Israel-Palestine Drama Thread

[kalm]

You and I have different sources then unless you’re talking about establishment media. Publications like Drop Site News, the Intercept, the Guardian, The Prospect all continue to cover it daily. There are a ton of podcast and YouTube channels as well like Mehdi Hassan’s new venture.

U.S. establishment media has given Israel way too many passes on this. If anything, the totality of the destruction and slaughter of civilians has been under-reported by the msm.

Then it should be easy to report. Who is killing whom when people are dying? Saw a news report the other day, up to 50 Palestinians were killed in the vicinity of a food distribution site. No mention of who shot them, no mention of what led to the shooting. So what happened to those poor souls?

What gives then with the UN only wanting to distribute food with Hamas's help? Why is the UN making that decision to hold back food distribution if they can't work with Hamas?

Seriously? You’re wondering who killed the Palestinians? Look into it and report back if you think there’s some hidden conspiracy.

2nd question is fair. All aid should be accepted if distributed safely. Remember though, it was Israel who stopped the UN originally. It was Israel murdering doctors and other aid workers like the World Central Kitchen folks.

I’ve seen enough to know that Hamas leadership is no worse than the Israeli government who we are funding.

[GannonFan]

Then it should be easy to report. Who is killing whom when people are dying? Saw a news report the other day, up to 50 Palestinians were killed in the vicinity of a food distribution site. No mention of who shot them, no mention of what led to the shooting. So what happened to those poor souls?

What gives then with the UN only wanting to distribute food with Hamas's help? Why is the UN making that decision to hold back food distribution if they can't work with Hamas?

Seriously? You’re wondering who killed the Palestinians? Look into it and report back if you think there’s some hidden conspiracy.

2nd question is fair. All aid should be accepted if distributed safely. Remember though, it was Israel who stopped the UN originally. It was Israel murdering doctors and other aid workers like the World Central Kitchen folks.

I’ve seen enough to know that Hamas leadership is no worse than the Israeli government who we are funding.

How do you know who's killing whom? For sure, I'd wager that Israel has killed a large number of Palestinians. But how can you be sure it's always the Israelis when 1) there aren't very many journalists, if any, in Gaza right now to do the investigative work and 2) there are plenty of credible accounts, from people in Gaza, of Hamas killing Palestinians who protest Hamas's rule or who they think could be collaborating with Israel or at the least in opposition to Hamas? And that doesn't even include Palestinians who could be killed in crossfire when Hamas and Israelis are firing at each other. Again, Hamas's big weapon has always been embedding with civilians and then using civilian deaths to advance their cause.

And yes, food should be distributed safely. But considering all the ties between the UN and Hamas, and again, very credible reports that Hamas would commandeer food distribution and prioritize it for their fighters and their supporters, while withholding it from others and especially the opposition inside Gaza, it certainly makes the UN not look like an honest broker in this.

Israel today, for all of its war crimes and oppression of Palestinians, none of which is acceptable for a modern day country, and, following this war, should be held accountable via real war crime courts, still pales in comparison with the Hamas organization and leadership. An organization that still denies humanity of all Jews, still denies the right of Israel to even exist, calls for the mass slaughter of all Jews, and cheered on the massacre that started this recent war, when Hamas fighters ripped the limbs off of Jewish women in the street while they were raping them, among other depravities. Your view of Hamas seems to ignore a whole lot of awfulness.

[kalm]

Seriously? You’re wondering who killed the Palestinians? Look into it and report back if you think there’s some hidden conspiracy.

2nd question is fair. All aid should be accepted if distributed safely. Remember though, it was Israel who stopped the UN originally. It was Israel murdering doctors and other aid workers like the World Central Kitchen folks.

I’ve seen enough to know that Hamas leadership is no worse than the Israeli government who we are funding.

How do you know who's killing whom? For sure, I'd wager that Israel has killed a large number of Palestinians. But how can you be sure it's always the Israelis when 1) there aren't very many journalists, if any, in Gaza right now to do the investigative work and 2) there are plenty of credible accounts, from people in Gaza, of Hamas killing Palestinians who protest Hamas's rule or who they think could be collaborating with Israel or at the least in opposition to Hamas? And that doesn't even include Palestinians who could be killed in crossfire when Hamas and Israelis are firing at each other. Again, Hamas's big weapon has always been embedding with civilians and then using civilian deaths to advance their cause.

And yes, food should be distributed safely. But considering all the ties between the UN and Hamas, and again, very credible reports that Hamas would commandeer food distribution and prioritize it for their fighters and their supporters, while withholding it from others and especially the opposition inside Gaza, it certainly makes the UN not look like an honest broker in this.

Israel today, for all of its war crimes and oppression of Palestinians, none of which is acceptable for a modern day country, and, following this war, should be held accountable via real war crime courts, still pales in comparison with the Hamas organization and leadership. An organization that still denies humanity of all Jews, still denies the right of Israel to even exist, calls for the mass slaughter of all Jews, and cheered on the massacre that started this recent war, when Hamas fighters ripped the limbs off of Jewish women in the street while they were raping them, among other depravities. Your view of Hamas seems to ignore a whole lot of awfulness.

You couldn’t explain Israel’s or the majority of western establishment media’s take any better. That’s part of the problem with our support of Israel.

[GannonFan]

How do you know who's killing whom? For sure, I'd wager that Israel has killed a large number of Palestinians. But how can you be sure it's always the Israelis when 1) there aren't very many journalists, if any, in Gaza right now to do the investigative work and 2) there are plenty of credible accounts, from people in Gaza, of Hamas killing Palestinians who protest Hamas's rule or who they think could be collaborating with Israel or at the least in opposition to Hamas? And that doesn't even include Palestinians who could be killed in crossfire when Hamas and Israelis are firing at each other. Again, Hamas's big weapon has always been embedding with civilians and then using civilian deaths to advance their cause.

And yes, food should be distributed safely. But considering all the ties between the UN and Hamas, and again, very credible reports that Hamas would commandeer food distribution and prioritize it for their fighters and their supporters, while withholding it from others and especially the opposition inside Gaza, it certainly makes the UN not look like an honest broker in this.

Israel today, for all of its war crimes and oppression of Palestinians, none of which is acceptable for a modern day country, and, following this war, should be held accountable via real war crime courts, still pales in comparison with the Hamas organization and leadership. An organization that still denies humanity of all Jews, still denies the right of Israel to even exist, calls for the mass slaughter of all Jews, and cheered on the massacre that started this recent war, when Hamas fighters ripped the limbs off of Jewish women in the street while they were raping them, among other depravities. Your view of Hamas seems to ignore a whole lot of awfulness.

You couldn’t explain Israel’s or the majority of western establishment media’s take any better. That’s part of the problem with our support of Israel.

Hey, I don't think you could be supporting a terrorist organization like Hamas any better than you're doing too. That's the problem with your blind (at least with regards to Hamas) leap to label the war a genocide and pick a side. Decisiveness isn't an attribute if it disregards accuracy.

[Bobcat]

Yep, if Hamas didnt want to be obliterated they never should have attacked Israel.

The gloves are off and no rules should apply.

[kalm]

You couldn’t explain Israel’s or the majority of western establishment media’s take any better. That’s part of the problem with our support of Israel.

Hey, I don't think you could be supporting a terrorist organization like Hamas any better than you're doing too. That's the problem with your blind (at least with regards to Hamas) leap to label the war a genocide and pick a side. Decisiveness isn't an attribute if it disregards accuracy.

Yeah yeah…and next I’ll be labeled anti-Semitic too. Find one instance where I supported Hamas. I can’t stand theocrats and authoritarians regardless. I support peace and not killing innocent civilians. Hamas is a terrier group who killed innocents too. It’s really that simple. I’m sorry you’re picking sides in this.

[BDKJMU]

And Kalm has been buying the Hamas propaganda hook, line, and sinker..

I don’t read the NYT. Is it still propaganda?

Yet you believe BiBi?

Have fun supporting genocidal terrorists I guess.

Yes.

Mostly.

Have fun supporting people who elected genocidal terrorists I guess.

[BDKJMU]

You’re a little radical world might be saying it but that doesn’t make it true

Not a genocide

The actions of Hamas will only help Israel win final argument in court

People have agendas, and it seems most of the agenda is supporting Hamas. the Palestinians are the real victims caught in the crossfire because of the actions of Hamas

A real genocide is the Holocaust. Nobody was helping the Jews

And the Palestinian people elected Hamas. Unless the elections were rigged, you get what you vote for.

[kalm]

I don’t read the NYT. Is it still propaganda?

Yet you believe BiBi?

Have fun supporting genocidal terrorists I guess.

Yes.

Mostly.

Have fun supporting people who elected genocidal terrorists I guess.

Over half the population was too young to vote. Around 40 % of the population today is 16 or younger. So yes…I support people who didn’t ask for this from their leaders or were too young to vote them into power.

[GannonFan]

Hey, I don't think you could be supporting a terrorist organization like Hamas any better than you're doing too. That's the problem with your blind (at least with regards to Hamas) leap to label the war a genocide and pick a side. Decisiveness isn't an attribute if it disregards accuracy.

Yeah yeah…and next I’ll be labeled anti-Semitic too. Find one instance where I supported Hamas. I can’t stand theocrats and authoritarians regardless. I support peace and not killing innocent civilians. Hamas is a terrier group who killed innocents too. It’s really that simple. I’m sorry you’re picking sides in this.

I'm not really picking a side, but I'm certainly not saying Hamas is just like anyone else. What's happening today in Gaza is exactly what they want and reeling in poor saps like you has always been the way they operate. At least, with the UK and France endorsements of the two state solution, those countries are still, buried beneath the headlines, stipulating that Hamas needs to be eliminated. When you say you support peace but still allow Hamas to exist, you're not supporting peace.

[kalm]

Yeah yeah…and next I’ll be labeled anti-Semitic too. Find one instance where I supported Hamas. I can’t stand theocrats and authoritarians regardless. I support peace and not killing innocent civilians. Hamas is a terrier group who killed innocents too. It’s really that simple. I’m sorry you’re picking sides in this.

I'm not really picking a side, but I'm certainly not saying Hamas is just like anyone else. What's happening today in Gaza is exactly what they want and reeling in poor saps like you has always been the way they operate. At least, with the UK and France endorsements of the two state solution, those countries are still, buried beneath the headlines, stipulating that Hamas needs to be eliminated. When you say you support peace but still allow Hamas to exist, you're not supporting peace.

Try making more assumptions. Maybe one will eventually stick.

[GannonFan]

I'm not really picking a side, but I'm certainly not saying Hamas is just like anyone else. What's happening today in Gaza is exactly what they want and reeling in poor saps like you has always been the way they operate. At least, with the UK and France endorsements of the two state solution, those countries are still, buried beneath the headlines, stipulating that Hamas needs to be eliminated. When you say you support peace but still allow Hamas to exist, you're not supporting peace.

Try making more assumptions. Maybe one will eventually stick.

Are you done debating then and checking out of this discussion? What assumptions? What's not sticking? I'm sorry this is too complicated for you that it can't be wrapped up in a meme or a smarmy one liner.

[Caribbean Hen]

The actions of Hamas will only help Israel win final argument in court

People have agendas, and it seems most of the agenda is supporting Hamas. the Palestinians are the real victims caught in the crossfire because of the actions of Hamas

A real genocide is the Holocaust. Nobody was helping the Jews

You haven’t read any direct quotes from the Israeli government, seen the footage of the wanton slaughter, heard of the war crimes charges…and it shows.

And maybe you’re a victim of the Hamas “Ringling Brothers Barnham & Bailey” media campaign…. It shows

Maybe you’ve been influenced by those other videos of horrors that you mentioned and you’re trying to bring them into this situation in error

[Bobcat]

One really has to marvel at how a person raised in America can support Hamas the way Kkkalm and Hamas88 do?

[UNI88]

One really has to marvel at how a person raised in America can support Hamas the way Kkkalm and Hamas88 do?

I usually ignore you like the yapping chihuahua you are but I'll respond to this one - quote the posts where I've supported hamas or STFU.

[Bobcat]

I don't care about the thoughts of people that like Luigi Mangione. So please keep ignoring me

[Caribbean Hen]

Estimates are that Hamas has stolen between 80 to 97% of the food that was intended to feed the Palestinians

From Huckabee - the Palestinians are so feed up with Hamas they want them out for good and welcome Americans in Gaza

So much more fake propaganda coming out of Gaza, as every media source is controlled by Hamas…

You cannot believe anything that Hamas puts out and Klam parrots

[Bobcat]

Hamasturbaters like Kkkalm and mGR88 will always side with the terrorists

[kalm]

Estimates are that Hamas has stolen between 80 to 97% of the food that was intended to feed the Palestinians

From Huckabee - the Palestinians are so feed up with Hamas they want them out for good and welcome Americans in Gaza

So much more fake propaganda coming out of Gaza, as every media source is controlled by Hamas…

You cannot believe anything that Hamas puts out and Klam parrots

There’s no evidence Hamas has been stealing food. Even Trump’s State Department has found nothing. So I guess I shouldn’t parrot the propaganda of our State Department or every neutral news agency?

But hey…let’s starve and kill 10’s of 1000’s of little kids just to be sure.

I’ve never been pro Hamas. You can’t find one post where I suggest that I am. Leadership on both sides has been stated issue since the start.

But I’m sure you’re on the right side of history here. Just as I’m sure you’re an honest person.

[kalm]

Hamasturbaters like Kkkalm and mGR88 will always side with the terrorists

Not true! I, in no way, side with the Jewish settlers, illegally occupying the West Bank, who murdered a U.S. citizen this week.

[Caribbean Hen]

Estimates are that Hamas has stolen between 80 to 97% of the food that was intended to feed the Palestinians

From Huckabee - the Palestinians are so feed up with Hamas they want them out for good and welcome Americans in Gaza

So much more fake propaganda coming out of Gaza, as every media source is controlled by Hamas…

You cannot believe anything that Hamas puts out and Klam parrots

There’s no evidence Hamas has been stealing food. Even Trump’s State Department has found nothing. So I guess I shouldn’t parrot the propaganda of our State Department or every neutral news agency?

But hey…let’s starve and kill 10’s of 1000’s of little kids just to be sure.

I’ve never been pro Hamas. You can’t find one post where I suggest that I am. Leadership on both sides has been stated issue since the start.

But I’m sure you’re on the right side of history here. Just as I’m sure you’re an honest person.

No evidence ? what about the pictures of those starving kids you post every day

Of course they’re stealing food

[kalm]

There’s no evidence Hamas has been stealing food. Even Trump’s State Department has found nothing. So I guess I shouldn’t parrot the propaganda of our State Department or every neutral news agency?

But hey…let’s starve and kill 10’s of 1000’s of little kids just to be sure.

I’ve never been pro Hamas. You can’t find one post where I suggest that I am. Leadership on both sides has been stated issue since the start.

But I’m sure you’re on the right side of history here. Just as I’m sure you’re an honest person.

No evidence ? what about the pictures of those starving kids you post every day

Of course they’re stealing food

That’s evidence that kids are starving. That’s not evidence it’s because Hamas is stealing food.

The mathematics of famine are simple in Gaza. Palestinians cannot leave, war has ended farming and Israel has banned fishing, so practically every calorie its population eats must be brought in from outside.

Israel knows how much food is needed. It has been calibrating hunger in Gaza for decades, initially calculating shipments to exert pressure while avoiding starvation.

“The idea is to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger,” a senior adviser to the then prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said in 2006. An Israeli court ordered the release of documents showing the details of those macabre sums two years later.

Cogat, the Israeli agency that still controls aid shipments to Gaza, calculated then that Palestinians needed an average minimum 2,279 calories per person per day, which could be provided through 1.836kg of food.

Today, humanitarian organisations are asking for an even smaller minimum ration: 62,000 metric tonnes of dry and canned food to meet basic needs for 2.1 million people each month, or around 1kg of food per person per day.

As Gaza has slid into famine this summer, Israeli officials have variously denied the existence of mass starvation, claimed without evidence that Hamas steals and hoards aid, or blamed hunger on UN distribution failures, sharing pictures of aid pallets awaiting collection inside the border.

They pointed to deadly and chaotic food distributions by the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, a US and Israeli-backed logistics startup, as proof that Palestinians had access to food.

Yet data compiled and published by Israel’s own government makes clear that it has been starving Gaza. Between March and June, Israel allowed just 56,000 tonnes of food to enter the territory, Cogat records show, less than a quarter of Gaza’s minimum needs for that period.

Even if every bag of UN flour had been collected and handed out, and the GHF had developed safe systems for equitable distribution, starvation was inevitable. Palestinians did not have enough to eat.

A “worst-case scenario” famine is now unfolding in Gaza, UN-backed food security experts said this week. Food deliveries are “at a scale far below what is needed”, amid “drastic restrictions on the entry of supplies”, the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) said in a report citing Israeli figures on aid.

The Famine Review Committee, an independent group of experts that scrutinises IPC alerts, said food shipments “have been highly inadequate”, and singled out the GHF.

“Our analysis of the food packages supplied by the GHF shows that their distribution plan would lead to mass starvation, even if it was able to function without the appalling levels of violence that have been reported,” the FRC said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/ ... SApp_Other

[Caribbean Hen]

Israel providing food to the enemy in war is unprecedented

Hamas is a propaganda machine and unfortunately for the Palestinians, some people not only believe it but parrot it

[kalm]

Israel providing food to the enemy in war is unprecedented

Hamas is a propaganda machine and unfortunately for the Palestinians, some people not only believe it but parrot it

Providing food to non-combatants is not unprecedented.

Hamas is a propaganda machine just like the Netanyahu government. Fortunately, there are news organizations, risking their lives on the ground to report what’s happening.

[kalm]