Found out my BiL, Trump supporter, has completely flipped.
They’re out there. Demographically they’re not likely on Twitter.

Found out my BiL, Trump supporter, has completely flipped.

Chief U.S. District Judge John McConnell wrote in his ruling that the U.S. Department of Transportation and Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy “blatantly overstepped” their authority in attempting to link funding used to maintain roads, bridges and highways to immigration demands.
“The Constitution demands the Court set aside this lawless behavior,” McConnell wrote.


Florida and Texas would be toss up states without gerrymandering.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 8:04 pmLook at Florida
Blue Tallahassee Florida State
Blue Gainesville, University of Florida
Orlando blue 500,000 Puerto Ricans
Good old Miami Dade red because the Cuban population still remembers Castro and how evil communism is

kalm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 9:35 pmFlorida and Texas would be toss up states without gerrymandering.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 8:04 pm
Look at Florida
Blue Tallahassee Florida State
Blue Gainesville, University of Florida
Orlando blue 500,000 Puerto Ricans
Good old Miami Dade red because the Cuban population still remembers Castro and how evil communism is


And?

The claim that Florida and Texas would be tossup states without gerrymandering is


kalm, you're missing the point - they're posting all of this stuff celebrating 2024 to distract attention from the absolute ass whooping trump and MAQA got on November 4, 2025.kalm wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 9:35 pmFlorida and Texas would be toss up states without gerrymandering.Caribbean Hen wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 8:04 pm
Look at Florida
Blue Tallahassee Florida State
Blue Gainesville, University of Florida
Orlando blue 500,000 Puerto Ricans
Good old Miami Dade red because the Cuban population still remembers Castro and how evil communism is

People who exist on propaganda and confirmation bias are

True dat.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 8:25 amkalm, you're missing the point - they're posting all of this stuff celebrating 2024 to distract attention from the absolute ass whooping trump and MAQA got on November 4, 2025.
It's part of the MAQA playbook/MO. Distract attention/attempt to bury anything that makes trump/MAQA look bad.


Interesting take I heard on NPR the other day, and it'll bear watching going forward. You're seeing a lot of job cuts now of white-collar jobs at lots of places like Amazon and others that are already getting into the AI-related productivity boom. Basically, with AI being implemented, there are a lot of jobs, especially office jobs, that are no longer needed. Same kind of situation that occurred in manufacturing jobs from 2000-2020, you saw automation have a huge impact on jobs there - we didn't manufacture less, rather, manufacturing actually picked up significantly during that time period. We just were able to do it with so many fewer manufacturing workers, in that case, mostly blue collar workers. It's like how Amazon warehouses today are largely automated - heck, large portions of them don't even have lights and are completely dark because the automation and robots don't need light to see. Of course, that also coupled with the push back against free trade and got mingled with that - more and more people found that they weren't needed and couldn't get jobs. That led to a lot of unrest on both sides of the aisle - the Tea Party Movement, the Occupy Wall St movement, both being the more well-known ones. Even today, there's still a good chunk of the work force that doesn't really have a purpose or a path to a job that people are worth paying for. Now that you're starting to see that happen with AI and white-collar jobs (and the piece on NPR said it could really be almost any job) what happens when an even larger sector of the workforce, and one accustomed to pretty nice salaries, is no longer needed? I see a reckoning coming that I don't see a lot of current answers for - what does the country do when a large segment of it isn't needed to work?

Newsflash.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 8:25 amkalm, you're missing the point - they're posting all of this stuff celebrating 2024 to distract attention from the absolute ass whooping trump and MAQA got on November 4, 2025.
It's part of the MAQA playbook/MO. Distract attention/attempt to bury anything that makes trump/MAQA look bad.


While it's true those three big races were not surprises (there was no chance of the Dems NOT winning those races), what was interesting was the margin of victory - all were much bigger than what Kamala pulled. But yes, no one really thought there was ever a chance of any of those three races not being won by Democrats.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 10:34 amNewsflash.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 8:25 am
kalm, you're missing the point - they're posting all of this stuff celebrating 2024 to distract attention from the absolute ass whooping trump and MAQA got on November 4, 2025.
It's part of the MAQA playbook/MO. Distract attention/attempt to bury anything that makes trump/MAQA look bad.
-NYC DEEP blue
-NJ solid blue
-VA solid blue
Trump wasn‘t on the ballot. Wasn‘t even a federal election. Trump didn’t get any ass whooping.

BDK is trying to rewrite history. In the leadup to the election, those races were predicted to be much tighter then they turned out. The NJ governor's election was a lean Democratic which meant that some thought Ciattarelli had a potential path to victory. Instead he got trounced.GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 10:56 amWhile it's true those three big races were not surprises (there was no chance of the Dems NOT winning those races), what was interesting was the margin of victory - all were much bigger than what Kamala pulled. But yes, no one really thought there was ever a chance of any of those three races not being won by Democrats.
What was more significant were two other things - one being the approval of CA voters to go even further on gerrymandering than what had already happened in CA (it was relatively gerrymandered before). Gerrymandering, both in blue and red states, has been going on for 200+ years. But now, both sides are pretty much saying, screw the voters, we're going to openly and brazenly fix the election process to benefit our party and our party only. Yay democracy.
The other thing was just the smaller, much more local races. I live in SE PA, and really, other than the question on whether to retain judges at the state level (a unique thing PA does with judges, even at the state supreme court level), there wasn't anything on the ballot but local stuff. But in my area, the turnout was much higher than any non-federal election in years and it was a complete Democrat trouncing in any race where a Dem was going up against a GOP. My school board voted in all 4 Dem candidates over all 4 GOP ones, for a school board that hadn't voted in a Dem candidate in 25 years. I have a friend who had been a township supervisor for the past 20 years and was well respected and had done a great job. But he registers Republican (he always said he didn't like that even in local elections you had to party register) and even he lost his re-election to two complete newcomers, simply because the newcomers registered Democratic. I know people didn't really know who they were voting for, but the ones who came out to vote were just looking at the party and voting that way. Whether they stay motivated enough to win midterms next year when Republican voters will certainly come out in greater numbers than this year will be interesting.

just look at his predictions from the other thread. he thought NJ and Virginia governor were going to be close. he thought Miyares would win VA attorney general.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 11:55 am BDK is trying to rewrite history. In the leadup to the election, those races were predicted to be much tighter then they turned out. The NJ governor's election was a lean Democratic which meant that some thought Ciattarelli had a potential path to victory. Instead he got trounced.

While the "out-loud" gerrymandering certainly started with the Texas grab, there has pretty much always been "behind the scenes" gerrymandering, even outside the census 10 year window, going on in blue and red states for as long as there have been elections. The current version of gerrymandering is just more open and brazen than anything we had before. Maybe that's a good thing, we see how rigged all of this is and how little, sometimes, our individual votes even matter. And at least this is out in the open and visible, whereas the smaller, quieter gerrymandering shifts tend to be unreported or noticed. And it's clear neither side really gives a crap about the voters, it's all about political power. Yay us.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 11:55 amBDK is trying to rewrite history. In the leadup to the election, those races were predicted to be much tighter then they turned out. The NJ governor's election was a lean Democratic which meant that some thought Ciattarelli had a potential path to victory. Instead he got trounced.GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 10:56 am
While it's true those three big races were not surprises (there was no chance of the Dems NOT winning those races), what was interesting was the margin of victory - all were much bigger than what Kamala pulled. But yes, no one really thought there was ever a chance of any of those three races not being won by Democrats.
What was more significant were two other things - one being the approval of CA voters to go even further on gerrymandering than what had already happened in CA (it was relatively gerrymandered before). Gerrymandering, both in blue and red states, has been going on for 200+ years. But now, both sides are pretty much saying, screw the voters, we're going to openly and brazenly fix the election process to benefit our party and our party only. Yay democracy.
The other thing was just the smaller, much more local races. I live in SE PA, and really, other than the question on whether to retain judges at the state level (a unique thing PA does with judges, even at the state supreme court level), there wasn't anything on the ballot but local stuff. But in my area, the turnout was much higher than any non-federal election in years and it was a complete Democrat trouncing in any race where a Dem was going up against a GOP. My school board voted in all 4 Dem candidates over all 4 GOP ones, for a school board that hadn't voted in a Dem candidate in 25 years. I have a friend who had been a township supervisor for the past 20 years and was well respected and had done a great job. But he registers Republican (he always said he didn't like that even in local elections you had to party register) and even he lost his re-election to two complete newcomers, simply because the newcomers registered Democratic. I know people didn't really know who they were voting for, but the ones who came out to vote were just looking at the party and voting that way. Whether they stay motivated enough to win midterms next year when Republican voters will certainly come out in greater numbers than this year will be interesting.
trump might not have been on the ballot but people came out in droves for this type of election to vote against Republicans. BDK can spin it all he wants but IMO they did that because it was a referendum on trump and his policies.
trump started the whole gerrymandering with pressuring texas and other Republican states because he knows he's unpopular and he's worried about the House flipping in 2026. Then California and other Democratic states countered. It's sucks but I also understand why they did it. It's going to make the partisan extremism worse.

To borrow a phrase from our reality TV star turned president: “You’re Fired.”
That’s the message Bucks County voters gave to outgoing Sheriff Fred Harran Tuesday night when they elected Democrat Danny Ceisler to replace him. What’s more is that voter turnout locally was unprecedented for an off year election, clocking in at 49.6% according to the Bucks County Board of Elections. And voters overwhelmingly gave Ceisler the victory by a 10% margin, or more than 25,000 votes as of Wednesday morning. Ceisler’s election was part of what seems like a 50-foot “Blue Wave” that helped Democrats sweep county row offices and win scores of school board and municipal elections up and down the county, as well as elections across the country.
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To Harran, this is common sense law enforcement. At least that’s what he tried to sell to local voters. To others in the community though, it sounded like an open invitation to invite masked, armed, and largely unaccountable ICE agents to terrorize local immigrants or any people of color who presented as potential immigrants, no matter whether they were dropping kids off at school, visiting a sick relative in the hospital, or attending a court date. And you’d have to be living in a media ecosystem bubble of exclusively Fox News, Newsmax and the One America News Network to not see headline after video after photo of immigration agents tear gassing Halloween parades, repeatedly punching a restrained man in the head, or committing other human rights violations.

Ah, the Bucks County Beacon, well known as a left wing rag..UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 2:14 pm Bucks County’s ICE-Loving, MAGA Sheriff Fred Harran Got What He Deserved: A Pink Slip From Voters on Election Night
To borrow a phrase from our reality TV star turned president: “You’re Fired.”
That’s the message Bucks County voters gave to outgoing Sheriff Fred Harran Tuesday night when they elected Democrat Danny Ceisler to replace him. What’s more is that voter turnout locally was unprecedented for an off year election, clocking in at 49.6% according to the Bucks County Board of Elections. And voters overwhelmingly gave Ceisler the victory by a 10% margin, or more than 25,000 votes as of Wednesday morning. Ceisler’s election was part of what seems like a 50-foot “Blue Wave” that helped Democrats sweep county row offices and win scores of school board and municipal elections up and down the county, as well as elections across the country.
...
To Harran, this is common sense law enforcement. At least that’s what he tried to sell to local voters. To others in the community though, it sounded like an open invitation to invite masked, armed, and largely unaccountable ICE agents to terrorize local immigrants or any people of color who presented as potential immigrants, no matter whether they were dropping kids off at school, visiting a sick relative in the hospital, or attending a court date. And you’d have to be living in a media ecosystem bubble of exclusively Fox News, Newsmax and the One America News Network to not see headline after video after photo of immigration agents tear gassing Halloween parades, repeatedly punching a restrained man in the head, or committing other human rights violations.


Is the Bucks County Beacon wrong? Or are you engaging in an ad hominem attack because you don't like the message but can't dispute it?BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 3:53 pmAh, the Bucks County Beacon, well known as a left wing rag..UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 2:14 pm Bucks County’s ICE-Loving, MAGA Sheriff Fred Harran Got What He Deserved: A Pink Slip From Voters on Election Night
And nice Fake News. Immigrants (ie people who are here legally) weren’t being terrorized, only illegal aliens.

No- I live in the Philly area (not Bucks) but am familiar with the Bucks Co Beacon.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 4:06 pmIs the Bucks County Beacon wrong? Or are you engaging in an ad hominem attack because you don't like the message but can't dispute it?
WRONG - the courts have allowed them to profile people so they're terrorizing brown people regardless of status including legal immigrants and citizens. That's part of why Republicans did so poorly on election night.


Then prove the article/opinion piece wrong rather than dismissing it because of the source.BDKJMU wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 4:11 pmNo- I live in the Philly area (not Bucks) but am familiar with the Bucks Co Beacon.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 4:06 pm
Is the Bucks County Beacon wrong? Or are you engaging in an ad hominem attack because you don't like the message but can't dispute it?
WRONG - the courts have allowed them to profile people so they're terrorizing brown people regardless of status including legal immigrants and citizens. That's part of why Republicans did so poorly on election night.
In your opinion.

Who?UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 06, 2025 4:32 pmThen prove the article/opinion piece wrong rather than dismissing it because of the source.
Tell Jose Hermosillo and Leo Garcia Venegas that they wouldn't target citizens/legal immigrants. Should we add in Debbie Brockman, the Reverend David Black, or Quinn Haberl?
I live in Portland and I used to live in Chicago so I know that they're terrorizing patriots in both cities simply for standing up and protesting against what they're doing. They want to squash all resistance, the Constitution be damned.
