2025 Schumer Shutdown

[kalm]

Tapper is right. It’s a choice of both parties. Dems are actually showing some backbone and taking a stand on exorbitant health insurance premiums.

They're not really taking a stand - there's really no efforts being undertaken to address the real issue, i.e. Obamacare doesn't work. Closing down the government for more than a month demanding that the government spend more and more money to cover the fact that Obamacare doesn't work isn't backbone or taking a stand - it's political recklessness. We're still going to pay everyone who wasn't working, so we waste money there with no output to show for it. If they extend this further it will hurt the folks that are still working, who can't get side hustles to cover the gaps, and in some cases we may not being paying SNAP benefits to the folks that really need it to get food on the tables. Shutting down the government as a negotiating tactic never worked for the GOP in all the cases before this when they tried it, and the it's not working for the Democrats who tried it this time. At the end of things, Obamacare continues to be exorbitantly expensive and we don't have a solution in place on how to change that.

The only thing that could be considered a success out of all of this would be a personal one for Schumer - when all of this is done, if he doesn't have a legit primary contender then he will think the shutdown was a roaring success. For the rest of us - for the folks who had to stretch money to make ends meet, for the SNAP families that had to find other means to get food on the table, and for the country to still have no answer on how to address skyrocketing costs of Obamacare, this was all just a waste of time. But Chuck gets 6 more years of proximity to power and legal insider trading for his stock portfolio so at least he's happy.

These are different times. Obamacare was a compromise (and originally Mitt Romney’s plan). Not just to satisfy R’s but corporate Dems.

Regardless, the immediate and by all accounts legit concern is huge increased systemically throughout the system…not just Medicare or people who purchase on the open exchange. Healthcare is approaching unaffordable for most and that’s WITH privatized providers and insurance.

Controlling premiums and other patient costs is very real and not the same as other shutdown have been. It’s easy for you and I who can afford it but it’s reaching a crisis situation already with room for it to get far worse if the R’s cuts go through.

Even from an economic standpoint, it’s complete stupidity brought on by short term greed.

[kalm]

Here’s one hint: the answer is in my quoted reply.

R’s have controlled the House since 2022 and the senate too since last January.

Moderate Dems have been status quo and against meaningful change at least going back to Obama’s decision to axe single payer for even basic insurance.

Progressives have been in favor of meaningful change going back decades. See Bernie.

So for once, it’s good to see Dem establishment draw a line in the sand here. Christ, all they’re fighting for at this point is to not make our shitty system even worse and just stay where we’ve been.

Russel Vought and Heritage desire the radical change.

Hope this helps.

Sorry Klam, I don’t need your advice

[Caribbean Hen]

Sorry Klam, I don’t need your advice

And we have also learned that when the elites and the self appointed geniuses think, the results can be disastrous

[UNI88]

And we have also learned that when the elites and the self appointed stable geniuses think, the results can be disastrous

We're seeing that in real time right now.

[kalm]

And we have also learned that when the elites and the self appointed geniuses think, the results can be disastrous

I fully agree with this.

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[UNI88]

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[BDKJMU]

The noose is tightening..

US flight delays spike as air traffic controller absences increase

The shutdown has forced 13,000 air traffic controllers and 50,000 Transportation Security Administration officers to work without pay and snarled tens of thousands of flights.

Earlier, Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy warned the Trump administration would shutter the U.S. aviation system if he thought an ongoing government shutdown was making it too risky to travel.

"If we thought that it was unsafe... we'll shut the whole airspace down. We won't let people travel. We're not there at this point. It's just significant delays," Duffy told CNBC.

On Friday, the FAA said nearly half of the 30 busiest U.S. airports faced shortages of air traffic controllers, leading to more than 6,200 flights being delayed and 500 canceled, in the single worst day since the shutdown began.

In New York on Friday 80% of air traffic controllers were absent, the agency said. Duffy said 65% of delays Friday were caused by controller absences.

More than 3.2 million passengers have had flights delayed or canceled due to air traffic control staffing issues since the shutdown began on October 1 -- including 300,000 Friday alone -- said Airlines for America,….

…The group said 16% of delays were because of staffing issues in October, up from the typical 5% before the shutdown, a figure that has grown to 79% in the first two days of November.

Airlines have been reaching out to lawmakers to raise concerns about the impact of the disruptions on operations.

United CEO Scott Kirby said the ongoing shutdown was impacting flight bookings and airlines are concerned about the looming start of the holiday travel season.

Duffy also said he has no plans to fire air traffic controllers who are calling in sick, saying they "are trying to put food on their families' table. I am asking all of them to come to work."

A growing number of air traffic controller absences during the 34-day-old government shutdown have led to dramatic delays at U.S. airports. Absences by Transportation Security Administration security officers have led to very long lines at San Diego and Houston airports in recent days. Houston Bush had more than three-hour-long security lines on Sunday.

On Saturday there were 4,600 delays and 173 canceled flights, and on Sunday 5,800 delays and 244 canceled flights….

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/duffy- ... 025-11-03/

Starting Friday
Duffy announces airspace restrictions amid record government shutdown
Secretary Duffy said there will be a 10% reduction in capacity at 40 locations across the country
https://www.foxbusiness.com/fox-news-ai ... t-shutdown
If still shutdown next week I imagine that will ratchet up..

[Gil Dobie]

The shutdown is backed by big insurance. They will lose billions of dollars directly from the government, via Obamacare if this budget is passed. Democrats have been told behind the scenes to shutdown, or big insurance will back their opponents in the next election.

Prove me wrong.

[UNI88]

The shutdown is backed by big insurance. They will lose billions of dollars directly from the government, via Obamacare if this budget is passed. Democrats have been told behind the scenes to shutdown, or big insurance will back their opponents in the next election.

Prove me wrong.

WRONG!

There, I proved you wrong following the MAQA rules of engagement.

Honestly, that could be a factor.

[UNI88]

The shutdown is backed by big insurance. They will lose billions of dollars directly from the government, via Obamacare if this budget is passed. Democrats have been told behind the scenes to shutdown, or big insurance will back their opponents in the next election.

Prove me wrong.

WRONG!

There, I proved you wrong following the MAQA rules of engagement.


Honestly, that could be a factor.

[kalm]

The shutdown is backed by big insurance. They will lose billions of dollars directly from the government, via Obamacare if this budget is passed. Democrats have been told behind the scenes to shutdown, or big insurance will back their opponents in the next election.

Prove me wrong.

And there lies much of our problems.

[BDKJMU]

The shutdown is backed by big insurance. They will lose billions of dollars directly from the government, via Obamacare if this budget is passed. Democrats have been told behind the scenes to shutdown, or big insurance will back their opponents in the next election.

Prove me wrong.

WRONG!

There, I proved you wrong following the MAQA rules of engagement.


Honestly, that could be a factor.

You‘re having a TDS triggered by MAGA flareup for posting the same thing 2x in a row. Prove me wrong.

[UNI88]

WRONG!

There, I proved you wrong following the MAQA rules of engagement.


Honestly, that could be a factor.

15 yards for Posting the same thing 2x due to TDS triggered by MAGA flareup.

[BDKJMU]

There is a deal. Shutdown ending. I don’t know details.

[BDKJMU]

Senate Democrats cave, open path to reopening government
Several Senate Democrats crossed the aisle despite getting no guaranteed deal on Obamacare subsidies

….Eight Senate Democrats crossed the aisle to mark the first step in the GOP’s quest to end the shutdown. Many of the lawmakers that splintered from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., were among those engaged in bipartisan talks over the last several weeks.

Among the defectors were Sens. Angus King, I-Maine, John Fetterman, D-Pa., Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev., Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H., Maggie Hassan, D-N.H., Jacky Rosen, D-N.M., Tim Kaine, D-Va., and the number two Democrat in the Senate, Dick Durbin, D-Ill….

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate ... government

[BDKJMU]

Libs are having a meltdown over the donks caving.

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Lol

[Caribbean Hen]

Lol

I’m not exaggerating about these people on snap, almost everyone of them looks over weight to me

No chips and Twinkies should be allowed on SNAP

[BDKJMU]

Lol

I’m not exaggerating about these people on snap, almost everyone of them looks over weight to me

No chips and Twinkies should be allowed on SNAP

And the obese milkin' welfare.
But God if you're five foot three and you're three hundred pounds,
Taxes ought not to pay for your bags of fudge rounds.

[BDKJMU]

Lol

I’m not exaggerating about these people on snap, almost everyone of them looks over weight to me

No chips and Twinkies should be allowed on SNAP

The only thing that should be allowed with food stamps:
-fruits and veggies
-meat
-dairy

I would even argue no carbs including breads. Certainly nothing with high fructose corn syrup.