2025 Schumer Shutdown

[kalm]

Donks refuse to pass a clean CR.

So now R’s are expecting Dems to play by the rules?

Conks refuse to keep healthcare costs from shooting through the roof.

[BDKJMU]

Donks refuse to pass a clean CR.

So now R’s are expecting Dems to play by the rules?

Conks refuse to keep healthcare costs from shooting through the roof.

By temporary subsidies expiring that donks wrote to be temporary.

[Caribbean Hen]

Fetterman is the adult in DC

Why is this guy at Democrat?

He should be a Libertarian. He's too good for either major party.

And he’s not infected with TDS

[GannonFan]

So now R’s are expecting Dems to play by the rules?

Conks refuse to keep healthcare costs from shooting through the roof.

By temporary subsidies expiring that donks wrote to be temporary.

Agree with this. We don't have any good scheme on how to control healthcare costs, but one certain way not to control them is to continue to have government pick up the tab and cover any and all increases, as advocating for making permanent these temporary subsidies would be. We tried this approach with college tuition back in the '90's and all we have to show for it is almost 3 decades of meteoric tuition spikes (nicely coordinated with each increase in government subsidies), a generation who absorbed these subsidies and tuition ramp ups now drowning in debt they took on too willingly, and a system that can't seem to find the off-ramp to this debacle. What the Democrats are clamoring to do, by making what they themselves originated with temporary, unnecessary subsidies five years ago, is to solve nothing and continue this bad policy making for years to come. Not that the GOP is really any better (they might even be worse), I don't hear ideas coming from them, but they aren't the ones shutting down the government to do this.

[kalm]

By temporary subsidies expiring that donks wrote to be temporary.

Agree with this. We don't have any good scheme on how to control healthcare costs, but one certain way not to control them is to continue to have government pick up the tab and cover any and all increases, as advocating for making permanent these temporary subsidies would be. We tried this approach with college tuition back in the '90's and all we have to show for it is almost 3 decades of meteoric tuition spikes (nicely coordinated with each increase in government subsidies), a generation who absorbed these subsidies and tuition ramp ups now drowning in debt they took on too willingly, and a system that can't seem to find the off-ramp to this debacle. What the Democrats are clamoring to do, by making what they themselves originated with temporary, unnecessary subsidies five years ago, is to solve nothing and continue this bad policy making for years to come. Not that the GOP is really any better (they might even be worse), I don't hear ideas coming from them, but they aren't the ones shutting down the government to do this.

I agree the Dems are complicit. But the system is utterly broken with pharma and insurers raking in profits while failing to deliver efficiency and affordable care. Any toe hold socialized medicine can gain to expand coverage and keep costs down is better than what the R’s are proposing.

[GannonFan]

Agree with this. We don't have any good scheme on how to control healthcare costs, but one certain way not to control them is to continue to have government pick up the tab and cover any and all increases, as advocating for making permanent these temporary subsidies would be. We tried this approach with college tuition back in the '90's and all we have to show for it is almost 3 decades of meteoric tuition spikes (nicely coordinated with each increase in government subsidies), a generation who absorbed these subsidies and tuition ramp ups now drowning in debt they took on too willingly, and a system that can't seem to find the off-ramp to this debacle. What the Democrats are clamoring to do, by making what they themselves originated with temporary, unnecessary subsidies five years ago, is to solve nothing and continue this bad policy making for years to come. Not that the GOP is really any better (they might even be worse), I don't hear ideas coming from them, but they aren't the ones shutting down the government to do this.

I agree the Dems are complicit. But the system is utterly broken with pharma and insurers raking in profits while failing to deliver efficiency and affordable care. Any toe hold socialized medicine can gain to expand coverage and keep costs down is better than what the R’s are proposing.

But that's the thing, the things the Dems are fighting for have absolutely no chance of keeping the costs down. Quite the opposite, they just continue to perpetuate the exploding costs that are associated with Obamacare. While noble in idea, the fatal flaw of Obamacare was always that it didn't really change the system at all, it actually embedded pharma and insurers even more so than they had been before, and worse, it gave them the political inroads to milk the system for ever increasing subsidies to flow seamlessly into their pockets. The Dems may say they're trying to hold costs down, but they're not. They're simply saying that government, through the subsidies, should be the one to pay the ever increasing, exploding costs of healthcare as demanded by pharma and the insurers. We pretended that this was a toe hold of socialized medicine, but it was really just cover to hide the same system that's been raising costs ever since Obamacare pretended it was going to lower costs. Making permanent these temporary subsidies now is just continuing the fantasy that we're trying to lower costs.

[kalm]

I agree the Dems are complicit. But the system is utterly broken with pharma and insurers raking in profits while failing to deliver efficiency and affordable care. Any toe hold socialized medicine can gain to expand coverage and keep costs down is better than what the R’s are proposing.

But that's the thing, the things the Dems are fighting for have absolutely no chance of keeping the costs down. Quite the opposite, they just continue to perpetuate the exploding costs that are associated with Obamacare. While noble in idea, the fatal flaw of Obamacare was always that it didn't really change the system at all, it actually embedded pharma and insurers even more so than they had been before, and worse, it gave them the political inroads to milk the system for ever increasing subsidies to flow seamlessly into their pockets. The Dems may say they're trying to hold costs down, but they're not. They're simply saying that government, through the subsidies, should be the one to pay the ever increasing, exploding costs of healthcare as demanded by pharma and the insurers. We pretended that this was a toe hold of socialized medicine, but it was really just cover to hide the same system that's been raising costs ever since Obamacare pretended it was going to lower costs. Making permanent these temporary subsidies now is just continuing the fantasy that we're trying to lower costs.

Fair.

But the immediate concern is people being able to receive care. In a way, as you suggested with the college comparison, this is endemic to our entire economic system. A little bit of socialism for the people and massive socialism for corporations. A system based on legalized bribery that also crushes competition is not the way. But it takes more than just fixing healthcare to right that ship.

[Caribbean Hen]

Agree with this. We don't have any good scheme on how to control healthcare costs, but one certain way not to control them is to continue to have government pick up the tab and cover any and all increases, as advocating for making permanent these temporary subsidies would be. We tried this approach with college tuition back in the '90's and all we have to show for it is almost 3 decades of meteoric tuition spikes (nicely coordinated with each increase in government subsidies), a generation who absorbed these subsidies and tuition ramp ups now drowning in debt they took on too willingly, and a system that can't seem to find the off-ramp to this debacle. What the Democrats are clamoring to do, by making what they themselves originated with temporary, unnecessary subsidies five years ago, is to solve nothing and continue this bad policy making for years to come. Not that the GOP is really any better (they might even be worse), I don't hear ideas coming from them, but they aren't the ones shutting down the government to do this.

I agree the Dems are complicit. But the system is utterly broken with pharma and insurers raking in profits while failing to deliver efficiency and affordable care. Any toe hold socialized medicine can gain to expand coverage and keep costs down is better than what the R’s are proposing.

Do you agree that illegal migrants should use the emergency room as their primary care doctor?

They are doing it in mase because they know they will not have to pay for it, heck I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault.

But something needs to be done to push them into some other type of non urgent care.

Just because it’s free for them doesn’t mean it’s free for everybody and it’s crushing us

Gracias Payaso Joe

[kalm]

I agree the Dems are complicit. But the system is utterly broken with pharma and insurers raking in profits while failing to deliver efficiency and affordable care. Any toe hold socialized medicine can gain to expand coverage and keep costs down is better than what the R’s are proposing.

Do you agree that illegal migrants should use the emergency room as their primary care doctor?

They are doing it in mase because they know they will not have to pay for it, heck I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault.

But something needs to be done to push them into some other type of non urgent care.

Just because it’s free for them doesn’t mean it’s free for everybody and it’s crushing us

Gracias Payaso Joe

That’s a failure of our system.

[Caribbean Hen]

Do you agree that illegal migrants should use the emergency room as their primary care doctor?

They are doing it in mase because they know they will not have to pay for it, heck I don’t blame them. It’s not their fault.

But something needs to be done to push them into some other type of non urgent care.

Just because it’s free for them doesn’t mean it’s free for everybody and it’s crushing us

Gracias Payaso Joe

That’s a failure of our system.

The complete atrocity was the failure of our idiotic president in name only to enforce the border….

30 million illegal people with open access to the ER will cost how much every year ?

[Caribbean Hen]

"Democrats do NOT serve the interests of the American people. Hakeem Jeffries is an America Last, stone-cold loser. Now open up the government and stop simping to try to get your radical left-wing base to like you," Leavitt said.

She’s not lying

[kalm]

"Democrats do NOT serve the interests of the American people. Hakeem Jeffries is an America Last, stone-cold loser. Now open up the government and stop simping to try to get your radical left-wing base to like you," Leavitt said.

She’s not lying

Let me help you out. BOTH parties are oligarch/corporation first. Heck, sometimes they’re Argentina first. Jefferies is terrible. On this we agree. His interests too, are oligarch first. The base of the party is moderate Dems. The left or as you call them, “radicals” loathe Jefferies, Schumer, and the rest of the corporatist Dems who control the party.

[Caribbean Hen]

"Democrats do NOT serve the interests of the American people. Hakeem Jeffries is an America Last, stone-cold loser. Now open up the government and stop simping to try to get your radical left-wing base to like you," Leavitt said.

She’s not lying

Let me help you out. BOTH parties are oligarch/corporation first. Heck, sometimes they’re Argentina first. Jefferies is terrible. On this we agree. His interests too, are oligarch first. The base of the party is moderate Dems. The left or as you call them, “radicals” loathe Jefferies, Schumer, and the rest of the corporatist Dems who control the party.

So why is the government closed?

[kalm]

Let me help you out. BOTH parties are oligarch/corporation first. Heck, sometimes they’re Argentina first. Jefferies is terrible. On this we agree. His interests too, are oligarch first. The base of the party is moderate Dems. The left or as you call them, “radicals” loathe Jefferies, Schumer, and the rest of the corporatist Dems who control the party.

So why is the government closed?

It’s a tool used by both sides that’s been used before.

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

Democratic senators fear getting ‘hammered’ after ‘No Kings’ for ending shutdown
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/556 ... democrats/

[Caribbean Hen]

So why is the government closed?

It’s a tool used by both sides that’s been used before.

You avoided the question

Why would you do that?

[kalm]

It’s a tool used by both sides that’s been used before.

You avoided the question

Why would you do that?

I avoided nothing. I can only hold your hand so much.

[Caribbean Hen]

You avoided the question

Why would you do that?

I avoided nothing. I can only hold your hand so much.

You never answered questions that you don’t like the answer to

No, I don’t wanna hold your hand despite what SPM wrote

[kalm]

I avoided nothing. I can only hold your hand so much.

You never answered questions that you don’t like the answer to

No, I don’t wanna hold your hand despite what SPM wrote

I answered the question. You didn’t like the a swer. Both sides apply leverage where they can. The Dems right now have very little other than this. I’m not interested in debating you on which side is right or wrong. Personally I’m glad the establishment Dems are showing even a little fight. Protecting all tax payers from significant increases in healthcare costs and erosion of Medicaid subsidies is important.

[Caribbean Hen]

You never answered questions that you don’t like the answer to

No, I don’t wanna hold your hand despite what SPM wrote

I answered the question. You didn’t like the a swer. Both sides apply leverage where they can. The Dems right now have very little other than this. I’m not interested in debating you on which side is right or wrong. Personally I’m glad the establishment Dems are showing even a little fight. Protecting all tax payers from significant increases in healthcare costs and erosion of Medicaid subsidies is important.

So you think this country can keep spending like they’ve been spending do ya …

[kalm]

I answered the question. You didn’t like the a swer. Both sides apply leverage where they can. The Dems right now have very little other than this. I’m not interested in debating you on which side is right or wrong. Personally I’m glad the establishment Dems are showing even a little fight. Protecting all tax payers from significant increases in healthcare costs and erosion of Medicaid subsidies is important.

So you think this country can keep spending like they’ve been spending do ya …

No. Cut defense spending, raise taxes on the rich, gain reasonable efficiencies and cut redundancies everywhere. But not like DOGE tried to do it.

[Caribbean Hen]

So you think this country can keep spending like they’ve been spending do ya …

No. Cut defense spending, raise taxes on the rich, gain reasonable efficiencies and cut redundancies everywhere. But not like DOGE tried to do it.

The Rich are already carrying this dead weight country

And

If you crush the producers, eventually they will lose the incentive to produce and you will be living in Cuba

[kalm]

No. Cut defense spending, raise taxes on the rich, gain reasonable efficiencies and cut redundancies everywhere. But not like DOGE tried to do it.

The Rich are already carrying this dead weight country

And

If you crush the producers, eventually they will lose the incentive to produce and you will be living in Cuba

Dead weight? We spend less on welfare than almost all other OECD countries.

Producers? Aren’t all who work producers? Are the dead best rich unwilling to pay taxes not replaceable?

[Caribbean Hen]

The Rich are already carrying this dead weight country

And

If you crush the producers, eventually they will lose the incentive to produce and you will be living in Cuba

Dead weight? We spend less on welfare than almost all other OECD countries.

Producers? Aren’t all who work producers? Are the dead best rich unwilling to pay taxes not replaceable?

Not all lower income producers create tax revenue for the government, but they do provide what Hunter Biden wants them too provide like waiting on him at restaurants

Let’s see your evidence about your claim on welfare spending …. We need to cut it