Europe.

Once again. Putin offered this deal before and after the SMO started and both times it was shot down by the UK, Biden and Zelensky.
Fauxfended is what trump, vance and MAQA yahoos were after the Oval Office meeting with Zelensky.

Intellectually lazy is reading about Ukraine (or anything) on a MAQA yahoo echo chamber and believing the biased talking points lock, stock and barrel.

I would guess that Zelensky is willing to give up land already lost if there are security guarantees. No security guarantees, no deal, no mineral rights.

putin can get russian resources through Ukraine if he controls the entire country. He would also be able to use food supplies from "the breadbasket of Europe" as additional leverage if he controls Ukraine.

The longer this war lasts, the less dependent on russian "resources" Europe gets.

I don't blame Zelensky or Ukraine for not trusting putin and russia without security guarantees. And I don;'t blame European nations for not trusting putin.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 8:30 pm No suit, no lunch, no respect: Zelenskyy-Trump feud started with a fashion dig
Outfitted in a black sweatshirt featuring an embroidered Ukrainian trident, black slacks and boots, he was substantially underdressed in comparison to Trump, who was wearing a suit and tie.

“You’re all dressed up today,” Trump said sarcastically.

President Donald Trump and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy got into a heated exchange during their meeting in the Oval Office.
It all quickly went downhill from there.
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During his tête-à-tête with Trump in the Oval Office, Brian Glenn, White House correspondent for the pro-Trump network Real America’s Voice, asked Zelenskyy why he was not wearing a suit while visiting the “highest level” office in the country.

“Why don’t you wear a suit?,” he said. “A lot of Americans have problems with you not respecting the office.”
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Did brian glenn ask musk why he didn't wear a suit? Hypocrite much MAQA yahoos?

And here we have a photo of a man without a suit meeting a suit without a man. :coffee:
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:40 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:27 am

My asking "are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years?" and "are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?" is no more asinine then CH asking if "they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?"

These are reasonable questions that you should be able to answer:
  • Do you expect Ukraine to just capitulate and give the territory russia currently holds plus possibly more without security guarantees?
  • Do you think such a peace with putin will last? How and why without security guarantees? (kind of an important thing to understand if you want the "the security agreement of not losing all of your country"
It's fine if you want to be a pussy and continue to duck them, just don't be a hypocrite and expect me to answer your "questions" in the future.
:rofl: Bitch please. You never answer shit, you just keep throwing stupid questions up and then act all fauxfended when their pointed out as being intellectually lazy...meaning they are no different than left MSM talking points.

I do expect Ukraine to agree that land is lost. They were only bombing the Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens there anyway.

If Ukraine agrees to neutrality and no appreciable threatening military, then yes Putin will abide. He needs to get his resources through Ukraine and into W Europe.

Once again. Putin offered this deal before and after the SMO started and both times it was shot down by the UK, Biden and Zelensky.
What a fucking halfwit. Russia's word is garbage and the entire world knows it. They've already reneged twice, in 2014 and back when they guaranteed Ukraines security in exchange for Ukraine surrendering the world's third largest stockpiule of nukes. NATO could set Russia's North Korean staffed army back 50 years in two weeks. Putin will stop when somebody stops him.
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houndawg wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:09 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:40 am

:rofl: Bitch please. You never answer shit, you just keep throwing stupid questions up and then act all fauxfended when their pointed out as being intellectually lazy...meaning they are no different than left MSM talking points.

I do expect Ukraine to agree that land is lost. They were only bombing the Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens there anyway.

If Ukraine agrees to neutrality and no appreciable threatening military, then yes Putin will abide. He needs to get his resources through Ukraine and into W Europe.

Once again. Putin offered this deal before and after the SMO started and both times it was shot down by the UK, Biden and Zelensky.
What a fucking halfwit. Russia's word is garbage and the entire world knows it. They've already reneged twice, in 2014 and back when they guaranteed Ukraines security in exchange for Ukraine surrendering the world's third largest stockpiule of nukes. NATO could set Russia's North Korean staffed army back 50 years in two weeks. Putin will stop when somebody stops him.
Your fearmongering narrative is right out of some federal employee's cubicle who started on this project 30 years ago and has been wrong every time
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:16 pm
houndawg wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:09 pm
What a fucking halfwit. Russia's word is garbage and the entire world knows it. They've already reneged twice, in 2014 and back when they guaranteed Ukraines security in exchange for Ukraine surrendering the world's third largest stockpiule of nukes. NATO could set Russia's North Korean staffed army back 50 years in two weeks. Putin will stop when somebody stops him.
Your fearmongering narrative is right out of some federal employee's cubicle who started on this project 30 years ago and has been wrong every time
What do you base this opinion on? Why should Zelensky, Europe or any other nation trust putin to "abide" without security guarantees?

I'd like to hear an answer with substance not trite word play. I'm willing to wait if you can't think of anything on your own and need time to dig around a MAQA yahoo echo chamber to find such an answer. :coffee:
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 12:48 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:40 am

:rofl: Bitch please. You never answer shit, you just keep throwing stupid questions up and then act all fauxfended when their pointed out as being intellectually lazy...meaning they are no different than left MSM talking points.

I do expect Ukraine to agree that land is lost. They were only bombing the Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens there anyway.

If Ukraine agrees to neutrality and no appreciable threatening military, then yes Putin will abide. He needs to get his resources through Ukraine and into W Europe.

Once again. Putin offered this deal before and after the SMO started and both times it was shot down by the UK, Biden and Zelensky.
Fauxfended is what trump, vance and MAQA yahoos were after the Oval Office meeting with Zelensky.

Intellectually lazy is reading about Ukraine (or anything) on a MAQA yahoo echo chamber and believing the biased talking points lock, stock and barrel.

I would guess that Zelensky is willing to give up land already lost if there are security guarantees. No security guarantees, no deal, no mineral rights.

putin can get russian resources through Ukraine if he controls the entire country. He would also be able to use food supplies from "the breadbasket of Europe" as additional leverage if he controls Ukraine.

The longer this war lasts, the less dependent on russian "resources" Europe gets.

I don't blame Zelensky or Ukraine for not trusting putin and russia without security guarantees. And I don;'t blame European nations for not trusting putin.
Why would Putin risk having to get shit through a territory he would have to military control? Keep the Russian speaking parts he already controls, for they were just being ethnically cleansed anyway, but that never mattered to you.

Yes Europe loves paying 4x the amount for energy, especially Germany.
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houndawg wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:09 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 11:40 am

:rofl: Bitch please. You never answer shit, you just keep throwing stupid questions up and then act all fauxfended when their pointed out as being intellectually lazy...meaning they are no different than left MSM talking points.

I do expect Ukraine to agree that land is lost. They were only bombing the Russian speaking Ukrainian citizens there anyway.

If Ukraine agrees to neutrality and no appreciable threatening military, then yes Putin will abide. He needs to get his resources through Ukraine and into W Europe.

Once again. Putin offered this deal before and after the SMO started and both times it was shot down by the UK, Biden and Zelensky.
What a fucking halfwit. Russia's word is garbage and the entire world knows it. They've already reneged twice, in 2014 and back when they guaranteed Ukraines security in exchange for Ukraine surrendering the world's third largest stockpiule of nukes. NATO could set Russia's North Korean staffed army back 50 years in two weeks. Putin will stop when somebody stops him.
Bitch #2 please! The Budapest memorandum was stomped all over by the US for years before Russia ignored it. Ask Belarus how the Budapest memorandum went for them. How about the Maidan Coup? How are either of those instances assuring the countries they would not be harmed economically or physically. Also Ukraine couldn't do fucking shit with the nukes other than corruptly selling on the black market. Don't act like it was magnanimous gesture by Ukraine.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:24 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 1:16 pm

Your fearmongering narrative is right out of some federal employee's cubicle who started on this project 30 years ago and has been wrong every time
What do you base this opinion on? Why should Zelensky, Europe or any other nation trust putin to "abide" without security guarantees?

I'd like to hear an answer with substance not trite word play. I'm willing to wait if you can't think of anything on your own and need time to dig around a MAQA yahoo echo chamber to find such an answer. :coffee:
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The free world needs a new leader!

Is this what MAQA yahoos were talking about when they said the US would be respected again under trump?

Is she wrong? If trump is siding with russia (and by default north korea, china, iran, etc.) against the free world then he has abdicated the President's role as leader of the free world.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:38 pm

The free world needs a new leader!

Is this what MAQA yahoos were talking about when they said the US would be respected again under trump?

Is she wrong? If trump is siding with russia (and by default north korea, china, iran, etc.) against the free world then he has abdicated the President's role as leader of the free world.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:38 pm

The free world needs a new leader!

Is this what MAQA yahoos were talking about when they said the US would be respected again under trump?

Is she wrong? If trump is siding with russia (and by default north korea, china, iran, etc.) against the free world then he has abdicated the President's role as leader of the free world.
Yes, I'm sure run straight to the front lines or send a few relatives. She might even put another Ukrainian flag on her profile. Empty words.
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kalm wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 3:33 pm
:rofl: Klan quoting Cheney. We all see this isn't really about the people of Ukraine, this is about Orange Man Bad. How small and pathetic like Uni St Behar. You're full of bitterness. It shows.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:48 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 2:38 pm

The free world needs a new leader!

Is this what MAQA yahoos were talking about when they said the US would be respected again under trump?

Is she wrong? If trump is siding with russia (and by default north korea, china, iran, etc.) against the free world then he has abdicated the President's role as leader of the free world.
Yes, I'm sure run straight to the front lines or send a few relatives. She might even put another Ukrainian flag on her profile. Empty words.
Tell me you don’t know who she is without telling me you know who she is. :ohno: :notworthy:
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