MAQA Civil War

[kalm]

^ he’s right.

We don’t blow up boats off of Miami because they don’t carry large volumes of drugs like these Go fast boats departing Colombia and Venezuela. They shut that down in the 80s and that’s why they moved to the Caribbean and later to the eastern Pacific. They do smuggle illegal immigrants staged in the Bahamas and small amounts of drugs

He is also wrong that these drugs don’t have a pathway into the United States. Of course they do. Thats just silly

Now, if he wants to argue about if this is legal or not, that’s another story …. He should change his approach.

So it was shutdown off Miami following our own and international laws? Do tell.

And what route are the drugs getting here these days?

[Caribbean Hen]

We don’t blow up boats off of Miami because they don’t carry large volumes of drugs like these Go fast boats departing Colombia and Venezuela. They shut that down in the 80s and that’s why they moved to the Caribbean and later to the eastern Pacific. They do smuggle illegal immigrants staged in the Bahamas and small amounts of drugs

He is also wrong that these drugs don’t have a pathway into the United States. Of course they do. Thats just silly

Now, if he wants to argue about if this is legal or not, that’s another story …. He should change his approach.

So it was shutdown off Miami following our own and international laws? Do tell.

And what route are the drugs getting here these days?

The big bulk loads were shut down off of Florida because it’s easier to flood the zone so to speak and flooding the area with maritime law-enforcement is much easier to do in your geographical backyard.

The druglords just moved everything south to the Caribbean by the early to mid 80s. If you check a map, you will see how many options this gave the bad guys to avoid law-enforcement. Of course, there’s nowhere near enough Coast Guard assets to effectively patrol the entire Caribbean Sea.

By the mid 90s, the US Coast Guard in conjunction with several other law-enforcement platforms pretty much had to deploy Coast Guard assets from the entire East Coast and temporarily stage them in the Caribbean. It was effective for stopping the flow drugs into the Caribbean for a while, but traffickers just shifted the big loads over into the eastern Pacific. Once the eastern Pacific route was patrolled heavily, they shifted a lot back to the Caribbean again, it is a cat and mouse game.

You can bet your last dollar that somebody is building another huge tunnel from Mexico into Arizona right now as the druggies will always find away! Well until now, when Trump has changed everything.

Container shipping is the primary mode for getting these drugs from Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic to the United States and Europe.

They have used American Airlines to ship drugs. There’s always some American Airlines Employee getting arrested in Puerto Rico for putting huge amounts of cocaine onto a plane over several years

They ship smaller amounts via the US Postal Service

If there is a way, they will find it

I like Rand Paul but he needs to study up on this

[UNI88]

So it was shutdown off Miami following our own and international laws? Do tell.

And what route are the drugs getting here these days?

The big bulk loads were shut down off of Florida because it’s easier to flood the zone so to speak and flooding the area with maritime law-enforcement is much easier to do in your geographical backyard.

The druglords just moved everything south to the Caribbean by the early to mid 80s. If you check a map, you will see how many options this gave the bad guys to avoid law-enforcement. Of course, there’s nowhere near enough Coast Guard assets to effectively patrol the entire Caribbean Sea.

By the mid 90s, the US Coast Guard in conjunction with several other law-enforcement platforms pretty much had to deploy Coast Guard assets from the entire East Coast and temporarily stage them in the Caribbean. It was effective for stopping the flow drugs into the Caribbean for a while, but traffickers just shifted the big loads over into the eastern Pacific. Once the eastern Pacific route was patrolled heavily, they shifted a lot back to the Caribbean again, it is a cat and mouse game.

You can bet your last dollar that somebody is building another huge tunnel from Mexico into Arizona right now as the druggies will always find away! Well until now, when Trump has changed everything.

Container shipping is the primary mode for getting these drugs from Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic to the United States and Europe.

They have used American Airlines to ship drugs. There’s always some American Airlines Employee getting arrested in Puerto Rico for putting huge amounts of cocaine onto a plane over several years

They ship smaller amounts via the US Postal Service

If there is a way, they will find it

I like Rand Paul but he needs to study up on this

Rand Paul doesn't need to study up on this, it's a matter of whether trump has the authority to order these deaths without a trial. If not, he's committing a crime. The reasons might be valid but the ends do not justify the means.

[UNI88]

Keystone Kash Starts MAGA Civil War Over Wild Conspiracy Claims

FBI Director Kash Patel reportedly clashed with top intelligence official Joe Kent over looking into the potential foreign ties of the suspected killer of Charlie Kirk.

Kent, the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, was examining FBI files in recent weeks to investigate whether Tyler Robinson, who is charged with Kirk’s killing, had support from a foreign power or entity, according to The New York Times.

However, his probe reportedly alarmed Patel, who accused Kent of overstepping the FBI and its investigation into Kirk’s assassination.

[Caribbean Hen]

The big bulk loads were shut down off of Florida because it’s easier to flood the zone so to speak and flooding the area with maritime law-enforcement is much easier to do in your geographical backyard.

The druglords just moved everything south to the Caribbean by the early to mid 80s. If you check a map, you will see how many options this gave the bad guys to avoid law-enforcement. Of course, there’s nowhere near enough Coast Guard assets to effectively patrol the entire Caribbean Sea.

By the mid 90s, the US Coast Guard in conjunction with several other law-enforcement platforms pretty much had to deploy Coast Guard assets from the entire East Coast and temporarily stage them in the Caribbean. It was effective for stopping the flow drugs into the Caribbean for a while, but traffickers just shifted the big loads over into the eastern Pacific. Once the eastern Pacific route was patrolled heavily, they shifted a lot back to the Caribbean again, it is a cat and mouse game.

You can bet your last dollar that somebody is building another huge tunnel from Mexico into Arizona right now as the druggies will always find away! Well until now, when Trump has changed everything.

Container shipping is the primary mode for getting these drugs from Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic to the United States and Europe.

They have used American Airlines to ship drugs. There’s always some American Airlines Employee getting arrested in Puerto Rico for putting huge amounts of cocaine onto a plane over several years

They ship smaller amounts via the US Postal Service

If there is a way, they will find it

I like Rand Paul but he needs to study up on this

Rand Paul doesn't need to study up on this, it's a matter of whether trump has the authority to order these deaths without a trial. If not, he's committing a crime. The reasons might be valid but the ends do not justify the means.

Rand Paul absolutely needs to study up because he said these drugs coming from Venezuela have no pathway to the United States

That’s just not true

Klam said it was true without knowing shit

If you would just read the post from yesterday, you wouldn’t of had to repeat me today

[UNI88]

Rand Paul doesn't need to study up on this, it's a matter of whether trump has the authority to order these deaths without a trial. If not, he's committing a crime. The reasons might be valid but the ends do not justify the means.

Rand Paul absolutely needs to study up because he said these drugs coming from Venezuela have no pathway to the United States

That’s just not true

Klam said it was true without knowing shit

If you would just read the post from yesterday, you wouldn’t of had to repeat me today

What's the context? Can those go-fast boats reach the US directly from Venezuela? Or do they need to stop in Cuba or somewhere else?

The more important point is should we be blowing up suspected drug boats and killing people without giving them the benefit of a trial?

[GannonFan]

Rand Paul absolutely needs to study up because he said these drugs coming from Venezuela have no pathway to the United States

That’s just not true

Klam said it was true without knowing shit

If you would just read the post from yesterday, you wouldn’t of had to repeat me today

What's the context? Can those go-fast boats reach the US directly from Venezuela? Or do they need to stop in Cuba or somewhere else?

The more important point is should we be blowing up suspected drug boats and killing people without giving them the benefit of a trial?

We don't need a trial if there was Congressional assent to use military force, but that hasn't been given either. Trump's in the wrong on this until he brings in the other branch of government and shows proof of, really, anything. Right now it's just videos of blowing stuff up. That's not enough.

[kalm]

Rand Paul doesn't need to study up on this, it's a matter of whether trump has the authority to order these deaths without a trial. If not, he's committing a crime. The reasons might be valid but the ends do not justify the means.

Rand Paul absolutely needs to study up because he said these drugs coming from Venezuela have no pathway to the United States

That’s just not true

Klam said it was true without knowing shit

If you would just read the post from yesterday, you wouldn’t of had to repeat me today

I said what now?

[UNI88]

[UNI88]

[UNI88]

This guy nails it ...

[Caribbean Hen]

Rand Paul absolutely needs to study up because he said these drugs coming from Venezuela have no pathway to the United States

That’s just not true

Klam said it was true without knowing shit

If you would just read the post from yesterday, you wouldn’t of had to repeat me today

What's the context? Can those go-fast boats reach the US directly from Venezuela? Or do they need to stop in Cuba or somewhere else?

The more important point is should we be blowing up suspected drug boats and killing people without giving them the benefit of a trial?

No, these go fasts don’t go directly to the United States. Sometimes they offload their drugs to other boats that are coming out from Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic for a rendezvous. They bring it north to PR/DR and stash it until they can move it on. Corruption on these islands doesn’t help.

Sometimes they use the Lesser Antilles' chain and island hop up towards St Martin. From that Dutch / French island it’s only about 80 miles to US territory and that would be the US Virgin Islands. Lots of migrants and smaller loads of drugs come into St. John, USVI

But almost all of these drugs are eventually headed for the U.S. and most of it arrives via container ships

So it’s like flying from New York to Seattle. You’re eventually gonna be in Seattle but you’ll have a layover somewhere.

Rand should study up

[UNI88]

What's the context? Can those go-fast boats reach the US directly from Venezuela? Or do they need to stop in Cuba or somewhere else?

The more important point is should we be blowing up suspected drug boats and killing people without giving them the benefit of a trial?

No, these go fasts don’t go directly to the United States. Sometimes they offload their drugs to other boats that are coming out from Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic for a rendezvous. They bring it north to PR/DR and stash it until they can move it on. Corruption on these islands doesn’t help.

Sometimes they use the Lesser Antilles' chain and island hop up towards St Martin. From that Dutch / French island it’s only about 80 miles to US territory and that would be the US Virgin Islands. Lots of migrants and smaller loads of drugs come into St. John, USVI

But almost all of these drugs are eventually headed for the U.S. and most of it arrives via container ships

So it’s like flying from New York to Seattle. You’re eventually gonna be in Seattle but you’ll have a layover somewhere.

Rand should study up

Tell me what exactly Rand got wrong. Quote him (i.e. don't put words in his mouth that he didn't actually say).

[Caribbean Hen]

We don’t blow up boats off of Miami because they don’t carry large volumes of drugs like these Go fast boats departing Colombia and Venezuela. They shut that down in the 80s and that’s why they moved to the Caribbean and later to the eastern Pacific. They do smuggle illegal immigrants staged in the Bahamas and small amounts of drugs

He is also wrong that these drugs don’t have a pathway into the United States. Of course they do. Thats just silly

Now, if he wants to argue about if this is legal or not, that’s another story …. He should change his approach.

So it was shutdown off Miami following our own and international laws? Do tell.

And what route are the drugs getting here these days?

Well, I think the way Trump is looking at it is there is just not enough law-enforcement assets to stop the flow of drugs coming in to the United States.

We’ve been using strict operational and legal protocol for almost 50 years in the maritime domain and it hasn’t worked

Trump has completely blown up all of the protocol, pun intended, in exchange for something that could just shut it down to save American lives…. Even Dems

[Caribbean Hen]

No, these go fasts don’t go directly to the United States. Sometimes they offload their drugs to other boats that are coming out from Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic for a rendezvous. They bring it north to PR/DR and stash it until they can move it on. Corruption on these islands doesn’t help.

Sometimes they use the Lesser Antilles' chain and island hop up towards St Martin. From that Dutch / French island it’s only about 80 miles to US territory and that would be the US Virgin Islands. Lots of migrants and smaller loads of drugs come into St. John, USVI

But almost all of these drugs are eventually headed for the U.S. and most of it arrives via container ships

So it’s like flying from New York to Seattle. You’re eventually gonna be in Seattle but you’ll have a layover somewhere.

Rand should study up

Tell me what exactly Rand got wrong. Quote him (i.e. don't put words in his mouth that he didn't actually say).

Read the thread

if it wasn’t for these boats coming up from Colombia and Venezuela, there would be a very serious (but needed) supply problem in the United States

So by Rand Paul saying they don’t have a pathway to “Florida” is wrong ….

He said these boats have “small outboards” many times they have 6 of the most powerful outboards that money can buy. That’s why they call them Go Fasts …


Also, they do make direct runs to Puerto Rico without transferring to other small boats. They just abandon the vessel on the beach. Puerto Rico is the United States.

By the way, if the drugs are in Puerto Rico, they’re essentially in Florida, as Orlando has essentially become Puerto Rico connected by JetBlue airline

Rand might actually know the truth, but he’s not being intellectually honest on this whole deal on the drug part

[UNI88]

Tell me what exactly Rand got wrong. Quote him (i.e. don't put words in his mouth that he didn't actually say).

Read the thread

if it wasn’t for these boats coming up from Colombia and Venezuela, there would be a very serious (but needed) supply problem in the United States

So by Rand Paul saying they don’t have a pathway to “Florida” is wrong ….

He said these boats have “small outboards” many times they have 6 of the most powerful outboards that money can buy. That’s why they call them Go Fasts …

Also, they do make direct runs to Puerto Rico without transferring to other small boats. They just abandon the vessel on the beach. Puerto Rico is the United States.

By the way, if the drugs are in Puerto Rico, they’re essentially in Florida, as Orlando has essentially become Puerto Rico connected by JetBlue airline

Rand might actually know the truth, but he’s not being intellectually honest on this whole deal on the drug part

For reference, here is my attempt at transcribing what Paul said ...

If you go off the coast of Miami, the Coast Guard will be stopping boats today and about 25% of the boats that they stop that they’re suspicious of drugs, there won’t be any drugs on board. So 25% of the time the suspicion is wrong and that’s why we don’t just shoot and blow up boats off of Miami but neither should we be blowing them up off the coast of Venezuela.

Number one, there is no fentanyl made in Venezuela. Not just a little bit, there’s none being made in Venezuela.

These are outboard boats that in order for them to get to Miami would have to stop and refuel 20 times. They’re in all likelihood going to Trinidad-Tobago which is an island right off the coast of Venezuela.

So there’s a lot of reasons to be worried about this. But number one is the broader principle of when can you kill people indiscriminately, when you are at war. That’s why when we declare war it’s supposed to be done by Congress. It’s supposed to be thoughtful. It’s supposed to be debated. And we’re not supposed to do it willy nilly. And then when you have war you just kill people in the war zone. And even then there are rules of engagement.

But interdicting drugs has always been a criminal/anti-crime activity where we don’t just summarily execute people. We actually present evidence and convict them.

The only thing Paul got wrong was the range of the boats. Depending on their speed (impacts their fuel consumption) they could probably get to Miami with 1 stop to refuel.

Maybe stating that there is no fentanyl made in Venezuela is hyperbole but the reality is that the vast majority of the fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico using materials from China.

Nowhere in the Twitter clip did he state that the boats/drugs have "no pathway" to the US/Florida. You stating he said that is itself intellectually dishonest.

You appear to be using the BDKnitpicking approach of attempting to discredit Paul's extremely valid points by focusing on much less relevant details.

[Caribbean Hen]

Read the thread

if it wasn’t for these boats coming up from Colombia and Venezuela, there would be a very serious (but needed) supply problem in the United States

So by Rand Paul saying they don’t have a pathway to “Florida” is wrong ….

He said these boats have “small outboards” many times they have 6 of the most powerful outboards that money can buy. That’s why they call them Go Fasts …

Also, they do make direct runs to Puerto Rico without transferring to other small boats. They just abandon the vessel on the beach. Puerto Rico is the United States.

By the way, if the drugs are in Puerto Rico, they’re essentially in Florida, as Orlando has essentially become Puerto Rico connected by JetBlue airline

Rand might actually know the truth, but he’s not being intellectually honest on this whole deal on the drug part

For reference, here is my attempt at transcribing what Paul said ...

If you go off the coast of Miami, the Coast Guard will be stopping boats today and about 25% of the boats that they stop that they’re suspicious of drugs, there won’t be any drugs on board. So 25% of the time the suspicion is wrong and that’s why we don’t just shoot and blow up boats off of Miami but neither should we be blowing them up off the coast of Venezuela.

Number one, there is no fentanyl made in Venezuela. Not just a little bit, there’s none being made in Venezuela.

These are outboard boats that in order for them to get to Miami would have to stop and refuel 20 times. They’re in all likelihood going to Trinidad-Tobago which is an island right off the coast of Venezuela.

So there’s a lot of reasons to be worried about this. But number one is the broader principle of when can you kill people indiscriminately, when you are at war. That’s why when we declare war it’s supposed to be done by Congress. It’s supposed to be thoughtful. It’s supposed to be debated. And we’re not supposed to do it willy nilly. And then when you have war you just kill people in the war zone. And even then there are rules of engagement.

But interdicting drugs has always been a criminal/anti-crime activity where we don’t just summarily execute people. We actually present evidence and convict them.

The only thing Paul got wrong was the range of the boats. Depending on their speed (impacts their fuel consumption) they could probably get to Miami with 1 stop to refuel.

Maybe stating that there is no fentanyl made in Venezuela is hyperbole but the reality is that the vast majority of the fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico using materials from China.

Nowhere in the Twitter clip did he state that the boats/drugs have "no pathway" to the US/Florida. You stating he said that is itself intellectually dishonest.

You appear to be using the BDKnitpicking approach of attempting to discredit Paul's extremely valid points by focusing on much less relevant details.

You should’ve just sat this one out and stopped pontificating about something you know nothing about

[UNI88]

For reference, here is my attempt at transcribing what Paul said ...

The only thing Paul got wrong was the range of the boats. Depending on their speed (impacts their fuel consumption) they could probably get to Miami with 1 stop to refuel.

Maybe stating that there is no fentanyl made in Venezuela is hyperbole but the reality is that the vast majority of the fentanyl in the US comes from Mexico using materials from China.

Nowhere in the Twitter clip did he state that the boats/drugs have "no pathway" to the US/Florida. You stating he said that is itself intellectually dishonest.

You appear to be using the BDKnitpicking approach of attempting to discredit Paul's extremely valid points by focusing on much less relevant details.

You should’ve just sat this one out and stopped pontificating about something you know nothing about

Then tell me where I'm wrong and quote where Paul said the drugs have "no pathway" to the US.

Or did I bust you putting words into Paul's mouth that he didn't actually say and now you're trying to save face and divert attention by criticizing me?

[Caribbean Hen]

You should’ve just sat this one out and stopped pontificating about something you know nothing about

Then tell me where I'm wrong and quote where Paul said the drugs have "no pathway" to the US.

Or did I bust you putting words into Paul's mouth that he didn't actually say and now you're trying to save face and divert attention by criticizing me?

Well, I made several posts in these threads and you apparently just ignored or didn’t understand any of them

Go back and read them again

[kalm]

Then tell me where I'm wrong and quote where Paul said the drugs have "no pathway" to the US.

Or did I bust you putting words into Paul's mouth that he didn't actually say and now you're trying to save face and divert attention by criticizing me?

Well, I made several posts in these threads and you apparently just ignored or didn’t understand any of them

Go back and read them again

Which drugs are we talking about here? Surely it’s fentanyl?

[UNI88]

Then tell me where I'm wrong and quote where Paul said the drugs have "no pathway" to the US.

Or did I bust you putting words into Paul's mouth that he didn't actually say and now you're trying to save face and divert attention by criticizing me?

Well, I made several posts in these threads and you apparently just ignored or didn’t understand any of them

Go back and read them again

You said and I quote "You should’ve just sat this one out and stopped pontificating about something you know nothing about" which implies that I was wrong so tell me where I was wrong and/or what I was wrong about. Be specific.

And you've stated repeatedly that Paul said the drugs have no pathway to the US. I listened to what he said in that Tweet and didn't hear that so I'll ask again, quote the statement where he said that.

[Caribbean Hen]

Well, I made several posts in these threads and you apparently just ignored or didn’t understand any of them

Go back and read them again

You said and I quote "You should’ve just sat this one out and stopped pontificating about something you know nothing about" which implies that I was wrong so tell me where I was wrong and/or what I was wrong about. Be specific.

And you've stated repeatedly that the drugs have no pathway to the US. I listened to what he said in that Tweet and didn't hear that so I'll ask again, quote the statement where he said that.

wrong

I’ve been giving you examples of why they do have a pathway directly into the United States so stop acting like there’s no drugs in the United States and learn how they’re getting there

“80 percent of all U.S.-bound narcotics seizures occur at sea, underscoring the impact of Coast Guard maritime interdiction efforts. “

[UNI88]

You said and I quote "You should’ve just sat this one out and stopped pontificating about something you know nothing about" which implies that I was wrong so tell me where I was wrong and/or what I was wrong about. Be specific.

And you've stated repeatedly that Paul said the drugs have no pathway to the US. I listened to what he said in that Tweet and didn't hear that so I'll ask again, quote the statement where he said that.

wrong

I’ve been giving you examples of why they do have a pathway directly into the United States so stop acting like there’s no drugs in the United States and learn how they’re getting there

“80 percent of all U.S.-bound narcotics seizures occur at sea, underscoring the impact of Coast Guard maritime interdiction efforts. “

That was a typo that I fixed.

Tell me where I was wrong and/or what I was wrong about. Be specific.

Quote the statement where Paul said the drugs have no pathway to the US.

Or you can continue to duck, dodge and avoid answering the questions.

[UNI88]

Readers added context they thought people might want to know

Claims aren’t debunked. A bipartisan House Ethics Committee found “substantial evidence” that Gaetz paid for sex and that he had sex with a 17-year-old in 2017.

The committee lost jurisdiction to sanction Gaetz after he left the House, but published its findings anyway.

https://ethics.house.gov/wp-content/upl ... Report.pdf

https://apnews.com/article/matt-gaetz-c ... 7fa6b1adcb

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... rt-release

[Caribbean Hen]

wrong

I’ve been giving you examples of why they do have a pathway directly into the United States so stop acting like there’s no drugs in the United States and learn how they’re getting there

“80 percent of all U.S.-bound narcotics seizures occur at sea, underscoring the impact of Coast Guard maritime interdiction efforts. “

That was a typo that I fixed.

Tell me where I was wrong and/or what I was wrong about. Be specific.

Quote the statement where Paul said the drugs have no pathway to the US.

Or you can continue to duck, dodge and avoid answering the questions.

It wasn’t a typo, you got busted lying again

And you will just keep doing it