Deportations of Illegal Aliens Thread

[BDKJMU]

The unhinged left calling ICE ‘Gestapo’ is about as as the unhinged left calling Trump Hitler.

Or the unhinged trump/MAQA calling people who stand up to trump unhinged, radical, lunatics, Marxists, communists, socialists, fascists, etc.

As I stated earlier, it's fair to question the tactics that ICE and the trump regime are using - denying due process, wearing masks, failing to identify themselves or provide warrants/documentation, etc. I'll add detaining people without giving them the opportunity to notify family/friends and moving detainees to far away states. If you don't want to be called a fascist then don't use fascist tactics.

-Because the left is doxxing agents and their families.
-They aren’t uniformed police with uniforms and marked police vehicles. No different than plain clothes local/state/federal police in unmarked vehicles making arrests. They wear identifying info that states they are police.
-Aren’t required to produce a warrant to make an immigration arrest.

[kalm]

Or the unhinged trump/MAQA calling people who stand up to trump unhinged, radical, lunatics, Marxists, communists, socialists, fascists, etc.

As I stated earlier, it's fair to question the tactics that ICE and the trump regime are using - denying due process, wearing masks, failing to identify themselves or provide warrants/documentation, etc. I'll add detaining people without giving them the opportunity to notify family/friends and moving detainees to far away states. If you don't want to be called a fascist then don't use fascist tactics.

-Because the left is doxxing agents and their families.
-They aren’t uniformed police with uniforms and marked police vehicles. No different than plain clothes local/state/federal police in unmarked vehicles making arrests. They wear identifying info that states they are police.
-Aren’t required to produce a warrant to make an immigration arrest.

Who decides if it’s a valid immigration issue? ICE has already arrested legitimate, documented immigrants as well as even a few actual citizens.

[UNI88]

Or the unhinged trump/MAQA calling people who stand up to trump unhinged, radical, lunatics, Marxists, communists, socialists, fascists, etc.

As I stated earlier, it's fair to question the tactics that ICE and the trump regime are using - denying due process, wearing masks, failing to identify themselves or provide warrants/documentation, etc. I'll add detaining people without giving them the opportunity to notify family/friends and moving detainees to far away states. If you don't want to be called a fascist then don't use fascist tactics.

-Because the left is doxxing agents and their families.
-They aren’t uniformed police with uniforms and marked police vehicles. No different than plain clothes local/state/federal police in unmarked vehicles making arrests. They wear identifying info that states they are police.
-Aren’t required to produce a warrant to make an immigration arrest.

Plain clothes local/state/federal police can show their badge when asked.

I'm sympathetic to the risk of doxing but detainee rights should not be sacrificed to protect agents who have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution. Upholding the Constitution is more important than deporting as many illegal immigrants as possible.

Completely skipped over:
- Denying due process
- Detaining people without giving them the opportunity to notify family/friends and
- Moving detainees to far away states without warning or notification

And let's not forget the unhinged trump/MAQA calling people who stand up to trump unhinged, radical, lunatics, Marxists, communists, socialists, fascists, etc.

[UNI88]

Are they going to arrest themselves? Seems a little awkward and like the pot calling the kettle black.

[BDKJMU]

More libs protesting drug raids. Idiots.

[BDKJMU]

-Because the left is doxxing agents and their families.
-They aren’t uniformed police with uniforms and marked police vehicles. No different than plain clothes local/state/federal police in unmarked vehicles making arrests. They wear identifying info that states they are police.
-Aren’t required to produce a warrant to make an immigration arrest.

Plain clothes local/state/federal police can show their badge when asked.

I'm sympathetic to the risk of doxing but detainee rights should not be sacrificed to protect agents who have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution. Upholding the Constitution is more important than deporting as many illegal immigrants as possible.

Completely skipped over:
- Denying due process
- Detaining people without giving them the opportunity to notify family/friends and
- Moving detainees to far away states without warning or notification

And let's not forget the unhinged trump/MAQA calling people who stand up to trump unhinged, radical, lunatics, Marxists, communists, socialists, fascists, etc.

When asked by whom? They usually have tac badges displayed on chain around neck.

Covering ones face isn’t not holding the Constitution.

Are they not getting their phone call from jail?

Deportations has much lower due process than criminal trials. They’re not being denied due process in Expidited Removal Proceedings.

[BDKJMU]

From the Department of Homeland Security

Governor Tim Walz’s sickening rhetoric calling Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agents “Trump’s modern-day Gestapo,” the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) is setting the facts straight on the bravery of our ICE enforcement agents. Every day they risk their lives to arrest vicious criminal illegal aliens let into our country by the previous administration.

The trump regime doesn’t have the moral high ground on this one …

From a 'day of love' to 'if they spit, we will hit': Trump's about-face on violence against police

”By the way, Trump, he’s not opposed to lawlessness and violence, as long as it serves him. What more evidence do we need than Jan. 6?” Newsom said.

Harry Dunn, a former U.S. Capitol Police officer who was serving in the Capitol during the attack, told NBC News that he sees Trump’s actions then and now as hypocritical.

“Donald Trump is OK with violence, as long as it’s done in his name. That’s the message that he’s sending right now,” Dunn said. “That’s why he pardoned the people on Jan. 6: They did it in his name … what about the officers on Jan. 6? Just put an asterisk by those officers and say, ‘Not them. They stopped Donald Trump from succeeding.’”
…
During the riot at the Capitol, no National Guard help arrived for hours, despite pleas from those inside the building. Then-acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller testified before a House panel that Trump never gave a formal deployment order, and other testimony described then-Vice President Mike Pence taking the lead in attempting to get the National Guard out to help control the mob.

Meanwhile, rioters violently broke through barriers, smashed windows, brutalized officers and chanted threats to Pence. In all, at least 140 police officers were injured.

Trump later called it “a day of love” and has referred to the rioters as “hostages,” “warriors” and “victims.”

“What they’ve done to some people that are so innocent, you ought to be ashamed of yourself,” Trump told President Joe Biden at last year’s first presidential debate, referring to the rioters. “What you have done, how you’ve destroyed the lives of so many people.

Michael Fanone, a former D.C. police officer who was attacked by Rodriguez on Jan. 6, took issue with Trump’s posture in California. Fanone called the president “a hypocrite,” and “a liar.”

“Had those people storming the Capitol been illegal f--- immigrants or Black people or any other group that … his base found to be displeasing, then they would have said ‘open fire,’” Fanone said in an interview.

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[BDKJMU]

[UNI88]

The trump regime doesn’t have the moral high ground on this one …

From a 'day of love' to 'if they spit, we will hit': Trump's about-face on violence against police

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Is this the new response from the MAQA yahoo playbook now that you can't whine that trump isn't President, why do you keep bringing him up and cry tDS or but trump?

The comparison between trump's response to January 6 and the LA riots is valid no matter what logical fallacies you want to use to distract attention away from his flaming hypocrisy.

He's the President. America isn't getting better much less greater under his watch. It's getting worse. He owns this sh!t! The buck stops with him!

[UNI88]

Plain clothes local/state/federal police can show their badge when asked.

I'm sympathetic to the risk of doxing but detainee rights should not be sacrificed to protect agents who have taken an oath to uphold the Constitution. Upholding the Constitution is more important than deporting as many illegal immigrants as possible.

Completely skipped over:
- Denying due process
- Detaining people without giving them the opportunity to notify family/friends and
- Moving detainees to far away states without warning or notification

And let's not forget the unhinged trump/MAQA calling people who stand up to trump unhinged, radical, lunatics, Marxists, communists, socialists, fascists, etc.

When asked by whom? They usually have tac badges displayed on chain around neck.

Covering ones face isn’t not holding the Constitution.

Are they not getting their phone call from jail?

Deportations has much lower due process than criminal trials. They’re not being denied due process in Expidited Removal Proceedings.

Denying due process is violating the Constitution.

I've asked before but no one has answered, has SCOTUS ruled that expedited removal is legal for immigrants not at the border?

Any descent human being would support giving a detainee the opportunity to call their family/friends and legal counsel. That's the kind of thing that separates the civilized from the uncivilized.

[BDKJMU]

Is this the new response from the MAQA yahoo playbook now that you can't whine that trump isn't President, why do you keep bringing him up and cry tDS or but trump?

The comparison between trump's response to January 6 and the LA riots is valid no matter what logical fallacies you want to use to distract attention away from his flaming hypocrisy.

He's the President. America isn't getting better much less greater under his watch. It's getting worse. He owns this sh!t! The buck stops with him!

Wrong. Border, deportations, economy, America 1st, less enviro DEI woke trans ideology, all getting better.

[BDKJMU]

When asked by whom? They usually have tac badges displayed on chain around neck.

Covering ones face isn’t not holding the Constitution.

Are they not getting their phone call from jail?

Deportations has much lower due process than criminal trials. They’re not being denied due process in Expidited Removal Proceedings.

Denying due process is violating the Constitution.

I've asked before but no one has answered, has SCOTUS ruled that expedited removal is legal for immigrants not at the border?

Any descent human being would support giving a detainee the opportunity to call their family/friends and legal counsel. That's the kind of thing that separates the civilized from the uncivilized.

Which has happened very little amongst the 100k + or whatever it is deported.

I don’t know. Look it up. Why would it make a difference for an illegal alien apprehended 1 mile vs 100 miles vs 500 miles from the border?

[Baldy]

When asked by whom? They usually have tac badges displayed on chain around neck.

Covering ones face isn’t not holding the Constitution.

Are they not getting their phone call from jail?

Deportations has much lower due process than criminal trials. They’re not being denied due process in Expidited Removal Proceedings.

Denying due process is violating the Constitution.

I've asked before but no one has answered, has SCOTUS ruled that expedited removal is legal for immigrants not at the border?

Any descent human being would support giving a detainee the opportunity to call their family/friends and legal counsel. That's the kind of thing that separates the civilized from the uncivilized.

Asked and answered earlier in this thread. Trump reinstated the expedited removal policy from his first term. The policy states it doesn't matter where the illegal is apprehended, they are subject to expedited removal. It was challenged in 2020, and SCOTUS affirmed the legality of Trump's expedited removal policy.

It's not that hard to understand.

[Gil Dobie]

Are you saying Walz is a standup guy and is correct calling US government workers Gestapo, or that Jan 6 is worse than bombing the Capitol and Riots over-running a police precinct.

I said none of that. Walz is a politician. Politicians tend to be deeply flawed and controversial in their opinions. You don’t like him. I get that. But to compare him to Trump is laughable. It normalizes Trump and his advisors. Referring to ICE and the tactics as simply “government workers” is also normalizing.

Don’t like being referred to as Gestapo, don’t act all Gestapo.

I'm looking at the similarities of the person and how they act in public. Very similar from that point of view. Both act like cult leaders and go overboard describing their foes.

What do ICE agents do that is like Gestapo? They are arresting people that are illegally in this country. Are the people illegally in this country not breaking the law. I'm all for people entering legally.

[kalm]

I said none of that. Walz is a politician. Politicians tend to be deeply flawed and controversial in their opinions. You don’t like him. I get that. But to compare him to Trump is laughable. It normalizes Trump and his advisors. Referring to ICE and the tactics as simply “government workers” is also normalizing.

Don’t like being referred to as Gestapo, don’t act all Gestapo.

I'm looking at the similarities of the person and how they act in public. Very similar from that point of view. Both act like cult leaders and go overboard describing their foes.

What do ICE agents do that is like Gestapo? They are arresting people that are illegally in this country. Are the people illegally in this country not breaking the law. I'm all for people entering legally.

[Gil Dobie]

Are you saying Walz is a standup guy and is correct calling US government workers Gestapo, or that Jan 6 is worse than bombing the Capitol and Riots over-running a police precinct.

IMO, January 6 was worse than the Capitol bombing or a riot over-running a police precinct because of why they were there - to disrupt the voter approved Constitutional transfer of power from trump to biden. That makes January 6 much closer to an insurrection than the ICE riots in LA, the BLM riots around the country, the Capitol bombing, etc.

It's fair to question the tactics that ICE and the trump regime are using - denying due process, wearing masks, failing to identify themselves or provide warrants/documentation, etc.

I don't think they were very different at all. We were not close to insurrection in any case. We are 50 states and I don't believe the people in any of these states would allow that to happen. Fear mongering by the media has gotten to a lot of people.

It's fair to question Trump and ICE, but to use Gestapo is ridiculous, and by an elected official.

[Gil Dobie]

The unhinged left calling ICE ‘Gestapo’ is about as as the unhinged left calling Trump Hitler.

Denying obvious historical echoes…

I'm more concern about the left trying to force Harris into the White House without being nominated, after having a left wing billionaire puppet presidency.

We need some real leaders on the ballots from each party.

[Gil Dobie]

The unhinged left calling ICE ‘Gestapo’ is about as as the unhinged left calling Trump Hitler.

Or the unhinged trump/MAQA calling people who stand up to trump unhinged, radical, lunatics, Marxists, communists, socialists, fascists, etc.

As I stated earlier, it's fair to question the tactics that ICE and the trump regime are using - denying due process, wearing masks, failing to identify themselves or provide warrants/documentation, etc. I'll add detaining people without giving them the opportunity to notify family/friends and moving detainees to far away states. If you don't want to be called a fascist then don't use fascist tactics.

Isn't it against the law to enter the country illegally?

[kalm]

Denying due process is violating the Constitution.

I've asked before but no one has answered, has SCOTUS ruled that expedited removal is legal for immigrants not at the border?

Any descent human being would support giving a detainee the opportunity to call their family/friends and legal counsel. That's the kind of thing that separates the civilized from the uncivilized.

Asked and answered earlier in this thread. Trump reinstated the expedited removal policy from his first term. The policy states it doesn't matter where the illegal is apprehended, they are subject to expedited removal. It was challenged in 2020, and SCOTUS affirmed the legality of Trump's expedited removal policy.

It's not that hard to understand.

This must have caused an increase in asylum requests as even under expedited removal, fear of returning to your country is an exemption.

Question: What’s to keep ICE from arresting, detaining, and deporting legal immigrants either by mistake or intentionally? That’s really one of the main issues with what’s happening.

[kalm]

Uh oh.

Rogan to MAGA mass deportation peeps: “You’re an asshole.”

[Baldy]

Uh oh.

Rogan to MAGA mass deportation peeps: “You’re an asshole.”

When you’re using Elon and Rogan to make your point, you’ve clearly won the argument.

[Baldy]

Asked and answered earlier in this thread. Trump reinstated the expedited removal policy from his first term. The policy states it doesn't matter where the illegal is apprehended, they are subject to expedited removal. It was challenged in 2020, and SCOTUS affirmed the legality of Trump's expedited removal policy.

It's not that hard to understand.

This must have caused an increase in asylum requests as even under expedited removal, fear of returning to your country is an exemption.

Question: What’s to keep ICE from arresting, detaining, and deporting legal immigrants either by mistake or intentionally? That’s really one of the main issues with what’s happening.

That's a silly question. How are arrests by ICE different from any arrests by any other law enforcement agency?

[kalm]

This must have caused an increase in asylum requests as even under expedited removal, fear of returning to your country is an exemption.

Question: What’s to keep ICE from arresting, detaining, and deporting legal immigrants either by mistake or intentionally? That’s really one of the main issues with what’s happening.

That's a silly question. How are arrests by ICE different from any arrests by any other law enforcement agency?

Ummm…see discussion above regarding due process?

[kalm]

Uh oh.

Rogan to MAGA mass deportation peeps: “You’re an asshole.”

When you’re using Elon and Rogan to make your point, you’ve clearly won the argument.

This was for you.

[Baldy]

That's a silly question. How are arrests by ICE different from any arrests by any other law enforcement agency?

Ummm…see discussion above regarding due process?

You didn't answer the question.