2025 Schumer Shutdown

[kalm]

Yes. We should get healthier. That requires available healthy food, time to exercise, and education.

Our system isn’t set up for the working poor to eat healthy.

You’re right! the government system is no good…

People should find a way to go around it and eat healthy food and stop making excuses

But you always want us to rely on the government

If you think the poor can just snap their fingers and eat health you are highly ignorant.

I want us to help each other. That’s called community…both Government and private.

[Caribbean Hen]

You’re right! the government system is no good…

People should find a way to go around it and eat healthy food and stop making excuses

But you always want us to rely on the government

If you think the poor can just snap their fingers and eat health you are highly ignorant.

I want us to help each other. That’s called community…both Government and private.

SNAP their fingers lol

The poor could buy a banana and an apple and eat some oatmeal for breakfast. It’s certainly cheaper than potato chips chocolate chip cookies.

You should really stop making excuses for the poor as people like you are not helping them at all

[kalm]

If you think the poor can just snap their fingers and eat health you are highly ignorant.

I want us to help each other. That’s called community…both Government and private.

SNAP their fingers lol

The poor could buy a banana and an apple and eat some oatmeal for breakfast. It’s certainly cheaper than potato chips chocolate chip cookies.

You should really stop making excuses for the poor as people like you are not helping them at all

For starters, ever hear of food deserts?

What are you doing to help the poor? Why are you so judgy?We donate from our garden to our local library. Also to the food bank. The boys also help out friends in need of food.

But we can and will do so much more.

[BDKJMU]

Republicans grapple with shutdown – and why more are blaming the GOP

Yet poll after poll finds that slightly more Americans think Republicans are to blame for the shutdown than who think Democrats are at fault.
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That public sentiment has only encouraged Democrats to dig in on the stalemate.
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Johnson has kept the House out of session during the shutdown, arguing the chamber has already done its job. He has repeatedly rebuffed suggestions that the House could be doing other work, saying that appropriators are still working to prepare regular funding bills even though the House is not in session. Democrats, meanwhile, accuse Republicans of being on “vacation” during the shutdown.

The Speaker has refused to swear in Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva (D-Ariz.) while the House is out of session during the shutdown, leading to accusations that he is doing so to block a discharge petition to force a vote on a bill to release files about the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, which Johnson has denied. Arizona’s Attorney General Kris Mayes (D) filed a lawsuit over Grijalva’s swearing-in thisweek.

Sounds like the shutdown is hurting donks/helping conks.

[UNI88]

[BDKJMU]

Yet conks overall approval and generic ballot (+12) numbers are up since the shutdown began, which would have a bigger affect on the midterms). So again looks like the shutdown is hurting donks/helping conks.

[UNI88]

Yet conks overall approval numbers (which would have a bigger affect on the midterms, are up since the shutdown started.

Republican numbers are up in a poll or 2. Most voters blame Republicans for the shutdown and their (and trump's) poll numbers have been dropping for the most part since inauguration day.

The Democratic Party has been in the toilet since some point in the biden admin.

[GannonFan]

Maybe I didn't hear it right, but apparently there's a lot of motion to try to get something passed to get all federal workers paid, those still on the job and those furloughed. Of course, the next question would be, if we're paying even the workers who are furloughed while they are furloughed, why wouldn't they just be told to come back to work? You only get these types of situations in government.

[Caribbean Hen]

Maybe I didn't hear it right, but apparently there's a lot of motion to try to get something passed to get all federal workers paid, those still on the job and those furloughed. Of course, the next question would be, if we're paying even the workers who are furloughed while they are furloughed, why wouldn't they just be told to come back to work? You only get these types of situations in government.

Because of the unions and their lawyers

[GannonFan]

Maybe I didn't hear it right, but apparently there's a lot of motion to try to get something passed to get all federal workers paid, those still on the job and those furloughed. Of course, the next question would be, if we're paying even the workers who are furloughed while they are furloughed, why wouldn't they just be told to come back to work? You only get these types of situations in government.

Because of the unions and their lawyers

I know who's pushing it. I just thought how performative this is. Of course we're going to pay back everyone who was or who wasn't working during this shutdown. That's always been one of the illogical things in previous shutdowns (at least regarding those who did no work during the shutdown). But now we're thinking of extending that illogic even further by paying people while they are not working, and insisting that they keep not working. None of this make really any sense. Hence, government.

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

[kalm]

Tapper is right. It’s a choice of both parties. Dems are actually showing some backbone and taking a stand on exorbitant health insurance premiums.

[kalm]

[Caribbean Hen]

Tapper is right. It’s a choice of both parties. Dems are actually showing some backbone and taking a stand on exorbitant health insurance premiums.

Stop

The only thing Dems do is complain about Trump, what have they been doing the past several years about the cost of healthcare?

Complaining about Trump

[kalm]

Tapper is right. It’s a choice of both parties. Dems are actually showing some backbone and taking a stand on exorbitant health insurance premiums.

Stop

The only thing Dems do is complain about Trump, what have they been doing the past several years about the cost of healthcare?

Complaining about Trump

Here’s one hint: the answer is in my quoted reply.

R’s have controlled the House since 2022 and the senate too since last January.

Moderate Dems have been status quo and against meaningful change at least going back to Obama’s decision to axe single payer for even basic insurance.

Progressives have been in favor of meaningful change going back decades. See Bernie.

So for once, it’s good to see Dem establishment draw a line in the sand here. Christ, all they’re fighting for at this point is to not make our shitty system even worse and just stay where we’ve been.

Russel Vought and Heritage desire the radical change.

Hope this helps.

[GannonFan]

Tapper is right. It’s a choice of both parties. Dems are actually showing some backbone and taking a stand on exorbitant health insurance premiums.

They're not really taking a stand - there's really no efforts being undertaken to address the real issue, i.e. Obamacare doesn't work. Closing down the government for more than a month demanding that the government spend more and more money to cover the fact that Obamacare doesn't work isn't backbone or taking a stand - it's political recklessness. We're still going to pay everyone who wasn't working, so we waste money there with no output to show for it. If they extend this further it will hurt the folks that are still working, who can't get side hustles to cover the gaps, and in some cases we may not being paying SNAP benefits to the folks that really need it to get food on the tables. Shutting down the government as a negotiating tactic never worked for the GOP in all the cases before this when they tried it, and the it's not working for the Democrats who tried it this time. At the end of things, Obamacare continues to be exorbitantly expensive and we don't have a solution in place on how to change that.

The only thing that could be considered a success out of all of this would be a personal one for Schumer - when all of this is done, if he doesn't have a legit primary contender then he will think the shutdown was a roaring success. For the rest of us - for the folks who had to stretch money to make ends meet, for the SNAP families that had to find other means to get food on the table, and for the country to still have no answer on how to address skyrocketing costs of Obamacare, this was all just a waste of time. But Chuck gets 6 more years of proximity to power and legal insider trading for his stock portfolio so at least he's happy.

[BDKJMU]

Tapper is right. It’s a choice of both parties. Dems are actually showing some backbone and taking a stand on exorbitant health insurance premiums.

They're not really taking a stand - there's really no efforts being undertaken to address the real issue, i.e. Obamacare doesn't work. Closing down the government for more than a month demanding that the government spend more and more money to cover the fact that Obamacare doesn't work isn't backbone or taking a stand - it's political recklessness. We're still going to pay everyone who wasn't working, so we waste money there with no output to show for it. If they extend this further it will hurt the folks that are still working, who can't get side hustles to cover the gaps, and in some cases we may not being paying SNAP benefits to the folks that really need it to get food on the tables. Shutting down the government as a negotiating tactic never worked for the GOP in all the cases before this when they tried it, and the it's not working for the Democrats who tried it this time. At the end of things, Obamacare continues to be exorbitantly expensive and we don't have a solution in place on how to change that.

The only thing that could be considered a success out of all of this would be a personal one for Schumer - when all of this is done, if he doesn't have a legit primary contender then he will think the shutdown was a roaring success. For the rest of us - for the folks who had to stretch money to make ends meet, for the SNAP families that had to find other means to get food on the table, and for the country to still have no answer on how to address skyrocketing costs of Obamacare, this was all just a waste of time. But Chuck gets 6 more years of proximity to power and legal insider trading for his stock portfolio so at least he's happy.

Bingo. The Donks are losing their liberal allies in the Fed unions and MSM. This thing ends by the end of next week (Nov 10) after the election. The donks will try to tie the likely governor victories in 2 blue states and Mandami the Commie in NYC as some type of victory as cover to end this. Even the lib WaPo editorial board is calling for this to end.

A turning point in the government shutdown
Piecemeal bills are a waste of time. Just fund the whole government.

One reason the partial government shutdown has dragged on for nearly a month is because most Americans have felt no discernable impact on their daily life. That’s starting to change. This weekend, federal food stamps are scheduled to stop going out. Around 42 million people, or 1 in 8 Americans, receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.

This pain point, combined with three other dynamics, should help hasten an end to the shutdown as early as next week by making Democrats blink.

Second, Democrats are favored to win most of next Tuesday’s off-year elections. If they prevail in the New Jersey and Virginia governor’s races, as well as the New York mayor’s race, Democratic leaders could save face by claiming that the people sent a loud message to President Donald Trump. Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries are both New Yorkers who fear the Mamdani wing of the party.

Schumer has allowed the shutdown to drag on because he’s worried about fending off a primary challenger in 2028, and he’s still smarting from blowback he got from angry liberals after he agreed to fund the government this spring. Electoral wins can offer a pretext to claim vindication, or at least quietly give permission for a few of his members to break ranks.

Third, federal public employee unions, a core Democratic constituency, are losing patience. The American Federation of Government Employees, which represents more than 800,000 federal and D.C. government workers, said in a statement Monday that the shutdown is unacceptably hurting its members: “It’s time to pass a clean continuing resolution and end this shutdown today,” said AFGE National President Everett Kelley. “No half measures, and no gamesmanship.”

Kelley’s message shows why it’s untenable for Democrats to insist on a piecemeal approach to fund certain programs, such as food stamps, while keeping federal workers furloughed. Air traffic controllers, for instance, just missed their first full paycheck of the shutdown, even though they’re required to keep working.

Senate Democrats mostly stuck together last Thursday to block a bill that would have ensured the troops and other categories of essential employees keep getting paid, but now they’re insisting on a standalone bill to keep SNAP funded. They’re also accusing Trump of not tapping into emergency funds to keep the payments going, even as they’ve criticized him for diverting funds toward programs they care less about…

… Negotiations can always fall apart, but the calendar could help: Both chambers are supposed to be out on recess the week after next for Veterans Day, which might help induce a deal by next Friday.

The right answer is to reopen the government with a clean funding bill, ideally for a full year, to get food stamps flowing and federal workers back in the office, and then have a debate about ACA subsidies. Democrats openly acknowledge that they refuse to do this because it would mean giving up their leverage. If they persist, it could mean families start to go hungry.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... overnment/

[CID1990]

I’m excepted which means I’m working and not being paid. Fortunately I planned for the contingency because, well, Congress is a Ass, to paraphrase Dickens.

Schumer did not read the room on this one. Fed employees know how all this works - it is ridiculous to do this on a CR. Plus, the timing is such that next week when the Dems cave and open the government, they’ll have to cave again less than two weeks later when the next CR is due. Dumb.

Dumber still - DoS is about 9 to 1 Dem to GOP based on political donations but I have yet to encounter a colleague that blames the GOP on this one. Complete own-goal. One year out from midterms and Schumer is willing to risk the GOP retaining control of both houses just to keep his job. And Sandy from da Bronx is going to primary him anyway.


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[Caribbean Hen]

Stop

The only thing Dems do is complain about Trump, what have they been doing the past several years about the cost of healthcare?

Complaining about Trump

Here’s one hint: the answer is in my quoted reply.

R’s have controlled the House since 2022 and the senate too since last January.

Moderate Dems have been status quo and against meaningful change at least going back to Obama’s decision to axe single payer for even basic insurance.

Progressives have been in favor of meaningful change going back decades. See Bernie.

So for once, it’s good to see Dem establishment draw a line in the sand here. Christ, all they’re fighting for at this point is to not make our shitty system even worse and just stay where we’ve been.

Russel Vought and Heritage desire the radical change.

Hope this helps.

Sorry Klam, I don’t need your advice

[BDKJMU]

Sounds like hypocrite..

[UNI88]

Sounds like hypocrite..

Did Speaker Jar Jar johnson say he would defer his paycheck?

[BDKJMU]

Sounds like hypocrite..

Did Speaker Jar Jar johnson say he would defer his paycheck?

Don’t know, doesn’t matter. 15 yards for Irrelevancy. Conks aren‘t the ones keeping the govt shutdown. The conks have voted at least 13 times to reopen the govt. The donks have refused.

[Caribbean Hen]

“Around 42 million people, or 1 in 8 Americans, receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program.”

This is just unsustainable especially when so many people are abusing the system.

getting manicures and getting your hair done at the salon every week at a cost of $200 and receiving SNAP benefits is ludicrous

[UNI88]

Did Speaker Jar Jar johnson say he would defer his paycheck?

Don’t know, doesn’t matter. 15 yards for Irrelevancy. Conks aren‘t the ones keeping the govt shutdown. The conks have voted at least 13 times to reopen the govt. The donks have refused.

Maybe they've refused because they can't trust trump to spend money as Congress has allocated it and they can't trust Republican sheeple in Congress to do anything about.