Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

[UNI88]

That’s a load of BS. I haven‘t heard of anyone from MAGA saying don‘t go to the dentist. I go 2x a year (along with brushing, dental floss, and mouth wash 2x a day).

And he pretends that the floss is trump's teeny, tiny, little weenie. The thought of sucking him off and cleaning his teeth gives him such pleasure.

[Caribbean Hen]

C'mon kalm, the Gaza Government Media Office is about as believable as Karoline Leavitt and the trump regime. Who would be foolish enough to believe either one?

Like I said to BDK…I trust Grim and Hassan. Your opinion on the GGMA’s accuracy in reporting causalities comes from where? Honest question.

I’ll give Hamas credit for their fake media campaign and manipulation of the truth. They have to do these things because deep down Hamas knows what Hamas really is.

Jew hating terrorist savages that beheaded babies

[UNI88]

[Caribbean Hen]

Why are they calling it a genocide?

They’re not using the gas chamber to kill people or burning people in cages like the Spanish did in Santo Domingo 500 years ago

[UNI88]

Why are they calling it a genocide?

They’re not using the gas chamber to kill people or burning people in cages like the Spanish did in Santo Domingo 500 years ago

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. The means of that destruction (gas chamber, cages, etc.) is not relevant to determining if it is genocide.

It can be argued that the Israelis are deliberately and systematically destroying the Palestinian people of Gaza.

[Caribbean Hen]

Why are they calling it a genocide?

They’re not using the gas chamber to kill people or burning people in cages like the Spanish did in Santo Domingo 500 years ago

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. The means of that destruction (gas chamber, cages, etc.) is not relevant to determining if it is genocide.

It can be argued that the Israelis are deliberately and systematically destroying the Palestinian people of Gaza.

Yeah, anything could be argued

You would probably argue the USA committed genocide during World War II in Germany, wouldn’t you?

Israel is only trying to make sure that Hamas does not viscously attack them again

It’s not genocide

[UNI88]

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. The means of that destruction (gas chamber, cages, etc.) is not relevant to determining if it is genocide.

It can be argued that the Israelis are deliberately and systematically destroying the Palestinian people of Gaza.

Yeah, anything could be argued

You would probably argue the USA committed genocide during World War II in Germany, wouldn’t you?

Israel is only trying to make sure that Hamas does not viscously attack them again

It’s not genocide

Comparing what the US did in Germany during WWII to what Israel is doing in Gaza now is ridiculous. They aren't even close.

It's your opinion that it isn't genocide but the argument that it is is valid/legitimate and can't be dismissed out of hand. Innocents are being bombed, are starving, are being denied access to aid and basic necessities.

I agree with you that hamas should be eliminated as a terrorist threat but not at any cost.

[Baldy]

The New York Times ran a front-page story about a starving child in Gaza, but at least to their credit (somewhat), they have now admitted it was completely made up.

The Gaza Health Ministry = Hamas = The New York Times.

[Caribbean Hen]

Yeah, anything could be argued

You would probably argue the USA committed genocide during World War II in Germany, wouldn’t you?

Israel is only trying to make sure that Hamas does not viscously attack them again

It’s not genocide

Comparing what the US did in Germany during WWII to what Israel is doing in Gaza now is ridiculous. They aren't even close.

It's your opinion that it isn't genocide but the argument that it is is valid/legitimate and can't be dismissed out of hand. Innocents are being bombed, are starving, are being denied access to aid and basic necessities.

I agree with you that hamas should be eliminated as a terrorist threat but not at any cost.

Innocents will be killed because Hamas doesn’t care anything about them…. Cowards hiding and taking cover among innocent civilians

Hamas is also hoarding food

[BDKJMU]

The New York Times ran a front-page story about a starving child in Gaza, but at least to their credit (somewhat), they have now admitted it was completely made up.

The Gaza Health Ministry = Hamas = The New York Times.

And Kalm has been buying the Hamas propaganda hook, line, and sinker..

[UNI88]

The New York Times ran a front-page story about a starving child in Gaza, but at least to their credit (somewhat), they have now admitted it was completely made up.

The Gaza Health Ministry = Hamas = The New York Times.

And Kalm has been buying the Hamas propaganda hook, line, and sinker..

Was it completely made up? The added paragraph is as follows:

Mohammed, according to his doctor, had pre-existing health problems affecting his brain and his muscle development. But his health deteriorated rapidly in recent months as it became increasingly difficult to find food and medical care, and the medical clinic that treated him said he suffers from severe malnutrition.

NYT Adds Sick Editors’ Note to Viral Photo of Child Starving in Gaza

Regardless one story that's missing some context isn't enough to discredit accurate ones.

Trump acknowledges ‘real starvation’ in Gaza and tells Israel to let in ‘every ounce of food’

Netanyahu’s claim of no starvation in Gaza contradicts widespread reports of a growing hunger crisis

[kalm]

The New York Times ran a front-page story about a starving child in Gaza, but at least to their credit (somewhat), they have now admitted it was completely made up.

The Gaza Health Ministry = Hamas = The New York Times.

And Kalm has been buying the Hamas propaganda hook, line, and sinker..

I don’t read the NYT. Is it still propaganda?

Yet you believe BiBi?

Have fun supporting genocidal terrorists I guess.

[Caribbean Hen]

And Kalm has been buying the Hamas propaganda hook, line, and sinker..

I don’t read the NYT. Is it still propaganda?

Yet you believe BiBi?

Have fun supporting genocidal terrorists I guess.

Not a very educated comment from you junior

Indoctrination did this to you

[kalm]

I don’t read the NYT. Is it still propaganda?

Yet you believe BiBi?

Have fun supporting genocidal terrorists I guess.

Not a very educated comment from you junior

Indoctrination did this to you

The entire world is seeing it and hearing the admissions coming from the Israeli government.

I’ll hand it to you. You have a penchant for supporting fascism, violence, and all the bad guys. Bravo.

[Caribbean Hen]

Not a very educated comment from you junior

Indoctrination did this to you

The entire world is seeing it and hearing the admissions coming from the Israeli government.

I’ll hand it to you. You have a penchant for supporting fascism, violence, and all the bad guys. Bravo.

You’re a little radical world might be saying it but that doesn’t make it true

Not a genocide

[UNI88]

The entire world is seeing it and hearing the admissions coming from the Israeli government.

I’ll hand it to you. You have a penchant for supporting fascism, violence, and all the bad guys. Bravo.

You’re a little radical world might be saying it but that doesn’t make it true

Not a genocide

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Many others disagree and many of them are quite reasonable.

[Caribbean Hen]

The entire world is seeing it and hearing the admissions coming from the Israeli government.

I’ll hand it to you. You have a penchant for supporting fascism, violence, and all the bad guys. Bravo.

You’re a little radical world might be saying it but that doesn’t make it true

Not a genocide

The actions of Hamas will only help Israel win final argument in court

People have agendas, and it seems most of the agenda is supporting Hamas. the Palestinians are the real victims caught in the crossfire because of the actions of Hamas

A real genocide is the Holocaust. Nobody was helping the Jews

[kalm]

You’re a little radical world might be saying it but that doesn’t make it true

Not a genocide

The actions of Hamas will only help Israel win final argument in court

People have agendas, and it seems most of the agenda is supporting Hamas. the Palestinians are the real victims caught in the crossfire because of the actions of Hamas

A real genocide is the Holocaust. Nobody was helping the Jews

You haven’t read any direct quotes from the Israeli government, seen the footage of the wanton slaughter, heard of the war crimes charges…and it shows.

[GannonFan]

I don't think there's any doubt that Israel has committed war crimes throughout their war with Hamas since the Oct 7 massacre by Hamas that kicked off this latest war (the Oct 7 massacre also a massive war crime by Hamas). But what's been shocking over these last couple of months is the complete lack of depth of any reporting on the situation in Gaza. People seemed content to just go with the "it's genocide" story and not dig any deeper than that. Even governments now, from France, the UK, and Canada, seem to be acting just on that notion as well (although, even the news reporting on those countries moves seems more headline driven that what's being proposed - again, journalism is missing the depth and context of those stories).

Almost all of the reporting coming out of Gaza is Hamas-sourced, either just directly from Hamas or passed down through government agencies that are, again, Hamas controlled. Every day now the news drumbeat is Gaza doesn't have food, people are dying, and Israel is solely responsible. But that's where most reporting stops. People like kalm will then make pithy posts or social media posts calling it genocide, and just wait for the next proof of genocide to post that. Rarely, if ever, do we hear about the dispute between the UN and Israel regarding the distribution of the mountain of food that sits waiting to be delivered in Gaza. The food and supplies are available, but don't get delivered. The UN won't go into Gaza with Isreal protection, instead wanting to only work with Hamas. And the UN doesn't want anything to do with the Israel/US setup for delivering food - they want to decide how the food gets delivered, again, with assistance/direction from Hamas. Where is this reporting? Why isn't this mentioned more? What's the motivation for the UN to only want to work with Hamas?

Same thing happens with the daily drumbeat of deaths in Gaza. It's daily that we're told how many have died (again, provided by a Hamas group). But there's no details anymore on how they died - when people are shot, who did the shooting? Why did the shooting occur? Sometimes it'll be reported that the Israelis fired in some direction, but there are stories where Israel's not even mentioned - no one is, other than the dead. Hamas's main operation is to embed with civilian populations - I don't think any reasonable person doubts that assertion. How many of these deaths are because Hamas is doing that? How often has Hamas attacked Israeli forces at food distribution points, civilian deaths be damned? There are sometimes reports, from Gazans themselves, that Hamas doles out severe punishments, including death, for anyone who takes food from Israeli distribution points (rather than relying on Hamas for food). Why does that not get talked about? Civilian deaths don't help Israel's cause at all - if they really wanted a pure genocide, they could be far more lethal in that undertaking than they've been. So why the slow approach? Hamas wants civilian deaths, it's their biggest weapon against the Israelis as it prompts countries not paying close attention, say like a France, to take Hamas's side. Maybe not all civilian deaths are caused by Israel? Wouldn't it be great to have journalists report in better detail about what's going on? I think so.

[kalm]

I don't think there's any doubt that Israel has committed war crimes throughout their war with Hamas since the Oct 7 massacre by Hamas that kicked off this latest war (the Oct 7 massacre also a massive war crime by Hamas). But what's been shocking over these last couple of months is the complete lack of depth of any reporting on the situation in Gaza. People seemed content to just go with the "it's genocide" story and not dig any deeper than that. Even governments now, from France, the UK, and Canada, seem to be acting just on that notion as well (although, even the news reporting on those countries moves seems more headline driven that what's being proposed - again, journalism is missing the depth and context of those stories).

Almost all of the reporting coming out of Gaza is Hamas-sourced, either just directly from Hamas or passed down through government agencies that are, again, Hamas controlled. Every day now the news drumbeat is Gaza doesn't have food, people are dying, and Israel is solely responsible. But that's where most reporting stops. People like kalm will then make pithy posts or social media posts calling it genocide, and just wait for the next proof of genocide to post that. Rarely, if ever, do we hear about the dispute between the UN and Israel regarding the distribution of the mountain of food that sits waiting to be delivered in Gaza. The food and supplies are available, but don't get delivered. The UN won't go into Gaza with Isreal protection, instead wanting to only work with Hamas. And the UN doesn't want anything to do with the Israel/US setup for delivering food - they want to decide how the food gets delivered, again, with assistance/direction from Hamas. Where is this reporting? Why isn't this mentioned more? What's the motivation for the UN to only want to work with Hamas?

Same thing happens with the daily drumbeat of deaths in Gaza. It's daily that we're told how many have died (again, provided by a Hamas group). But there's no details anymore on how they died - when people are shot, who did the shooting? Why did the shooting occur? Sometimes it'll be reported that the Israelis fired in some direction, but there are stories where Israel's not even mentioned - no one is, other than the dead. Hamas's main operation is to embed with civilian populations - I don't think any reasonable person doubts that assertion. How many of these deaths are because Hamas is doing that? How often has Hamas attacked Israeli forces at food distribution points, civilian deaths be damned? There are sometimes reports, from Gazans themselves, that Hamas doles out severe punishments, including death, for anyone who takes food from Israeli distribution points (rather than relying on Hamas for food). Why does that not get talked about? Civilian deaths don't help Israel's cause at all - if they really wanted a pure genocide, they could be far more lethal in that undertaking than they've been. So why the slow approach? Hamas wants civilian deaths, it's their biggest weapon against the Israelis as it prompts countries not paying close attention, say like a France, to take Hamas's side. Maybe not all civilian deaths are caused by Israel? Wouldn't it be great to have journalists report in better detail about what's going on? I think so.

You and I have different sources then unless you’re talking about establishment media. Publications like Drop Site News, the Intercept, the Guardian, The Prospect all continue to cover it daily. There are a ton of podcast and YouTube channels as well like Mehdi Hassan’s new venture.

U.S. establishment media has given Israel way too many passes on this. If anything, the totality of the destruction and slaughter of civilians has been under-reported by the msm.

[GannonFan]

I don't think there's any doubt that Israel has committed war crimes throughout their war with Hamas since the Oct 7 massacre by Hamas that kicked off this latest war (the Oct 7 massacre also a massive war crime by Hamas). But what's been shocking over these last couple of months is the complete lack of depth of any reporting on the situation in Gaza. People seemed content to just go with the "it's genocide" story and not dig any deeper than that. Even governments now, from France, the UK, and Canada, seem to be acting just on that notion as well (although, even the news reporting on those countries moves seems more headline driven that what's being proposed - again, journalism is missing the depth and context of those stories).

Almost all of the reporting coming out of Gaza is Hamas-sourced, either just directly from Hamas or passed down through government agencies that are, again, Hamas controlled. Every day now the news drumbeat is Gaza doesn't have food, people are dying, and Israel is solely responsible. But that's where most reporting stops. People like kalm will then make pithy posts or social media posts calling it genocide, and just wait for the next proof of genocide to post that. Rarely, if ever, do we hear about the dispute between the UN and Israel regarding the distribution of the mountain of food that sits waiting to be delivered in Gaza. The food and supplies are available, but don't get delivered. The UN won't go into Gaza with Isreal protection, instead wanting to only work with Hamas. And the UN doesn't want anything to do with the Israel/US setup for delivering food - they want to decide how the food gets delivered, again, with assistance/direction from Hamas. Where is this reporting? Why isn't this mentioned more? What's the motivation for the UN to only want to work with Hamas?

Same thing happens with the daily drumbeat of deaths in Gaza. It's daily that we're told how many have died (again, provided by a Hamas group). But there's no details anymore on how they died - when people are shot, who did the shooting? Why did the shooting occur? Sometimes it'll be reported that the Israelis fired in some direction, but there are stories where Israel's not even mentioned - no one is, other than the dead. Hamas's main operation is to embed with civilian populations - I don't think any reasonable person doubts that assertion. How many of these deaths are because Hamas is doing that? How often has Hamas attacked Israeli forces at food distribution points, civilian deaths be damned? There are sometimes reports, from Gazans themselves, that Hamas doles out severe punishments, including death, for anyone who takes food from Israeli distribution points (rather than relying on Hamas for food). Why does that not get talked about? Civilian deaths don't help Israel's cause at all - if they really wanted a pure genocide, they could be far more lethal in that undertaking than they've been. So why the slow approach? Hamas wants civilian deaths, it's their biggest weapon against the Israelis as it prompts countries not paying close attention, say like a France, to take Hamas's side. Maybe not all civilian deaths are caused by Israel? Wouldn't it be great to have journalists report in better detail about what's going on? I think so.

You and I have different sources then unless you’re talking about establishment media. Publications like Drop Site News, the Intercept, the Guardian, The Prospect all continue to cover it daily. There are a ton of podcast and YouTube channels as well like Mehdi Hassan’s new venture.

U.S. establishment media has given Israel way too many passes on this. If anything, the totality of the destruction and slaughter of civilians has been under-reported by the msm.

Then it should be easy to report. Who is killing whom when people are dying? Saw a news report the other day, up to 50 Palestinians were killed in the vicinity of a food distribution site. No mention of who shot them, no mention of what led to the shooting. So what happened to those poor souls?

What gives then with the UN only wanting to distribute food with Hamas's help? Why is the UN making that decision to hold back food distribution if they can't work with Hamas?

[BDKJMU]

And Kalm has been buying the Hamas propaganda hook, line, and sinker..

Was it completely made up? The added paragraph is as follows:

Mohammed, according to his doctor, had pre-existing health problems affecting his brain and his muscle development. But his health deteriorated rapidly in recent months as it became increasingly difficult to find food and medical care, and the medical clinic that treated him said he suffers from severe malnutrition.

NYT Adds Sick Editors’ Note to Viral Photo of Child Starving in Gaza

Regardless one story that's missing some context isn't enough to discredit accurate ones.

Trump acknowledges ‘real starvation’ in Gaza and tells Israel to let in ‘every ounce of food’

Netanyahu’s claim of no starvation in Gaza contradicts widespread reports of a growing hunger crisis

It was a photo of a child with a preexisting condition (not mentioned) and a healthy looking brother cropped out. If there was starvation in that family, why was the brother healthy looking cropped out by the Hamas propagandists? It is the very definition of FAKE NEWS propaganda. If the original story was top of the fold front page, but the correction isn‘t top of the fold front page, but the 1/2 ass correction is buried pages within the paper where nobody reads it, that is propaganda.

What are the odds that there are thousands of starving children all over Gaza but the NYT puts a photo of a child who is not starving but has cystic fibrosis on the front page of the newspaper? You don‘t think there‘s any Hamas propagandizing going on here?

[UNI88]

I don't think there's any doubt that Israel has committed war crimes throughout their war with Hamas since the Oct 7 massacre by Hamas that kicked off this latest war (the Oct 7 massacre also a massive war crime by Hamas). But what's been shocking over these last couple of months is the complete lack of depth of any reporting on the situation in Gaza. People seemed content to just go with the "it's genocide" story and not dig any deeper than that. Even governments now, from France, the UK, and Canada, seem to be acting just on that notion as well (although, even the news reporting on those countries moves seems more headline driven that what's being proposed - again, journalism is missing the depth and context of those stories).

Almost all of the reporting coming out of Gaza is Hamas-sourced, either just directly from Hamas or passed down through government agencies that are, again, Hamas controlled. Every day now the news drumbeat is Gaza doesn't have food, people are dying, and Israel is solely responsible. But that's where most reporting stops. People like kalm will then make pithy posts or social media posts calling it genocide, and just wait for the next proof of genocide to post that. Rarely, if ever, do we hear about the dispute between the UN and Israel regarding the distribution of the mountain of food that sits waiting to be delivered in Gaza. The food and supplies are available, but don't get delivered. The UN won't go into Gaza with Isreal protection, instead wanting to only work with Hamas. And the UN doesn't want anything to do with the Israel/US setup for delivering food - they want to decide how the food gets delivered, again, with assistance/direction from Hamas. Where is this reporting? Why isn't this mentioned more? What's the motivation for the UN to only want to work with Hamas?

Same thing happens with the daily drumbeat of deaths in Gaza. It's daily that we're told how many have died (again, provided by a Hamas group). But there's no details anymore on how they died - when people are shot, who did the shooting? Why did the shooting occur? Sometimes it'll be reported that the Israelis fired in some direction, but there are stories where Israel's not even mentioned - no one is, other than the dead. Hamas's main operation is to embed with civilian populations - I don't think any reasonable person doubts that assertion. How many of these deaths are because Hamas is doing that? How often has Hamas attacked Israeli forces at food distribution points, civilian deaths be damned? There are sometimes reports, from Gazans themselves, that Hamas doles out severe punishments, including death, for anyone who takes food from Israeli distribution points (rather than relying on Hamas for food). Why does that not get talked about? Civilian deaths don't help Israel's cause at all - if they really wanted a pure genocide, they could be far more lethal in that undertaking than they've been. So why the slow approach? Hamas wants civilian deaths, it's their biggest weapon against the Israelis as it prompts countries not paying close attention, say like a France, to take Hamas's side. Maybe not all civilian deaths are caused by Israel? Wouldn't it be great to have journalists report in better detail about what's going on? I think so.

Whether Israel is committing genocide is debatable. Whether they're committing war crimes really isn't.

[Bobcat]

Like I said to BDK…I trust Grim and Hassan. Your opinion on the GGMA’s accuracy in reporting causalities comes from where? Honest question.

I’ll give Hamas credit for their fake media campaign and manipulation of the truth. They have to do these things because deep down Hamas knows what Hamas really is.

Jew hating terrorist savages that beheaded babies

Yep that is why they need to be relieved from earth

[Bobcat]

I don't think there's any doubt that Israel has committed war crimes throughout their war with Hamas since the Oct 7 massacre by Hamas that kicked off this latest war (the Oct 7 massacre also a massive war crime by Hamas). But what's been shocking over these last couple of months is the complete lack of depth of any reporting on the situation in Gaza. People seemed content to just go with the "it's genocide" story and not dig any deeper than that. Even governments now, from France, the UK, and Canada, seem to be acting just on that notion as well (although, even the news reporting on those countries moves seems more headline driven that what's being proposed - again, journalism is missing the depth and context of those stories).

Almost all of the reporting coming out of Gaza is Hamas-sourced, either just directly from Hamas or passed down through government agencies that are, again, Hamas controlled. Every day now the news drumbeat is Gaza doesn't have food, people are dying, and Israel is solely responsible. But that's where most reporting stops. People like kalm will then make pithy posts or social media posts calling it genocide, and just wait for the next proof of genocide to post that. Rarely, if ever, do we hear about the dispute between the UN and Israel regarding the distribution of the mountain of food that sits waiting to be delivered in Gaza. The food and supplies are available, but don't get delivered. The UN won't go into Gaza with Isreal protection, instead wanting to only work with Hamas. And the UN doesn't want anything to do with the Israel/US setup for delivering food - they want to decide how the food gets delivered, again, with assistance/direction from Hamas. Where is this reporting? Why isn't this mentioned more? What's the motivation for the UN to only want to work with Hamas?

Same thing happens with the daily drumbeat of deaths in Gaza. It's daily that we're told how many have died (again, provided by a Hamas group). But there's no details anymore on how they died - when people are shot, who did the shooting? Why did the shooting occur? Sometimes it'll be reported that the Israelis fired in some direction, but there are stories where Israel's not even mentioned - no one is, other than the dead. Hamas's main operation is to embed with civilian populations - I don't think any reasonable person doubts that assertion. How many of these deaths are because Hamas is doing that? How often has Hamas attacked Israeli forces at food distribution points, civilian deaths be damned? There are sometimes reports, from Gazans themselves, that Hamas doles out severe punishments, including death, for anyone who takes food from Israeli distribution points (rather than relying on Hamas for food). Why does that not get talked about? Civilian deaths don't help Israel's cause at all - if they really wanted a pure genocide, they could be far more lethal in that undertaking than they've been. So why the slow approach? Hamas wants civilian deaths, it's their biggest weapon against the Israelis as it prompts countries not paying close attention, say like a France, to take Hamas's side. Maybe not all civilian deaths are caused by Israel? Wouldn't it be great to have journalists report in better detail about what's going on? I think so.

Whether Israel is committing genocide is debatable. Whether they're committing war crimes really isn't.

If you dont want the smoke dont attack Israel.

Hamas did this to themselves and I don't support terrorists so I don't give a fuck how Israel takes care of them.