charlie kirk's murder - How much do you care?

[Caribbean Hen]

Explain why cities are not burning, no looting and no vandalism

Right after you explain why cities didn't burn and there was no looting and vandalism after Melissa Hortman was assassinated?

Did a seditious MAQA yahoo mob not storm the US Capitol on January 6 after hearing trump tell them they had to fight like hell or they wouldn't have a country?

Open you eyes and see the truth - the language of trump and MAQA yahoos is also incendiary and contributing to division in this country.

Who is Melissa Hortman? Is she white?

[Caribbean Hen]

Who are the Karens answering 10?

Be a real man and put your position and reasoning out there.

Please change my vote from 9 to 10

People who don’t care and celebrate public slaughter are demons without faith in God

[UNI88]

Who are the Karens answering 10?

Be a real man and put your position and reasoning out there.

Please change my vote from 9 to 10

People who don’t care and celebrate public slaughter are demons without faith in God

People who don’t care and celebrate or excuse seditious riots are also demons without faith in God.

[BDKJMU]

Who are the Karens answering 10?

Be a real man and put your position and reasoning out there.

Please change my vote from 9 to 10

People who don’t care and celebrate public slaughter are demons without faith in God

Yeah, I concur on changing my vote from 9 to 10 also.

And notice how almost everyone is at 9/10 or 0/1/2. Hardly any in the middle.

[Caribbean Hen]

Please change my vote from 9 to 10

People who don’t care and celebrate public slaughter are demons without faith in God

People who don’t care and celebrate or excuse seditious riots are also demons without faith in God.

The only thing I’ve said, and you never have, about Ashley Babbitt is she got shot and killed that day. I have never supported her for being there.

Your mind is a narrow long and winding road of nothingness

Now update your poll

[SeattleGriz]

A decade voluminous incendiary rhetoric from the left how Trump is Hitler, MAGA are NAZIS, fight like hell (long before Trump’s), the end of democracy, etc, etc, etc, on all platforms (TV, newspapers, internet, social media) led to leftist loons making 2 assassination attempts on Trump, and assassinating Charlie Kirk. Now 50k+ (one claim I heard across all platforms) from all walks of life but esp left leaning fields (teachers, professors, medical) publicly celebrating the assassination. A probably a 100x more not online. By celebrating it, these leftist loons are essentially saying they wish they could have pulled the trigger themselves.

Fuck your both sides ism. When a loon on the right responds in kind, the Left fucking owns it.

It's not my fault - whaaa!

And all of the incendiary things that rightist loons said about Bill Clinton or Obama when they were President were no big deal. This didn't start with trump (or Dubya) and you and MAQA yahoo loons are not innocent. The "the end of democracy" claims aren't that different than MAQA yahoos claims about the "moral decay" of the woke agenda, DEI, etc.
- stephen miller: "This administration is not going to let our society devolve into communist, woke, DEI strangulation.”
- ron deconkis: called wokeness “a cancer that will ultimately destroy the US."

trump is just as guilty of inflaming the situation as the "leftist loons" you decry. He likes to dish it out but he can't take it.

Real alpha males take responsibility for their words and actions.

Then you must not be an alpha male because all you do is whataboutism.

[Ibanez]

Right after you explain why cities didn't burn and there was no looting and vandalism after Melissa Hortman was assassinated?

Did a seditious MAQA yahoo mob not storm the US Capitol on January 6 after hearing trump tell them they had to fight like hell or they wouldn't have a country?

Open you eyes and see the truth - the language of trump and MAQA yahoos is also incendiary and contributing to division in this country.

Who is Melissa Hortman? Is she white?

Seriosuly?
The Democratic state representative that was murderes by a Trumper over the summer. Listen to more independent media and less NewsMaxx.

[Ibanez]

I said a 10. It has nothing to do with what I thought of Kirk. Political violence is awful and inexcusable and with his murder, we’ve crossed the Rubicon. Charlie had the guts to talk and passionately debate people and be respectful. That’s how Democracy works. I didn’t agree with him but I respected how he did it. His death and martyrdom is going to haunt our country.

[Caribbean Hen]

Who is Melissa Hortman? Is she white?

Seriosuly?
The Democratic state representative that was murderes by a Trumper over the summer. Listen to more independent media and less NewsMaxx.

Newsmax … you’re just like all the others

I heard about the murders in Minnesota, I have no idea what her name was

[houndawg]

I said a 10. It has nothing to do with what I thought of Kirk. Political violence is awful and inexcusable and with his murder, we’ve crossed the Rubicon. Charlie had the guts to talk and passionately debate people and be respectful. That’s how Democracy works. I didn’t agree with him but I respected how he did it. His death and martyrdom is going to haunt our country.

"I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk. But Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk." Anon

[GannonFan]

I said a 10. It has nothing to do with what I thought of Kirk. Political violence is awful and inexcusable and with his murder, we’ve crossed the Rubicon. Charlie had the guts to talk and passionately debate people and be respectful. That’s how Democracy works. I didn’t agree with him but I respected how he did it. His death and martyrdom is going to haunt our country.

"I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk. But Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk." Anon

Other than the idea that Kirk never supported political violence as a way to suppress someone else's speech.

[UNI88]

"I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk. But Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk." Anon

Other than the idea that Kirk never supported political violence as a way to suppress someone else's speech.

Houndy was referring to gun deaths not political violence ...

"I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."
- charlie kirk

[houndawg]

"I don't support what happened to Charlie Kirk. But Charlie Kirk supported what happened to Charlie Kirk." Anon

Other than the idea that Kirk never supported political violence as a way to suppress someone else's speech.

I don't know about that - "...public executions, for certain people..." comes pretty close, n'est pas?

[GannonFan]

Other than the idea that Kirk never supported political violence as a way to suppress someone else's speech.

Houndy was referring to gun deaths not political violence ...

"I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."
- charlie kirk

I know what he was referring to, but it's also at odds with the idea that Kirk would've advocated for political assassinations.

[GannonFan]

Other than the idea that Kirk never supported political violence as a way to suppress someone else's speech.

I don't know about that - "...public executions, for certain people..." comes pretty close, n'est pas?

I don't know that one - you'll have to give me more context.

[UNI88]

I don't know about that - "...public executions, for certain people..." comes pretty close, n'est pas?

I don't know that one - you'll have to give me more context.

Charlie Kirk fantasizes about children watching televised executions: “At a certain age, it's an initiation”

About the death penalty: "It should be public. It should be quick. And it should be televised."

Also: "You could have, like, brought to you by Coca Cola. And no. I'm not kidding. By the way, I would totally tune in to see some pedo get their head chopped off."

[UNI88]

Houndy was referring to gun deaths not political violence ...

"I think it’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational."
- charlie kirk

I know what he was referring to, but it's also at odds with the idea that Kirk would've advocated for political assassinations.

kirk's point was that death was part of the cost of having the second amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That statement should apply to his death just as much as the kids at the Covenant School or elsewhere.

[kalm]

To return to the OP.

Everyone should care a lot about Kirk’s murder. His celebrity and political influence are also a giant part of the story or else it would be just another murder in America.

Ending the story with him simply being a family man and free speech advocate is as dishonest as applauding his death and thinking he deserved it.

It’s possible to simultaneously recognize the tragedy and political implications of his murder as well as criticize his very public statements on culture and humanity.

[GannonFan]

I don't know that one - you'll have to give me more context.

Charlie Kirk fantasizes about children watching televised executions: “At a certain age, it's an initiation”

About the death penalty: "It should be public. It should be quick. And it should be televised."

Also: "You could have, like, brought to you by Coca Cola. And no. I'm not kidding. By the way, I would totally tune in to see some pedo get their head chopped off."

Well that doesn't condone political violence, or any violence really. State sponsored capital punishment assumes some degree of due process and the judicial system, not just a nut shooting someone from a rooftop. That doesn't seem to support anything here at all.

[GannonFan]

To return to the OP.

Everyone should care a lot about Kirk’s murder. His celebrity and political influence are also a giant part of the story or else it would be just another murder in America.

Ending the story with him simply being a family man and free speech advocate is as dishonest and applauding his death and thinking he deserved it.

It’s possible to simultaneously recognize the tragedy and political implications of his murder as well as criticize his very public statements on culture and humanity.

Agreed.

[kalm]

Condolences and personally honoring Kirk’s legacy are good. Passing a house resolution in his honor adds nothing to this other than to whitewash his history.

[89Hen]

Ending the story with him simply being a family man and free speech advocate is as dishonest as applauding his death and thinking he deserved it.

I miss old kalm. It's sad to see what you've become my friend.

[kalm]

Ending the story with him simply being a family man and free speech advocate is as dishonest as applauding his death and thinking he deserved it.

I miss old kalm. It's sad to see what you've become my friend.

Change is undefeated in the universe. For instance, my index is now 9.3. I’m lucky to break 80.

I’m not sure how I disappointed you here, but I apologize.

I sincerely hope all is well with you and yours.

[UNI88]

Ending the story with him simply being a family man and free speech advocate is as dishonest as applauding his death and thinking he deserved it.

I miss old kalm. It's sad to see what you've become my friend.

Why is kalm "wrong" on this one? I am saddened by kirk's murder and I feel for his wife and kids. I also disagree with much of what he believed and think it's dishonest to "canonize" him without recognizing his more extreme positions. What more extreme positions? The separation of church and state, that a woman should submit to a man (my personal opinion is that kirk's position that a woman should submit to her husband is just as unhinged and extremist as letting trans athletes compete in women's sports).

I raised my daughter to be a strong, independent woman. I want her to find a husband who loves and respects her for who she is. Someone who can be her equal partner, not her superior.

[GOD]

Ending the story with him simply being a family man and free speech advocate is as dishonest as applauding his death and thinking he deserved it.

I miss old kalm. It's sad to see what you've become my friend.