The Ukraine Crisis

[Bobcat]

I love it when people use the term fascist wrong all the time like its a slam or something.

Honest people dont use the word fascist in America, which explains why the media, KKKalm and you use it. Good little robots

Define fascism and it’s origin using your own words, Bob.

Origin - 2024 created by Donald Trump just as he has created so many jobs and opportunities for others

Definition - Anything Trump does

You will probably argue this too!

[UNI88]

When trump has your back ...

[kalm]

Define fascism and it’s origin using your own words, Bob.

Origin - 2024 created by Donald Trump just as he has created so many jobs and opportunities for others

Definition - Anything Trump does

You will probably argue this too!

Nice tap out.

[Gil Dobie]

Zelenskyy has said he is eager to negotiate peace, a day after Trump moved to pause military aid to Ukraine. How many Donks walked out of the SOTU when Trump announced that. Donks looked worse than Trump last night with their staged walkouts, and that is a very bad look.

Using Al Jazeera as a non-partisan link.
Al Jazeera Link

[kalm]

Zelenskyy has said he is eager to negotiate peace, a day after Trump moved to pause military aid to Ukraine. How many Donks walked out of the SOTU when Trump announced that. Donks looked worse than Trump last night with their staged walkouts, and that is a very bad look.

Using Al Jazeera as a non-partisan link.
Al Jazeera Link

Appeasement so pure it would make Chamberlain blush.

[Gil Dobie]

Zelenskyy has said he is eager to negotiate peace, a day after Trump moved to pause military aid to Ukraine. How many Donks walked out of the SOTU when Trump announced that. Donks looked worse than Trump last night with their staged walkouts, and that is a very bad look.

Using Al Jazeera as a non-partisan link.
Al Jazeera Link

Appeasement so pure it would make Chamberlain blush.

Nazis were socialist, didn't like capitalism. Trump is not smart enough to have a master plan.

[UNI88]

Appeasement so pure it would make Chamberlain blush.

Nazis were socialist, didn't like capitalism. Trump is not smart enough to have a master plan.

Nazis weren't socialists despite having socialist in their official name.

[DSUrocks07]

Nazis were socialist, didn't like capitalism. Trump is not smart enough to have a master plan.

Nazis weren't socialists despite having socialist in their official name.

Sounds like Antifa

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[kalm]

Appeasement so pure it would make Chamberlain blush.

Nazis were socialist, didn't like capitalism. Trump is not smart enough to have a master plan.

No Gil. The Nazi’s were not socialists. Neither were the original Italian fascists. They were corporatists. They both hated socialism. In fact part of fascism was a rejection of socialism.

The Nazi’s started out by courting industrialists…then became a one party autocracy similar to Russia today. The socialist in the name was to entice workers to join. The original Nazi party were small business owners.

It’s not about Trumps dim wit. It’s about leverage and intimidation and who he’s surrounded by.

[BDKJMU]

Nazis were socialist, didn't like capitalism. Trump is not smart enough to have a master plan.

No Gil. The Nazi’s were not socialists. Neither were the original Italian fascists. They were corporatists. They both hated socialism. In fact part of fascism was a rejection of socialism.

The Nazi’s started out by courting industrialists…then became a one party autocracy similar to Russia today. The socialist in the name was to entice workers to join. The original Nazi party were small business owners.

It’s not about Trumps dim wit. It’s about leverage and intimidation and who he’s surrounded by.

The NAZIs practiced a form of socialism-Once they gained power they waged war on private property.
https://wallbuilders.com/resource/the-n ... ocialists/

[BDKJMU]

Prego!

[SeattleGriz]

Nazis were socialist, didn't like capitalism. Trump is not smart enough to have a master plan.

No Gil. The Nazi’s were not socialists. Neither were the original Italian fascists. They were corporatists. They both hated socialism. In fact part of fascism was a rejection of socialism.

The Nazi’s started out by courting industrialists…then became a one party autocracy similar to Russia today. The socialist in the name was to entice workers to join. The original Nazi party were small business owners.

It’s not about Trumps dim wit. It’s about leverage and intimidation and who he’s surrounded by.

So bitter over intellectualism.

[kalm]

No Gil. The Nazi’s were not socialists. Neither were the original Italian fascists. They were corporatists. They both hated socialism. In fact part of fascism was a rejection of socialism.

The Nazi’s started out by courting industrialists…then became a one party autocracy similar to Russia today. The socialist in the name was to entice workers to join. The original Nazi party were small business owners.

It’s not about Trumps dim wit. It’s about leverage and intimidation and who he’s surrounded by.

The NAZIs practiced a form of socialism-Once they gained power they waged war on private property.
https://wallbuilders.com/resource/the-n ... ocialists/

That’s what authoritarians do…fascistic or socialistic. That doesn’t make the Nazi’s actual socialists.

It would be like calling Putin’s Russia socialist.

[UNI88]

No Gil. The Nazi’s were not socialists. Neither were the original Italian fascists. They were corporatists. They both hated socialism. In fact part of fascism was a rejection of socialism.

The Nazi’s started out by courting industrialists…then became a one party autocracy similar to Russia today. The socialist in the name was to entice workers to join. The original Nazi party were small business owners.

It’s not about Trumps dim wit. It’s about leverage and intimidation and who he’s surrounded by.

The NAZIs practiced a form of socialism-Once they gained power they waged war on private property.
https://wallbuilders.com/resource/the-n ... ocialists/

That's one opinion. There are others that disagree ...

Were the Nazis Socialists?

Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934.

The Nazis Weren’t Socialists — They Were Hypercapitalists

Right-wingers love to insist that members of Adolf Hitler’s party were socialists. But Nazism’s real economic policies upheld hypercapitalist principles rooted in social Darwinist ideas about the value of human life. They weren’t socialists at all.

One of the most tiresome arguments leveled against socialism claims that Nazism was somehow “socialist,” and so something the Left needs to answer for. Adolf Hitler’s men marshaled the economy for war, put the state above the individual — and, as the killer argument, they even called themselves “National Socialists.”

Checkmate? Not quite. Even aside from the fact that other conservative and liberal parties actually voted for full powers to Hitler in 1933, his regime was characterized by massive interventions to help out private business. And the social Darwinism championed by the Nazis, counting the “unproductive” as mere wasteful expense, obeyed the logic of judging human life by the yardstick of profit.

That last line definitely isn't socialist and sounds llke turmp, musk and some CS posters.

[BDKJMU]

The NAZIs practiced a form of socialism-Once they gained power they waged war on private property.
https://wallbuilders.com/resource/the-n ... ocialists/

That's one opinion. There are others that disagree ...

Were the Nazis Socialists?

Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934.

The Nazis Weren’t Socialists — They Were Hypercapitalists

Right-wingers love to insist that members of Adolf Hitler’s party were socialists. But Nazism’s real economic policies upheld hypercapitalist principles rooted in social Darwinist ideas about the value of human life. They weren’t socialists at all.

One of the most tiresome arguments leveled against socialism claims that Nazism was somehow “socialist,” and so something the Left needs to answer for. Adolf Hitler’s men marshaled the economy for war, put the state above the individual — and, as the killer argument, they even called themselves “National Socialists.”

Checkmate? Not quite. Even aside from the fact that other conservative and liberal parties actually voted for full powers to Hitler in 1933, his regime was characterized by massive interventions to help out private business. And the social Darwinism championed by the Nazis, counting the “unproductive” as mere wasteful expense, obeyed the logic of judging human life by the yardstick of profit.

That last line definitely isn't socialist and sounds llke turmp, musk and some CS posters.

You know what they say about opinions.

True, but were also under the thumb of the NAZI regime, esp after the onset of “Four Year Plan’ in 1936, and more so after the war started. Sure they were privately owned, but they had to do what they were told. The heads of companies cooperated or they got removed.

[SeattleGriz]

When trump has your back ...

No. Not even close. Trump didn't get us into the war, Biden did. The fact you want more Ukrainians dead is telling.

[UNI88]

When trump has your back ...

No. Not even close. Trump didn't get us into the war, Biden did. The fact you want more Ukrainians dead is telling.

biden didn't try to sell out Ukraine (our ally) to curry favor with a brutal dictator, trump did (which is the point of the comic). The fact you want the genocide of the Ukrainian people and identity is telling.

You're a broken record repeating the same bullshit FAKE NEWS over and over.

I'd suggest a trip to the minors (AGS) to up your game but that's too much of a MAQA yahoo echo chamber and is unlikely to help get you back to being able to contribute substantive points. Maybe just stop regurgitating MAQA yahoo echo chamber talking points and start thinking for yourself again.

[Caribbean Hen]

No. Not even close. Trump didn't get us into the war, Biden did. The fact you want more Ukrainians dead is telling.

biden didn't try to sell out Ukraine (our ally) to curry favor with a brutal dictator, trump did (which is the point of the comic). The fact you want the genocide of the Ukrainian people and identity is telling.

You're a broken record repeating the same bullshit FAKE NEWS over and over.

I'd suggest a trip to the minors (AGS) to up your game but that's too much of a MAQA yahoo echo chamber and is unlikely to help get you back to being able to contribute substantive points. Maybe just stop regurgitating MAQA yahoo echo chamber talking points and start thinking for yourself again.

Why don’t you jump on AGS … lots of reason over there

almost every member of the “echo chamber” has criticized Trump

Challenge yourself and get on it

[kalm]

biden didn't try to sell out Ukraine (our ally) to curry favor with a brutal dictator, trump did (which is the point of the comic). The fact you want the genocide of the Ukrainian people and identity is telling.

You're a broken record repeating the same bullshit FAKE NEWS over and over.

I'd suggest a trip to the minors (AGS) to up your game but that's too much of a MAQA yahoo echo chamber and is unlikely to help get you back to being able to contribute substantive points. Maybe just stop regurgitating MAQA yahoo echo chamber talking points and start thinking for yourself again.

Why don’t you jump on AGS … lots of reason over there

almost every member of the “echo chamber” has criticized Trump

Challenge yourself and get on it

For a second there, I thought you might have said reason.

[Caribbean Hen]

All those Ukraine flag waivers like Klam are fine with this

Children To The Slaughter

“In April, Ukraine reduced the mobilization age from 27 to 25. But in November 2024, the Biden administration pushed Ukraine to lower the draft age again -- this time, to 18. On January 12, U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s designated national-security adviser Mike Waltz repeated the message

[GannonFan]

All those Ukraine flag waivers like Klam are fine with this

Children To The Slaughter

“In April, Ukraine reduced the mobilization age from 27 to 25. But in November 2024, the Biden administration pushed Ukraine to lower the draft age again -- this time, to 18. On January 12, U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s designated national-security adviser Mike Waltz repeated the message

18's the age for selective service in this country. I don't see this as a thing to really debate, there are far bigger things than the draft age of conscripts in Ukraine.

[Caribbean Hen]

All those Ukraine flag waivers like Klam are fine with this

Children To The Slaughter

“In April, Ukraine reduced the mobilization age from 27 to 25. But in November 2024, the Biden administration pushed Ukraine to lower the draft age again -- this time, to 18. On January 12, U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s designated national-security adviser Mike Waltz repeated the message

18's the age for selective service in this country. I don't see this as a thing to really debate, there are far bigger things than the draft age of conscripts in Ukraine.

I wouldn’t want to tell those grieving Ukrainian mothers that

It never had to happen as at this point, it’s just a senseless slaughter that won’t change the outcome of this stalemate

[Bobcat]

KKKalm is ok with killing kids and healthcare CEOs

[UNI88]

18's the age for selective service in this country. I don't see this as a thing to really debate, there are far bigger things than the draft age of conscripts in Ukraine.

I wouldn’t want to tell those grieving Ukrainian mothers that

It never had to happen as at this point, it’s just a senseless slaughter that won’t change the outcome of this stalemate

You're correct it never had to happen. It happened because putin and russia invaded.

How would you propose this ends? A ceasefire and eventual peace agreement? Why should Zelensky and Ukraine trust putin this time? Should we list the agreements that putin has already broken? Will the US and Europe provide security agreements? Will putin accept them?

You act as if it's as simple as trump telling Zelensky that Ukraine has to agree to peace with putin and russia and then there will be peace and lives and money will be saved and we'll all sing kumbaya. It's not and pretending that it is plays into putin's hands. Do you want to be a russian stooge or think for yourself?

[UNI88]

biden didn't try to sell out Ukraine (our ally) to curry favor with a brutal dictator, trump did (which is the point of the comic). The fact you want the genocide of the Ukrainian people and identity is telling.

You're a broken record repeating the same bullshit FAKE NEWS over and over.

I'd suggest a trip to the minors (AGS) to up your game but that's too much of a MAQA yahoo echo chamber and is unlikely to help get you back to being able to contribute substantive points. Maybe just stop regurgitating MAQA yahoo echo chamber talking points and start thinking for yourself again.

Why don’t you jump on AGS … lots of reason over there

almost every member of the “echo chamber” has criticized Trump

Challenge yourself and get on it

I've been on AGS. There were a couple of reasonable MAQA yahoo posters there but too many resorted to trying to gang up on dissenting opinions with name calling and emotion rather than reason and facts. Just because thousands of MAQA yahoos agree with/support something doesn't make it true.

How have you responded when kalm has criticized biden and asked you to do the same about trump?