January 6 - How much do you care?

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January 6 - How much do you care?

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Re: January 6 - How much do you care?

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UNI88 wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 6:25 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 5:53 pm

No one knows what those two senior citizens were doing and I never said they were the ones throwing rocks :lol: But keep trying to deflect from the violence we’re seeing from the left

Are you actually denying that some little punks were throwing rocks at ICE vans? I think it was in California.

I’m pretty sure the video was posted right here on this very website….
The irony is too rich. Anyone who defended or deflected (mostly peaceful, tourists, they were let it, patriots, hostages, etc.) for the January 6 seditious, criminal rioters has no room to complain about protesters throwing rocks at ICE vans.
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At least you’ve admitted some little punks were throwing rocks at ICE vehicles and destroying government property

Like I’ve said, it’s grown much bigger than that now

Keep it up
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 6:54 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 6:25 pm
The irony is too rich. Anyone who defended or deflected (mostly peaceful, tourists, they were let it, patriots, hostages, etc.) for the January 6 seditious, criminal rioters has no room to complain about protesters throwing rocks at ICE vans.
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At least you’ve admitted some little punks were throwing rocks at ICE vehicles and destroying government property

Like I’ve said, it’s grown much bigger than that now

Keep it up
And it's still a pimple on a gnat's ass compared to January 6.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 7:10 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 6:54 pm

Progress

At least you’ve admitted some little punks were throwing rocks at ICE vehicles and destroying government property

Like I’ve said, it’s grown much bigger than that now

Keep it up
And it's still a pimple on a gnat's ass compared to Three Kings day
Three kings Day is bigger than what you might believe

January 6th is the day the government of Puerto Rico gives out a free toy and people lineup in front of the governor’s mansion for miles and miles and wait all day in the hot sun to receive their gift. In Fact, the line of families seeking the free cheap toy stretches all the way through old San Juan and all the way out to the Capitolo building on the high road overlooking the beautiful Atlantic Ocean. There have been several instances when tempers flared and violence erupted when the government ran out of toys.

It was much worse than what happened in Washington DC in January 2021

But you would have to see it to believe it :lol:
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 2:22 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 1:40 pm
Well, after all the lies the left and MSM has pumped out in the last 8 months about incidents & enforcement operations involving ICE, call me skeptical.
That's :rofl: considering all the lies the trump regime has pumped out in the last 8 months about almost anything it's involved in.

Do you think they'd respond if I put in an FOIA request for video footage from body cams/building security cams?
Every swinging dick & coont out there have cell phones and half of them have their phones recording every little thing. + all the accredited and independent ‘journalists‘ left, right, and center. If the incident happened as you claim, then there’s going to be video of it. 100% if it makes ICE looks looks bad it would have been plastered all over social media, CNN, MSDNC, et al by now.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:57 pm Probably can’t go after crooked Jack Smith criminally, but Patel should fire anyone at the FBI who was involved, just like they fire the kneelers.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jack-s ... e-fbi-says
More evidence that crooked Jack Smith is a crook with his involvement with Artic Frost.
Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) presented evidence that 92 different conservative organizations or individuals were targeted by Jack Smith and the Biden-era Department of Justice.
And guess who the judge who was involved with Artic Frost? Judge Boasburg.
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 12:16 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Oct 06, 2025 3:57 pm Probably can’t go after crooked Jack Smith criminally, but Patel should fire anyone at the FBI who was involved, just like they fire the kneelers.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jack-s ... e-fbi-says
More evidence that crooked Jack Smith is a crook with his involvement with Artic Frost.
Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) presented evidence that 92 different conservative organizations or individuals were targeted by Jack Smith and the Biden-era Department of Justice.
And guess who the judge who was involved with Artic Frost? Judge Boasburg.
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2025/10/30 ... g-n2195657
So good to see these America hating nutbags exposed as total frauds
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 7:10 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 6:54 pm

Progress

At least you’ve admitted some little punks were throwing rocks at ICE vehicles and destroying government property

Like I’ve said, it’s grown much bigger than that now

Keep it up
And it's still a pimple on a gnat's ass compared to January 6.
Hey, guess what day is my daughter‘s due date? :lol:

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Thu Oct 30, 2025 2:08 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Oct 07, 2025 7:10 pm
And it's still a pimple on a gnat's ass compared to January 6.
Hey, guess what day is my daughter‘s due date? :lol:

Three kings Day
Can you admit that ICE/CBP are beating up old men and women and tear gassing little kids in Halloween costumes?

I wonder how bovino would feel if someone tear gassed his kids/grandkids?
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How bout those Mexicans putting the proud boys to shame….

The leftist President of Mexico is feeling the heat from the younger generation wanting her to actually take action against the real kings of that country, the druglords
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Nov 16, 2025 9:05 pm How bout those Mexicans putting the proud boys to shame….

The leftist President of Mexico is feeling the heat from the younger generation wanting her to actually take action against the real kings of that country, the druglords
As D1B used to point out, drug dealers are the ultimate conks. Violent, monopolizing, greedy capitalists.

The J6 foot soldiers were just following orders. Think of them as kid in the street selling dime bags.

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What’s happened at the DOJ is the opposite of patriotism and justice. It’s what you get when you vote an authoritarian mob boss convict into office.

President Trump’s second term has brought a period of turmoil and controversy unlike any in the history of the Justice Department. Trump and his appointees have blasted through the walls designed to protect the nation’s most powerful law enforcement agency from political influence; they have directed the course of criminal investigations, openly flouted ethics rules and caused a breakdown of institutional culture. To date, more than 200 career attorneys have been fired, and thousands more have resigned. (The Justice Department says many of them have been replaced.)

What was it like inside this institution as Trump’s officials took control? It’s not an easy question to answer. Justice Department norms dictate that career attorneys, who are generally nonpartisan public servants, rarely speak to the press. And the Trump administration’s attempts to crack down on leaks have made all federal employees fearful of sharing information.

But the exodus of lawyers has created an opportunity to understand what’s happening within the agency. We interviewed more than 60 attorneys who recently resigned or were fired from the Justice Department. Much of what they told us is reported here for the first time.

Beginning with Trump’s first day in office, the lawyers narrated the events that most alarmed them over the next 10 months. They described being asked to drop cases for political reasons, to find evidence for flimsy investigations and to take positions in court they thought had no legitimate basis. They also talked about the work they and their colleagues were told to abandon — investigations of terrorist plots, corruption and white-collar fraud.

Some spoke on the condition of anonymity because they feared retaliation against them or their new employers. We corroborated their accounts with multiple sources, interviewing their colleagues to confirm the details of what they described and reviewing court documents and contemporaneous notes. We also sent a list of questions to the Justice Department and the White House. “This story is a useless collection of recycled, debunked hearsay from disgruntled former employees,” a spokeswoman for the D.O.J. responded in an email. “Targeting the department’s political leadership while ignoring the questionable conduct of former attorneys who do not have the American people’s best interest at heart shows exactly how biased this story is, and further illustrates why Americans are turning away from biased, outdated legacy media platforms.”

Abigail Jackson, a White House spokeswoman, sent this statement: “These are nothing more than pathetic complaints lodged by anti-Trump government workers. President Trump is working on behalf of the millions of Americans who voted for him all across the country, not the D.C. bureaucrats who try to stymie the American people’s agenda at every turn.”

The attorneys who spoke to us for this project, many of whom have spent decades in government service, disagree.

January 20
On his first day in office, President Trump made it clear that lawyers loyal to him would lead the Justice Department. One of his personal defense attorneys, Emil Bove, became the temporary No. 2, and Trump nominated another of his lawyers, Todd Blanche, to take the position permanently once the Senate confirmed him.

Trump also undid one of the largest investigations in the Justice Department’s history by pardoning or commuting the sentences of the nearly 1,600 rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. The group included more than 200 defendants who were convicted of assaulting law enforcement officers.


A mob of Trump supporters clashes with helmeted D.C. police officers inside the U.S. Capitol.
Prosecutors said they were in disbelief when President Trump pardoned or commuted the sentences of Jan. 6 rioters. Ashley Gilbertson for The New York Times
Ryan Crosswell, Public Integrity Section, which handles corruption cases: When I saw it was Blanche and Bove, I was actually relieved. OK, it’s gross that they were Trump’s personal attorneys, but before that they were federal prosecutors in New York. They’ve done the job. They know the prosecutors’ code. We’re the only lawyers whose job is not to get the best result for our client. Our job is to get justice. Sometimes that means losing or walking into court and saying we made a mistake.

But then things were 10 times worse than I thought they would be.

Liz Oyer, pardon attorney: We had no knowledge that the Jan. 6 pardons were coming on Day 1. Everybody was concerned that our office was being completely sidelined from the review process.

Gregory Rosen, chief of the breach and assault unit of the Capitol Siege Section, which prosecuted the Jan. 6 rioters: When I was alerted to the pardons, a lot of thoughts ran through my head about how absurd this could get, but first I had to do my job. We had to ask, Did we believe the order was lawful and constitutional?

My team and I determined that it was. The president has the right to pardon people and commute their sentences. So then it was a blitzkrieg of hundreds of cases. We stepped to it.

I was numb. As career prosecutors, we don’t talk about our feelings. We’re not partisans. We’re public servants just doing the job. Early on, we stayed away from using emotional language about our own reactions.

Mike Romano, Jan. 6 prosecutor: Anyone who spent any time working on Jan. 6 cases saw how violent a day that was. I’d spent four years living with that day, the things done to people. It’s incredibly demoralizing to see something you worked on for four years wiped away by a lie — I mean the idea that prosecution of the rioters was a grave national injustice. We had strong evidence against every person we prosecuted. And I knew that if they’re going to wipe all of that away based on a lie, either I’ll be fired as retaliation or pretext or asked to do something unethical. Or both.

Until that point, I’d hoped the second Trump term would be similar to the first one, or similar enough for a while. Then the pardons came down and I knew, in light of that, there is no way I can stay.
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kalm wrote: Mon Nov 17, 2025 9:45 am What’s happened at the DOJ is the opposite of patriotism and justice. It’s what you get when you vote an authoritarian mob boss convict into office.

President Trump’s second term has brought a period of turmoil and controversy unlike any in the history of the Justice Department. Trump and his appointees have blasted through the walls designed to protect the nation’s most powerful law enforcement agency from political influence; they have directed the course of criminal investigations, openly flouted ethics rules and caused a breakdown of institutional culture. To date, more than 200 career attorneys have been fired, and thousands more have resigned. (The Justice Department says many of them have been replaced.)

What was it like inside this institution as Trump’s officials took control? It’s not an easy question to answer. Justice Department norms dictate that career attorneys, who are generally nonpartisan public servants, rarely speak to the press. And the Trump administration’s attempts to crack down on leaks have made all federal employees fearful of sharing information.

But the exodus of lawyers has created an opportunity to understand what’s happening within the agency. We interviewed more than 60 attorneys who recently resigned or were fired from the Justice Department. Much of what they told us is reported here for the first time.

Beginning with Trump’s first day in office, the lawyers narrated the events that most alarmed them over the next 10 months. They described being asked to drop cases for political reasons, to find evidence for flimsy investigations and to take positions in court they thought had no legitimate basis. They also talked about the work they and their colleagues were told to abandon — investigations of terrorist plots, corruption and white-collar fraud.

Some spoke on the condition of anonymity because they feared retaliation against them or their new employers. We corroborated their accounts with multiple sources, interviewing their colleagues to confirm the details of what they described and reviewing court documents and contemporaneous notes. We also sent a list of questions to the Justice Department and the White House. “This story is a useless collection of recycled, debunked hearsay from disgruntled former employees,” a spokeswoman for the D.O.J. responded in an email. “Targeting the department’s political leadership while ignoring the questionable conduct of former attorneys who do not have the American people’s best interest at heart shows exactly how biased this story is, and further illustrates why Americans are turning away from biased, outdated legacy media platforms.”

Abigail Jackson, a White House spokeswoman, sent this statement: “These are nothing more than pathetic complaints lodged by anti-Trump government workers. President Trump is working on behalf of the millions of Americans who voted for him all across the country, not the D.C. bureaucrats who try to stymie the American people’s agenda at every turn.”

The attorneys who spoke to us for this project, many of whom have spent decades in government service, disagree.

January 20
On his first day in office, President Trump made it clear that lawyers loyal to him would lead the Justice Department. One of his personal defense attorneys, Emil Bove, became the temporary No. 2, and Trump nominated another of his lawyers, Todd Blanche, to take the position permanently once the Senate confirmed him.

Trump also undid one of the largest investigations in the Justice Department’s history by pardoning or commuting the sentences of the nearly 1,600 rioters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021. The group included more than 200 defendants who were convicted of assaulting law enforcement officers.


A mob of Trump supporters clashes with helmeted D.C. police officers inside the U.S. Capitol.
Prosecutors said they were in disbelief when President Trump pardoned or commuted the sentences of Jan. 6 rioters. Ashley Gilbertson for The New York Times
Ryan Crosswell, Public Integrity Section, which handles corruption cases: When I saw it was Blanche and Bove, I was actually relieved. OK, it’s gross that they were Trump’s personal attorneys, but before that they were federal prosecutors in New York. They’ve done the job. They know the prosecutors’ code. We’re the only lawyers whose job is not to get the best result for our client. Our job is to get justice. Sometimes that means losing or walking into court and saying we made a mistake.

But then things were 10 times worse than I thought they would be.

Liz Oyer, pardon attorney: We had no knowledge that the Jan. 6 pardons were coming on Day 1. Everybody was concerned that our office was being completely sidelined from the review process.

Gregory Rosen, chief of the breach and assault unit of the Capitol Siege Section, which prosecuted the Jan. 6 rioters: When I was alerted to the pardons, a lot of thoughts ran through my head about how absurd this could get, but first I had to do my job. We had to ask, Did we believe the order was lawful and constitutional?

My team and I determined that it was. The president has the right to pardon people and commute their sentences. So then it was a blitzkrieg of hundreds of cases. We stepped to it.

I was numb. As career prosecutors, we don’t talk about our feelings. We’re not partisans. We’re public servants just doing the job. Early on, we stayed away from using emotional language about our own reactions.

Mike Romano, Jan. 6 prosecutor: Anyone who spent any time working on Jan. 6 cases saw how violent a day that was. I’d spent four years living with that day, the things done to people. It’s incredibly demoralizing to see something you worked on for four years wiped away by a lie — I mean the idea that prosecution of the rioters was a grave national injustice. We had strong evidence against every person we prosecuted. And I knew that if they’re going to wipe all of that away based on a lie, either I’ll be fired as retaliation or pretext or asked to do something unethical. Or both.

Until that point, I’d hoped the second Trump term would be similar to the first one, or similar enough for a while. Then the pardons came down and I knew, in light of that, there is no way I can stay.
Justice Department norms dictate that career attorneys, who are generally nonpartisan public servants,
Lawl, I quit reading right there. Most career DOJ are donks.
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