Trump 2.0: MAGAA

[UNI88]

And two things can be true.

First off, I don't believe anyone knows the truth. Secondly, the medical community is hiding behind half the facts by stating it has never been proven. The other half is that is has not been disproven either. They don't know.

For example, back in 2011, after two years of reviewing all data, the IOM issued a special report on 158 vaccine adverse events. They concluded only a handful of adverse events could be linked to vaccines. Of the remaining 135 adverse events, they concluded the evidence was insufficient to either prove or refute a causal link. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. They don't have any proof either way, so they hide behind that.

As I've always stated, I think the body is elegantly complex and can handle many insults, but there are subsets of the population in which their individual biochemistry may predispose them to harm. With that being said, I would bet if Tylenol is a problem, it would be to being in poor metabolic health and taking A LOT of it.

You see the "no causal link" thrown up because they honestly cannot say one way or the other. I realize the overwhelming majority of Tylenol takers had issue free births, but the few that didn't are not insignificant. They don't do any testing on the mother to see if they are predispositioned to injury and they certainly don't do any testing on babies either. That's all people are asking for. Can we detect the susceptible before we injure them?

I don't disagree with you.

Did rfk jr and trump follow the science before making their allegations about tylenol? Are there peer-reviewed studies that show causation between taking tylenol and autism?

[Caribbean Hen]

And two things can be true.

First off, I don't believe anyone knows the truth. Secondly, the medical community is hiding behind half the facts by stating it has never been proven. The other half is that is has not been disproven either. They don't know.

For example, back in 2011, after two years of reviewing all data, the IOM issued a special report on 158 vaccine adverse events. They concluded only a handful of adverse events could be linked to vaccines. Of the remaining 135 adverse events, they concluded the evidence was insufficient to either prove or refute a causal link. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. They don't have any proof either way, so they hide behind that.

As I've always stated, I think the body is elegantly complex and can handle many insults, but there are subsets of the population in which their individual biochemistry may predispose them to harm. With that being said, I would bet if Tylenol is a problem, it would be to being in poor metabolic health or genetic factors and taking A LOT of it.

You see the "no causal link" thrown up because they honestly cannot say one way or the other. I realize the overwhelming majority of Tylenol takers had issue free births, but the few that didn't are not insignificant. They don't do any testing on the mother to see if they are predispositioned to injury and they certainly don't do any testing on babies either. That's all people are asking for. Can we detect the susceptible before we injure them?

Nobody knows the truth! Absolutely true

You make a lot of sense Seattle Griz, your reasoning and educated opinions are very much appreciated

Klam on the other hand…. Educated but as dumbfounded as a Clam

[SeattleGriz]

First off, I don't believe anyone knows the truth. Secondly, the medical community is hiding behind half the facts by stating it has never been proven. The other half is that is has not been disproven either. They don't know.

For example, back in 2011, after two years of reviewing all data, the IOM issued a special report on 158 vaccine adverse events. They concluded only a handful of adverse events could be linked to vaccines. Of the remaining 135 adverse events, they concluded the evidence was insufficient to either prove or refute a causal link. The absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. They don't have any proof either way, so they hide behind that.

As I've always stated, I think the body is elegantly complex and can handle many insults, but there are subsets of the population in which their individual biochemistry may predispose them to harm. With that being said, I would bet if Tylenol is a problem, it would be to being in poor metabolic health and taking A LOT of it.

You see the "no causal link" thrown up because they honestly cannot say one way or the other. I realize the overwhelming majority of Tylenol takers had issue free births, but the few that didn't are not insignificant. They don't do any testing on the mother to see if they are predispositioned to injury and they certainly don't do any testing on babies either. That's all people are asking for. Can we detect the susceptible before we injure them?

I don't disagree with you.

Did rfk jr and trump follow the science before making their allegations about tylenol? Are there peer-reviewed studies that show causation between taking tylenol and autism?

I don't know and haven't seen any of the data. I honestly don't think we have the science level right now to truly know. A perfect example of what I mean by that is BPA. Remember when they said it was bad and replaced it with a newer safter substance, only to realize later the new substance was worse. Nobody is out there trying to harm anyone, but sometimes our inventions outpace our ability to fully know what or how to test for safety. It's why I simply try to limit insults. If trying to cook in either stainless steel or cast iron and only drink out of glass is crazy, so be it, but I do know I'm trying to limit the fact our science won't be able to tell us every harm. Same goes for questionable vaccines I don't need if I'm healthy.

[kalm]

[Caribbean Hen]

Nope

It’s not OK to lie your ass off for years to the American people just because you’re so infatuated with yourself and your all knowing wisdom and think you know what’s best …. Wrong

Not OK to I coordinate with Hillary Clinton, plant a false narrative and get the fake and treasonous media to run these lies out over the air to create a false conspiracy

Wrong

[kalm]

Nope

It’s not OK to lie your ass off for years to the American people just because you’re so infatuated with yourself and your all knowing wisdom and think you know what’s best …. Wrong

Not OK to I coordinate with Hillary Clinton, plant a false narrative and get the fake and treasonous media to run these lies out over the air to create a false conspiracy

Wrong

Say what now?

The guy who first worked at DOJ under Bush and seriously damaged the Clinton campaign if not sunk it right before the 2016 election.

A recommendation for you. Only because I care…

[Caribbean Hen]

Nope

It’s not OK to lie your ass off for years to the American people just because you’re so infatuated with yourself and your all knowing wisdom and think you know what’s best …. Wrong

Not OK to I coordinate with Hillary Clinton, plant a false narrative and get the fake and treasonous media to run these lies out over the air to create a false conspiracy

Wrong

Say what now?

The guy who first worked at DOJ under Bush and seriously damaged the Clinton campaign if not sunk it right before the 2016 election.

A recommendation for you. Only because I care…

Well if he was trying to sink Clinton’s campaign he’s no good is he….. not that i believe that outrageous claim

[GannonFan]

Nope

It’s not OK to lie your ass off for years to the American people just because you’re so infatuated with yourself and your all knowing wisdom and think you know what’s best …. Wrong

Not OK to I coordinate with Hillary Clinton, plant a false narrative and get the fake and treasonous media to run these lies out over the air to create a false conspiracy

Wrong

Say what now?

The guy who first worked at DOJ under Bush and seriously damaged the Clinton campaign if not sunk it right before the 2016 election.

A recommendation for you. Only because I care…

If he lied and obstructed (the lying seems fairly straightforward) then I'm fine with the indictment. He wasn't a terribly effective administrator and I think he really bungled the leadup to the 2016 election, not that you can prosecute just for being bad at your job. He really should've been indicted before all of this, but the politics of it prevented the Biden administration from pursuing it.

[kalm]

Say what now?

The guy who first worked at DOJ under Bush and seriously damaged the Clinton campaign if not sunk it right before the 2016 election.

A recommendation for you. Only because I care…

Well if he was trying to sink Clinton’s campaign he’s no good is he….. not that i believe that outrageous claim

What outrageous claim? I didn’t say he was trying but his decisions had an effect. This is hardly controversial.

[SeattleGriz]

If Comey is not found guilty, it'll mostly be that he will be tried in DC. It'll be just like Sussman. Guy charged the Clinton campaign for services rendered, but somehow that didn't prove he was working for the Clinton campaign?

Nobody really expects anyone involved with the fabricated Russia collusion scam to be convicted. The best one can hope for is for people to simply understand what a snake Comey and his ilk are.

[GannonFan]

If Comey is not found guilty, it'll mostly be that he will be tried in DC. It'll be just like Sussman. Guy charged the Clinton campaign for services rendered, but somehow that didn't prove he was working for the Clinton campaign?

Nobody really expects anyone involved with the fabricated Russia collusion scam to be convicted. The best one can hope for is for people to simply understand what a snake Comey and his ilk are.

I don't think Comey is that bad of a snake - I think he lied, and that's what the indictment is about. Again, he probably should've been indicted before but the Biden administration didn't want to since Comey had become so anti-Trump. With that said, the biggest issue I have with Comey is how he got completely played by the Russians in the leadup to the 2016 election. We talk about Trump being a puppet, but Comey got led along by his nose by the Russians on so many different misinformation plays and fake leads that he did end up having a sizeable impact on that election. He was terrible at his job. If that was indictable I would indict on that but it's not.

[kalm]

[GannonFan]

If only we had stayed the course on free trade (with adjustments for the parts that didn't work as well as they should) and not gone down the rabbit hole of mega high tariffs to make other countries pay a steep price to access our markets. Seems like we've discussed that on these boards in the past.

[Caribbean Hen]

You remember the 5 and Dime?

[kalm]

If only we had stayed the course on free trade (with adjustments for the parts that didn't work as well as they should) and not gone down the rabbit hole of mega high tariffs to make other countries pay a steep price to access our markets. Seems like we've discussed that on these boards in the past.

Yes we have and your dishonesty regarding my old arguments continues.

[kalm]

You remember the 5 and Dime?

That’s where I bought my first real six string.

[Caribbean Hen]

You remember the 5 and Dime?

That’s where I bought my first real six string.

Stop as you know Sir Paul has lyrics for everything

took my bag into a grocer's store
The price is higher than the time before
Old man Biden asked me, "Why is it more"

[kalm]

That’s where I bought my first real six string.

Stop as you know Sir Paul has lyrics for everything

took my bag into a grocer's store
The price is higher than the time before
Old man Biden asked me, "Why is it more"

What part of the song does he say 5 and dime?

[Caribbean Hen]

Stop as you know Sir Paul has lyrics for everything

took my bag into a grocer's store
The price is higher than the time before
Old man Biden asked me, "Why is it more"

What part of the song does he say 5 and dime?

That was Sir Prince

[UNI88]

What part of the song does he say 5 and dime?

That was Sir Prince

Bryan Adams ...

I got my first real six-string
Bought it at the Five and Dime
Played it 'til my fingers bled
Was the summer of '69

[SeattleGriz]

If Comey is not found guilty, it'll mostly be that he will be tried in DC. It'll be just like Sussman. Guy charged the Clinton campaign for services rendered, but somehow that didn't prove he was working for the Clinton campaign?

Nobody really expects anyone involved with the fabricated Russia collusion scam to be convicted. The best one can hope for is for people to simply understand what a snake Comey and his ilk are.

I don't think Comey is that bad of a snake - I think he lied, and that's what the indictment is about. Again, he probably should've been indicted before but the Biden administration didn't want to since Comey had become so anti-Trump. With that said, the biggest issue I have with Comey is how he got completely played by the Russians in the leadup to the 2016 election. We talk about Trump being a puppet, but Comey got led along by his nose by the Russians on so many different misinformation plays and fake leads that he did end up having a sizeable impact on that election. He was terrible at his job. If that was indictable I would indict on that but it's not.

What was Comey misled on by the Russians? I'm not following.

[BDKJMU]

Link to Crazy Bernie‘s #s?
2.9% Aug according to Dept of Labor.
https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-pri ... -chart.htm

[Caribbean Hen]

I don't think Comey is that bad of a snake - I think he lied, and that's what the indictment is about. Again, he probably should've been indicted before but the Biden administration didn't want to since Comey had become so anti-Trump. With that said, the biggest issue I have with Comey is how he got completely played by the Russians in the leadup to the 2016 election. We talk about Trump being a puppet, but Comey got led along by his nose by the Russians on so many different misinformation plays and fake leads that he did end up having a sizeable impact on that election. He was terrible at his job. If that was indictable I would indict on that but it's not.

What was Comey misled on by the Russians? I'm not following.

Thanks for asking because I’m not sure either

All I know is it’s a lot easier to get misled when you have TDS

[kalm]

Link to Crazy Bernie‘s #s?
2.9% Aug according to Dept of Labor.
https://www.bls.gov/charts/consumer-pri ... -chart.htm

Hmmm…seems to be some conflicting number from the BLS…

Last month saw the biggest jump in grocery prices in almost three years. For Shelia Fields, who lives in Galveston, Texas, the hunt for affordable food has almost become a full-time job.

"Like yesterday, we went to three different stores here in town. And we bought only what was a really good sale," Fields says. "So we got no meat at all. Because it's just too high."

Fields and her husband are both retired nurses, and they're worried about outliving their savings…

Despite Trump's promise to lower prices, the overall cost of groceries is higher now than when he was sworn in. The president's crackdown on illegal immigration — including targeting people who pick and process our food — could add to upward pressure on prices. Trump's tariffs are also contributing to higher prices for imported staples like bananas and coffee.

"Tariffs are simply a tax on imported goods," Ortega says. "So that raises the cost, and ultimately consumers see that at the grocery store."

Coffee prices have jumped more than 20% in the last year. And while some of that is due to weather in coffee-growing countries like Brazil and Vietnam, Trump's double-digit import taxes are not helping.

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/19/nx-s1-55 ... -inflation

[Caribbean Hen]

Stop as you know Sir Paul has lyrics for everything

took my bag into a grocer's store
The price is higher than the time before
Old man Biden asked me, "Why is it more"

What part of the song does he say 5 and dime?

Sir Paul? No…. His lyrics reference was about inflation

5 and dime was a reference to how prices always go up over time

But sometimes when idiots like Coma da Joe are in charge, prices explode like we haven’t seen since weak Jimmy