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kalm wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 1:57 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 11:13 am
Party of life and party of family values for Americans. :nod:
Then why cut health care and research? Why not sensible gun control? Does the party of family values support gay parenting?
LoL for one we have sensible gun control.
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BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 2:01 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 1:57 pm

Then why cut health care and research? Why not sensible gun control? Does the party of family values support gay parenting?
LoL for one we have sensible gun control.
lol…statistically you’re wrong in any direction.
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kalm wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 5:29 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 2:01 pm
LoL for one we have sensible gun control.
lol…statistically you’re wrong in any direction.
Lol define sensible gun control.
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kalm wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 5:29 pm lol…statistically you’re wrong in any direction.
Lol define sensible gun control.
Not allowing patrons to bring loaded weapons into establishments that serve alcohol seems pretty sensible.


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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 8:33 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Lol define sensible gun control.
Not allowing patrons to bring loaded weapons into establishments that serve alcohol seems pretty sensible.


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No it doesn‘t if you’re talking a restaurant. People with CCW should be allowed to carry if they are going to a restaurant to eat lunch or dinner and not drinking. In most states an establishment can post no firearms if they so choose.
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BDKJMU wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:23 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 8:33 pm
Not allowing patrons to bring loaded weapons into establishments that serve alcohol seems pretty sensible.

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No it doesn‘t if you’re talking a restaurant. People with CCW should be allowed to carry if they are going to a restaurant to eat lunch or dinner and not drinking. In most states an establishment can post no firearms if they so choose.
So people who aren't drinking can bring loaded weapons but those that are can't? Who is policing that?

All states should make it a felony to carry while under the influence. Alcohol and guns in public don't mix.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:55 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:23 am
No it doesn‘t if you’re talking a restaurant. People with CCW should be allowed to carry if they are going to a restaurant to eat lunch or dinner and not drinking. In most states an establishment can post no firearms if they so choose.
So people who aren't drinking can bring loaded weapons but those that are can't? Who is policing that?

All states should make it a felony to carry while under the influence. Alcohol and guns in public don't mix.
I agree alcohol and guns don’t mix. You said while ‘under the influence‘ so I assume you mean .08. It varies by state, but the majority it’s a misdemeanor (NY State popped up as Class A/1 yr jail). I‘m sure in a lot of states could get your CCW revoked. But a felony is complete overkill for someone carrying who is .08 but doesn't do anything additional wrong (doesn‘t brandish but was somehow discovered he was carrying). Especially considering there are NUMEROUS other charges that can be stacked on top of a misdemeanor carrying while under the influence. All varies by state.
-brandishing a firearm in public (most states misdemeanor).
-discharging a firearm in public (misdemeanor to felony, varies by state, where shooting from, what shooting at, what if anything hit).
-reckless endangerment (misdemeanor to felony).
-pointing firearm at someone (ag assault/felony) to attempted murder to murder if pull trigger.
-course felon in possession of firearm is a felony.

The feds aren’t going to get involved in what is mostly a state issue.

This is outdated (2019).
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:55 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:23 am
No it doesn‘t if you’re talking a restaurant. People with CCW should be allowed to carry if they are going to a restaurant to eat lunch or dinner and not drinking. In most states an establishment can post no firearms if they so choose.
So people who aren't drinking can bring loaded weapons but those that are can't? Who is policing that?

All states should make it a felony to carry while under the influence. Alcohol and guns in public don't mix.
Its a misdemeanor in almost every state and thats just fine. Definitely do not need any more gun laws
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kalm wrote: Tue Mar 18, 2025 1:32 pm
Judge rules against Musk and Doge, finding USAid shutdown 'likely violated' constitution
A federal judge has ordered Elon Musk and his “department of government efficiency” (Doge) to stop their dismantling of USAid, saying their move to rapidly shut down the agency tasked with managing foreign assistance was likely illegal.

“The court finds that defendants actions taken to shut down USAid on an accelerated basis, including its apparent decision to permanently close USAid headquarters without the approval of a duly appointed USAid Officer, likely violated the United States constitution in multiple ways, and that these actions harmed not only Plaintiffs, but also the public interest, because they deprived the public’s elected representatives in Congress of their constitutional authority to decide whether, when, and how to close down an agency created by Congress,” wrote Maryland-based judge Theodore D. Chuang
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Bobcat wrote: Tue Jul 08, 2025 9:18 am
UNI88 wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:55 am

So people who aren't drinking can bring loaded weapons but those that are can't? Who is policing that?

All states should make it a felony to carry while under the influence. Alcohol and guns in public don't mix.
Its a misdemeanor in almost every state and thats just fine. Definitely do not need any more gun laws
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kalm wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 5:29 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Fri Jul 04, 2025 2:01 pm
LoL for one we have sensible gun control.
lol…statistically you’re wrong in any direction.
No hes not.

There are 18,874 gun deaths by violent crime every year. 19k out of 330 million people is not even a problem. Why would anyone make it any harder to defend yourself? Hardly a problem.
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 11:55 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sat Jul 05, 2025 7:23 am
No it doesn‘t if you’re talking a restaurant. People with CCW should be allowed to carry if they are going to a restaurant to eat lunch or dinner and not drinking. In most states an establishment can post no firearms if they so choose.
So people who aren't drinking can bring loaded weapons but those that are can't? Who is policing that?

All states should make it a felony to carry while under the influence. Alcohol and guns in public don't mix.
It should be a felony to make gun laws.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:52 pm
Ibanez wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:42 pm

I’m all for rooting out fraud, waste and abuse. I did that for a few years in my consulting days to some success. Elon isn’t the right tool or person. This is Congress’ job, not Elons, and they’re all too glad to let him fuck around and make mistakes. They’ve handed over their authority and it’s going to be difficult to get it back. It’ll require them to have the balls to stand up to Trump and the loudmouths in the GOP (which they won’t because they’re all feckless cowards.)

They’re also going about it the wrong way and are scaring people. They need to be systematically reviewing and allowing the evidence to speak for itself. Otherwise, an already leery media and public won’t believe them, especially when they lie about stupid shit like $50M for condoms for Hamas.
Yet Congress WON’T do it. They haven’t for the last 60 years, and they won’t until the bubble bursts within the next several decades.

People need to be scared. We are creeping towards a fiscal time bomb, and too many people are blissfully ignorant of that.
Trump and Dodge didn’t fix anything at all. Remember when you bitched and loaned about Obama golfing? Are you complaining now? Trump isn’t any better and he proved that the first time around when he increased the debt slightly less in 4 years than Obama did in 8. Doge has failed in every way. It was a gimmick and you fell for it.

But MAGA doesn’t vote on policy just personality. You guys have become a cult of personality.
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:36 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:52 pm
Yet Congress WON’T do it. They haven’t for the last 60 years, and they won’t until the bubble bursts within the next several decades.

People need to be scared. We are creeping towards a fiscal time bomb, and too many people are blissfully ignorant of that.
Trump and Dodge didn’t fix anything at all. Remember when you bitched and loaned about Obama golfing? Are you complaining now? Trump isn’t any better and he proved that the first time around when he increased the debt slightly less in 4 years than Obama did in 8. Doge has failed in every way. It was a gimmick and you fell for it.

But MAGA doesn’t vote on policy just personality. You guys have become a cult of personality.
Why would anyone think they were going to fix it ? Too many entitlement minded people

Fraud and abuse is rampant and the economy would crash if the eliminated all of suddenly

Yes, Elon wrong guy but eventually and one day suddenly we will feel the pain
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Ibanez wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:36 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 12:52 pm
Yet Congress WON’T do it. They haven’t for the last 60 years, and they won’t until the bubble bursts within the next several decades.

People need to be scared. We are creeping towards a fiscal time bomb, and too many people are blissfully ignorant of that.
Trump and Dodge didn’t fix anything at all. Remember when you bitched and loaned about Obama golfing? Are you complaining now? Trump isn’t any better and he proved that the first time around when he increased the debt slightly less in 4 years than Obama did in 8. Doge has failed in every way. It was a gimmick and you fell for it.

But MAGA doesn’t vote on policy just personality. You guys have become a cult of personality.
And Biden increased it more in 4 years than Obama did in 8. And you voted for him.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 11:25 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:36 am

Trump and Dodge didn’t fix anything at all. Remember when you bitched and loaned about Obama golfing? Are you complaining now? Trump isn’t any better and he proved that the first time around when he increased the debt slightly less in 4 years than Obama did in 8. Doge has failed in every way. It was a gimmick and you fell for it.

But MAGA doesn’t vote on policy just personality. You guys have become a cult of personality.
Why would anyone think they were going to fix it ? Too many entitlement minded people

Fraud and abuse is rampant and the economy would crash if the eliminated all of suddenly

Yes, Elon wrong guy but eventually and one day suddenly we will feel the pain
I have no idea why anyone would think that but MAGA and Republican did. Rubes…
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:03 am
Ibanez wrote: Mon Sep 15, 2025 10:36 am

Trump and Dodge didn’t fix anything at all. Remember when you bitched and loaned about Obama golfing? Are you complaining now? Trump isn’t any better and he proved that the first time around when he increased the debt slightly less in 4 years than Obama did in 8. Doge has failed in every way. It was a gimmick and you fell for it.

But MAGA doesn’t vote on policy just personality. You guys have become a cult of personality.
And Biden increased it more in 4 years than Obama did in 8. And you voted for him.
Except I didn’t — and neither did Biden. He came close, but he did not increase the national debt more than Obama. And Biden did not usurp the Constitution or bypass Congress’ role in lawmaking. Yet, you seem to want an authoritarian style of leadership — which is what we actually have now.

I also recall you criticizing Obama’s use of executive orders. Are you equally concerned that Trump has already issued more than 220 executive orders in his first term, and more than 200 so far in his second, while signing only a handful of bills into law? The legislative/executive balance seems pretty lopsided.

The hypocrisy stands out: Republicans complained about “wokeness” and “cancel culture” from the Left — but now the Right is doing the same thing. Many criticized Obama for golfing, yet Trump has spent even more time on the course.

Meanwhile, we’re seeing government pressure on private companies, intimidation of critics, and ongoing U.S. support for conflicts abroad that many consider humanitarian crises. That’s big-government, heavy-handed, and authoritarian behavior — not limited government.

Free speech feels more precarious than ever, and dissent is openly targeted. If Biden was a disappointment, Trump is showing us something even worse: a shift away from democratic norms toward raw power.

At some point we have to admit: the Right isn’t standing for limited government anymore — it’s gone too far.
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Ibanez wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:05 am
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 3:03 am
And Biden increased it more in 4 years than Obama did in 8. And you voted for him.
Except I didn’t — and neither did Biden. He came close, but he did not increase the national debt more than Obama. And Biden did not usurp the Constitution or bypass Congress’ role in lawmaking. Yet, you seem to want an authoritarian style of leadership — which is what we actually have now.

I also recall you criticizing Obama’s use of executive orders. Are you equally concerned that Trump has already issued more than 220 executive orders in his first term, and more than 200 so far in his second, while signing only a handful of bills into law? The legislative/executive balance seems pretty lopsided.

The hypocrisy stands out: Republicans complained about “wokeness” and “cancel culture” from the Left — but now the Right is doing the same thing. Many criticized Obama for golfing, yet Trump has spent even more time on the course.

Meanwhile, we’re seeing government pressure on private companies, intimidation of critics, and ongoing U.S. support for conflicts abroad that many consider humanitarian crises. That’s big-government, heavy-handed, and authoritarian behavior — not limited government.

Free speech feels more precarious than ever, and dissent is openly targeted. If Biden was a disappointment, Trump is showing us something even worse: a shift away from democratic norms toward raw power.

At some point we have to admit: the Right isn’t standing for limited government anymore — it’s gone too far.
Ok, my bad.
-Obama increased it 9.3 trillion, from 10.6 to 19.9. % wise over double Trump or Biden, but was 8 years vs 4.
-Trump increased it 7.8 trillion (from 19.9 to 27.7)
-Biden increased it 8.5 trillion (27.7 to 36.2).

The majority of the increase under Trump came in the last year. I think almost everyone agrees that the 1st Big COVID bill was necessary. Trump was wrong on his 2nd one out the door IMHOP).
Meanwhile, we’re seeing government pressure on private companies, intimidation of critics
Which we saw ad nauseum from 4 years of the Biden admin to pressure companies to toe the left’s agenda vis a vis the BLM cult, DEI cult, the climate cult, trans cult, and to fire workers who didn’t get a shot from an experimental so called vaccine.
Free speech feels more precarious than ever, and dissent is openly targeted
Cry me a fooking river. The Biden admin spent four years in a massive censorship campaign against the right by using Biden admin officials and their proxies to pressure Big Social Media to censor anyone who questioned the lefts prevailing narrative on Hunter’s laptop, J6, Covid, BLM, Trans, etc, etc.
And Biden did not usurp the Constitution or bypass Congress’ role in lawmaking
You’re right. Biden didn’t because Dementia Joe had no idea wtf was going on. But the string pullers and Autopen did.
:lol: :rofl:
-Hello ban on evictions by judicial fiat overturned by SCOTUS, ignored, and overturned again.
-Hello student loan debt fogiveness by judicial fiat. overturned by the courts in multiple versions, and by SCOTUS in one.
-Hello massive regulatory overreach in numerous areas (one example with EPA that was overturned by SCOTUS).
-Hello expansion of firearms background checks by executive fiat that were overturned by courts.
-Hello Biden FBI ‘Artic Frost’ targeting nearly conservative organizations and high profile conservative individuals.
-Hello Biden organization pressuring banks to debank those in the firearms business in a backdoor anti 2A move.

And welcome back! :thumb:
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BDK is dropping truth bombs

“You’re right. Biden didn’t because Dementia Joe had no idea wtf was going on. But the string pullers and Autopen did”

JoeBozo Biden had the perfect alibi for all of his crimes

I was senile and if that doesn’t work I was dumb long before I went full blown Dementia Joe
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BDKJMU wrote:
Ibanez wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:05 am
Except I didn’t — and neither did Biden. He came close, but he did not increase the national debt more than Obama. And Biden did not usurp the Constitution or bypass Congress’ role in lawmaking. Yet, you seem to want an authoritarian style of leadership — which is what we actually have now.

I also recall you criticizing Obama’s use of executive orders. Are you equally concerned that Trump has already issued more than 220 executive orders in his first term, and more than 200 so far in his second, while signing only a handful of bills into law? The legislative/executive balance seems pretty lopsided.

The hypocrisy stands out: Republicans complained about “wokeness” and “cancel culture” from the Left — but now the Right is doing the same thing. Many criticized Obama for golfing, yet Trump has spent even more time on the course.

Meanwhile, we’re seeing government pressure on private companies, intimidation of critics, and ongoing U.S. support for conflicts abroad that many consider humanitarian crises. That’s big-government, heavy-handed, and authoritarian behavior — not limited government.

Free speech feels more precarious than ever, and dissent is openly targeted. If Biden was a disappointment, Trump is showing us something even worse: a shift away from democratic norms toward raw power.

At some point we have to admit: the Right isn’t standing for limited government anymore — it’s gone too far.
Ok, my bad.
-Obama increased it 9.3 trillion, from 10.6 to 19.9. % wise over double Trump or Biden, but was 8 years vs 4.
-Trump increased it 7.8 trillion (from 19.9 to 27.7)
-Biden increased it 8.5 trillion (27.7 to 36.2).

The majority of the increase under Trump came in the last year. I think almost everyone agrees that the 1st Big COVID bill was necessary. Trump was wrong on his 2nd one out the door IMHOP).
Meanwhile, we’re seeing government pressure on private companies, intimidation of critics
Which we saw ad nauseum from 4 years of the Biden admin to pressure companies to toe the left’s agenda vis a vis the BLM cult, DEI cult, the climate cult, trans cult, and to fire workers who didn’t get a shot from an experimental so called vaccine.
Free speech feels more precarious than ever, and dissent is openly targeted
Cry me a fooking river. The Biden admin spent four years in a massive censorship campaign against the right by using Biden admin officials and their proxies to pressure Big Social Media to censor anyone who questioned the lefts prevailing narrative on Hunter’s laptop, J6, Covid, BLM, Trans, etc, etc.
And Biden did not usurp the Constitution or bypass Congress’ role in lawmaking
You’re right. Biden didn’t because Dementia Joe had no idea wtf was going on. But the string pullers and Autopen did.
:lol: :rofl:
-Hello ban on evictions by judicial fiat overturned by SCOTUS, ignored, and overturned again.
-Hello student loan debt fogiveness by judicial fiat. overturned by the courts in multiple versions, and by SCOTUS in one.
-Hello massive regulatory overreach in numerous areas (one example with EPA that was overturned by SCOTUS).
-Hello expansion of firearms background checks by executive fiat that were overturned by courts.
-Hello Biden FBI ‘Artic Frost’ targeting nearly conservative organizations and high profile conservative individuals.
-Hello Biden organization pressuring banks to debank those in the firearms business in a backdoor anti 2A move.

And welcome back! :thumb:
And here you are using biden’s wrong doing to justify trump’s wrong doing.
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Evaluating the impact of two decades of USAID interventions and projecting the effects of defunding on mortality up to 2030: a retrospective impact evaluation and forecasting analysis
Findings
Higher levels of USAID funding—primarily directed toward LMICs, particularly African countries—were associated with a 15% reduction in age-standardised all-cause mortality (risk ratio [RR] 0·85, 95% CI 0·78–0·93) and a 32% reduction in under-five mortality (RR 0·68, 0·57–0·80). This finding indicates that 91 839 663 (95% CI 85 690 135–98 291 626) all-age deaths, including 30 391 980 (26 023 132–35 482 636) in children younger than 5 years, were prevented by USAID funding over the 21-year study period. USAID funding was associated with a 65% reduction (RR 0·35, 0·29-0·42) in mortality from HIV/AIDS (representing 25·5 million deaths), 51% (RR 0·49, 0·39–0·61) from malaria (8·0 million deaths), and 50% (RR 0·50, 0·40–0·62) from neglected tropical diseases (8·9 million deaths). Significant decreases were also observed in mortality from tuberculosis, nutritional deficiencies, diarrhoeal diseases, lower respiratory infections, and maternal and perinatal conditions. Forecasting models predicted that the current steep funding cuts could result in more than 14 051 750 (uncertainty interval 8 475 990–19 662 191) additional all-age deaths, including 4 537 157 (3 124 796–5 910 791) in children younger than age 5 years, by 2030.

Interpretation
USAID funding has significantly contributed to the reduction in adult and child mortality across low-income and middle-income countries over the past two decades. Our estimates show that, unless the abrupt funding cuts announced and implemented in the first half of 2025 are reversed, a staggering number of avoidable deaths could occur by 2030.
Common sense says that the USAid cuts will result in more deaths in the near future. Anyone arguing differently (or asking for definitive proof of something theoretical but obvious) is high on trumpetamine.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 10:23 am Evaluating the impact of two decades of USAID interventions and projecting the effects of defunding on mortality up to 2030: a retrospective impact evaluation and forecasting analysis
Findings
Higher levels of USAID funding—primarily directed toward LMICs, particularly African countries—were associated with a 15% reduction in age-standardised all-cause mortality (risk ratio [RR] 0·85, 95% CI 0·78–0·93) and a 32% reduction in under-five mortality (RR 0·68, 0·57–0·80). This finding indicates that 91 839 663 (95% CI 85 690 135–98 291 626) all-age deaths, including 30 391 980 (26 023 132–35 482 636) in children younger than 5 years, were prevented by USAID funding over the 21-year study period. USAID funding was associated with a 65% reduction (RR 0·35, 0·29-0·42) in mortality from HIV/AIDS (representing 25·5 million deaths), 51% (RR 0·49, 0·39–0·61) from malaria (8·0 million deaths), and 50% (RR 0·50, 0·40–0·62) from neglected tropical diseases (8·9 million deaths). Significant decreases were also observed in mortality from tuberculosis, nutritional deficiencies, diarrhoeal diseases, lower respiratory infections, and maternal and perinatal conditions. Forecasting models predicted that the current steep funding cuts could result in more than 14 051 750 (uncertainty interval 8 475 990–19 662 191) additional all-age deaths, including 4 537 157 (3 124 796–5 910 791) in children younger than age 5 years, by 2030.

Interpretation
USAID funding has significantly contributed to the reduction in adult and child mortality across low-income and middle-income countries over the past two decades. Our estimates show that, unless the abrupt funding cuts announced and implemented in the first half of 2025 are reversed, a staggering number of avoidable deaths could occur by 2030.
Common sense says that the USAid cuts will result in more deaths in the near future. Anyone arguing differently (or asking for definitive proof of something theoretical but obvious) is high on trumpetamine.
Jesus would be against these cuts.
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kalm wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 10:35 am
UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 10:23 am Evaluating the impact of two decades of USAID interventions and projecting the effects of defunding on mortality up to 2030: a retrospective impact evaluation and forecasting analysis

Common sense says that the USAid cuts will result in more deaths in the near future. Anyone arguing differently (or asking for definitive proof of something theoretical but obvious) is high on trumpetamine.
Jesus would be against these cuts.
:nod: But the "Party of Life" has no problem with approximately 14 million more deaths as a result of the cuts.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 10:40 am
kalm wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 10:35 am

Jesus would be against these cuts.
:nod: But the "Party of Life" has no problem with approximately 14 million more deaths as a result of the cuts.
That's always a weird intersection, especially when you throw in abortion and capital punishment. The left has generally been pro-abortion and anti-capital punishment, with the right, the "party of life", being the opposite on both. Neither approach is consistent.
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GannonFan wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 1:12 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 10:40 am
:nod: But the "Party of Life" has no problem with approximately 14 million more deaths as a result of the cuts.
That's always a weird intersection, especially when you throw in abortion and capital punishment. The left has generally been pro-abortion and anti-capital punishment, with the right, the "party of life", being the opposite on both. Neither approach is consistent.
You are correct, neither approach is consistent. Democrats don't call themselves the "party of life" though. I like to point out the hypocrisy of the Republican Party - the party that self identifies as the "party of life" simply because of their opposition to abortion and despite their support for the death penalty, cutting domestic healthcare, and cutting life saving aid to foreign countries.
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