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[Caribbean Hen]

They don’t believe these boats are carrying drugs…

The question/issue isn't whether these boats are carry drugs, most of them are. The issues are:

1) What if one of them that we blow up isn't carrying drugs? Then we as a nation have just murdered someone. That is a crime. We should be interdicting them, proving they are carrying drugs and proceeding from there not blowing them up based on the suspicion that they're carrying drugs, no matter how strong.

If you'd actually listened to what Rand Paul said in the "no pathway" tweet they you so notoriously misquoted he stated something like this:

If you go off the coast of Miami, the Coast Guard will be stopping boats today and about 25% of the boats that they stop that they’re suspicious of drugs, there won’t be any drugs on board. So 25% of the time the suspicion is wrong and that’s why we don’t just shoot and blow up boats off of Miami but neither should we be blowing them up off the coast of Venezuela.

I don't care if it's 5%, 10%, or 25%. Destroying one boat and killing those on board if they aren't carrying drugs is murder.

2) If the early September survivors were clinging to wreckage and "out of the fight" it was likely a violation of the USMCJ and Geneva Convention to hit them again. It needs to be investigated. But Whiskeyleaks is more worried about how Senator Kelly wore his medals years ago than leading with the dignity and honor befitting an American officer.

Do you know where the boats coming into “Miami” are departing from?

And actually, they’re not coming into Miami. It’s too well lit and populated with recreational boaters and all kinds of law-enforcement. Not just the Coast Guard.

Most of these boats coming into South Florida depart from the Bahamas, Grand Bahama Island is notorious because it’s like a 50 mile shot across the Florida Straits into South Florida. They usually don’t pick metropolitan areas to do their business. The boats doing business off of Rands “ Miami “ are normal pleasure craft that will typically bring 8 to 12 illegal migrants and a few of them will be carrying backpacks with drugs.
The area north of Vero Beach like St. Lucie County is a hot spot. It’s a completely different vector than the big boys down in South America and their drug routes and Stealthy Go Fasts with five outboard engines and ten 55 gallon drums that they use to refuel at sea.

We know about these boats before they depart and we know who is organizing the run. If they didn’t have any drugs on board, they wouldn’t even be out there.
It’s a dangerous business, but somebody’s gotta do it

[UNI88]

The question/issue isn't whether these boats are carry drugs, most of them are. The issues are:

1) What if one of them that we blow up isn't carrying drugs? Then we as a nation have just murdered someone. That is a crime. We should be interdicting them, proving they are carrying drugs and proceeding from there not blowing them up based on the suspicion that they're carrying drugs, no matter how strong.

If you'd actually listened to what Rand Paul said in the "no pathway" tweet they you so notoriously misquoted he stated something like this:

I don't care if it's 5%, 10%, or 25%. Destroying one boat and killing those on board if they aren't carrying drugs is murder.

2) If the early September survivors were clinging to wreckage and "out of the fight" it was likely a violation of the USMCJ and Geneva Convention to hit them again. It needs to be investigated. But Whiskeyleaks is more worried about how Senator Kelly wore his medals years ago than leading with the dignity and honor befitting an American officer.

Do you know where the boats coming into “Miami” are departing from?

And actually, they’re not coming into Miami. It’s too well lit and populated with recreational boaters and all kinds of law-enforcement. Not just the Coast Guard.

Most of these boats coming into South Florida depart from the Bahamas, Grand Bahama Island is notorious because it’s like a 50 mile shot across the Florida Straits into South Florida. They usually don’t pick metropolitan areas to do their business. The boats doing business off of Rands “ Miami “ are normal pleasure craft that will typically bring 8 to 12 illegal migrants and a few of them will be carrying backpacks with drugs.
The area north of Vero Beach like St. Lucie County is a hot spot. It’s a completely different vector than the big boys down in South America and their drug routes and Stealthy Go Fasts with five outboard engines and ten 55 gallon drums that they use to refuel at sea.

We know about these boats before they depart and we know who is organizing the run. If they didn’t have any drugs on board, they wouldn’t even be out there.
It’s a dangerous business, but somebody’s gotta do it

"Off the coast of Miami" doesn't mean they're going into Miami.

I'm not following you down the rabbit hole of distraction/deflection. My points stand as I wrote them.

[Caribbean Hen]

Do you know where the boats coming into “Miami” are departing from?

And actually, they’re not coming into Miami. It’s too well lit and populated with recreational boaters and all kinds of law-enforcement. Not just the Coast Guard.

Most of these boats coming into South Florida depart from the Bahamas, Grand Bahama Island is notorious because it’s like a 50 mile shot across the Florida Straits into South Florida. They usually don’t pick metropolitan areas to do their business. The boats doing business off of Rands “ Miami “ are normal pleasure craft that will typically bring 8 to 12 illegal migrants and a few of them will be carrying backpacks with drugs.
The area north of Vero Beach like St. Lucie County is a hot spot. It’s a completely different vector than the big boys down in South America and their drug routes and Stealthy Go Fasts with five outboard engines and ten 55 gallon drums that they use to refuel at sea.

We know about these boats before they depart and we know who is organizing the run. If they didn’t have any drugs on board, they wouldn’t even be out there.
It’s a dangerous business, but somebody’s gotta do it

"Off the coast of Miami" doesn't mean they're going into Miami.

I'm not following you down the rabbit hole of distraction/deflection. My points stand as I wrote them.

Ohh

I just explain to you how Rands “Miami” is not really Miami and then you post that….. go stand in the corner for the rest of the day

[SeattleGriz]

I’d vote for the undead zombie version of Biden before I’d support a psychologically dysregulated fascist. But you go ahead and rock that shit, sister!

“That’s right, Jack. Tell old SeaGriz that 2025 has taken a load off for this old timer.”

I voted also for Biden in 2020 and don't regret that vote in the least, especially considering the, IMO, impeachable and removable conduct of Trump in the aftermath of that election. Granted, I also assumed that Biden, clearly showing signs of early dementia during what amounted to the campaign in the COVID shortened election cycle, would be the transition guy he pledged to be and would've stepped aside during his first term to let someone else finish his term and run as a pseudo incumbent in 2024. I didn't count on the cadre of people behind Biden that enjoyed running the Presidency with him as a figurehead so much that they actually thought they could "Weekend at Bernie's" in 2024 to a whole second term. But alas, that still doesn't make me regret my vote in 2020 in the least.

Of course you don't. You probably didn't mind the fact Kamala was installed instead of running a mini vote, but hey disenfranchisement is the antithesis of our elections.

The fact remains you are perfectly fine with people who were not voted into office, ran America for four years.

You, as well as Klam have no leg to stand on to bitch about anything Trump.

[SeattleGriz]

Says the guy who voted for Biden, when he knew he was mentally incompetent. Nobody takes your over the top rants against Trump seriously because they are not moored in reality, just establishment narrative.

You should take up something relaxing.

I’d vote for the undead zombie version of Biden before I’d support a psychologically dysregulated fascist. But you go ahead and rock that shit, sister!

“That’s right, Jack. Tell old SeaGriz that 2025 has taken a load off for this old timer.”

And that is exactly why no one takes you seriously. You are fine with anything as long as it benefits your tribe.

[SeattleGriz]

Says the guy who voted for Biden, when he knew he was mentally incompetent. Nobody takes your over the top rants against Trump seriously because they are not moored in reality, just establishment narrative.

You should take up something relaxing.

Nobody takes your over the top defense of Trump seriously because it is not moored in reality, just MAQA narrative.

You should take up something rational.

It's not a defense of Trump so much as it's a defense for ANYTHING different than what the Uniparty offers. I really wanted Bernie to win, simply to get Liberals to understand as soon as we start voting out establishment toads, we'll hopefully see changes.

[UNI88]

"Off the coast of Miami" doesn't mean they're going into Miami.

I'm not following you down the rabbit hole of distraction/deflection. My points stand as I wrote them.

Ohh

I just explain to you how Rands “Miami” is not really Miami and then you post that….. go stand in the corner for the rest of the day

You posted a bunch of BS that has nothing to do with the possibility that not every single one of the boats they're hitting is carrying drugs. If they hit one boat that isn't carrying drugs then they are committing murder. That is a crime. PERIOD.

No St. Lucie County or similar distractions/deflections will change that.

Stand in your own corner.

[SeattleGriz]

Ohh

I just explain to you how Rands “Miami” is not really Miami and then you post that….. go stand in the corner for the rest of the day

You posted a bunch of BS that has nothing to do with the possibility that not every single one of the boats they're hitting is carrying drugs. If they hit one boat that isn't carrying drugs then they are committing murder. That is a crime. PERIOD.

No St. Lucie County or similar distractions/deflections will change that.

Stand in your own corner.

Were you complaining about Obama double tapping hundreds of civilians? Obama would drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene. Clear cut killing of innocents.

This is what is so astounding. ALL the crap you blame on Trump was all done before, but you all were quiet as church mice.

[kalm]

I’d vote for the undead zombie version of Biden before I’d support a psychologically dysregulated fascist. But you go ahead and rock that shit, sister!

“That’s right, Jack. Tell old SeaGriz that 2025 has taken a load off for this old timer.”

And that is exactly why no one takes you seriously. You are fine with anything as long as it benefits your tribe.

My tribe? My tribe? My tribe is America. GTFO if you don’t like it.

Hunter 2028!

[UNI88]

You posted a bunch of BS that has nothing to do with the possibility that not every single one of the boats they're hitting is carrying drugs. If they hit one boat that isn't carrying drugs then they are committing murder. That is a crime. PERIOD.

No St. Lucie County or similar distractions/deflections will change that.

Stand in your own corner.

Were you complaining about Obama double tapping hundreds of civilians? Obama would drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene. Clear cut killing of innocents.

This is what is so astounding. ALL the crap you blame on Trump was all done before, but you all were quiet as church mice.

Proof that Obama would "drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene"? Proof that he was intentionally killing innocents or those who were out of the fight and that they weren't collateral damage as those who were in the fight were targeted?

This has been brought up multiple times but Obama also operated under AUMF, he was stretching it but he had it. Does trump have Congressional approval?

[SeattleGriz]

And that is exactly why no one takes you seriously. You are fine with anything as long as it benefits your tribe.

My tribe? My tribe? My tribe is America. GTFO if you don’t like it.

Hunter 2028!

Yes, your tribe of unelected officials you supporting in undercutting true American values.

Whatever you call it, a Technocracy or Oligarchy or Cliquism. You supported that.

[SeattleGriz]

Were you complaining about Obama double tapping hundreds of civilians? Obama would drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene. Clear cut killing of innocents.

This is what is so astounding. ALL the crap you blame on Trump was all done before, but you all were quiet as church mice.

Proof that Obama would "drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene"? Proof that he was intentionally killing innocents or those who were out of the fight and that they weren't collateral damage as those who were in the fight were targeted?

This has been brought up multiple times but Obama also operated under AUMF, he was stretching it but he had it. Does trump have Congressional approval?

Geez. I didn't know drug runners took their families with them on their "boating" trips. Trump has the authority.

Nevermind Obama didn't have AUMF authority for illegally placing troops in Syria. See? This game is easy. Glass houses.

[kalm]

My tribe? My tribe? My tribe is America. GTFO if you don’t like it.

Hunter 2028!

Yes, your tribe of unelected officials you supporting in undercutting true American values.

Whatever you call it, a Technocracy or Oligarchy or Cliquism. You supported that.

Well at least I called for Biden to step down and for there to be an actual convention rather than rubber stamping Kamala.

Here you are still cuffing the dummy to your god-king.

Idolator!

[UNI88]

Proof that Obama would "drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene"? Proof that he was intentionally killing innocents or those who were out of the fight and that they weren't collateral damage as those who were in the fight were targeted?

This has been brought up multiple times but Obama also operated under AUMF, he was stretching it but he had it. Does trump have Congressional approval?

Geez. I didn't know drug runners took their families with them on their "boating" trips. Trump has the authority.

Nevermind Obama didn't have AUMF authority for illegally placing troops in Syria. See? This game is easy. Glass houses.

You stated, and I quote "Obama would drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene." And when I ask for proof you move the goalposts to some blather about drug runners taking their families with them on their "boating" trips. Lazy. Weak. Ass. Sauce.

[SeattleGriz]

Yes, your tribe of unelected officials you supporting in undercutting true American values.

Whatever you call it, a Technocracy or Oligarchy or Cliquism. You supported that.

Well at least I called for Biden to step down and for there to be an actual convention rather than rubber stamping Kamala.

Here you are still cuffing the dummy to your god-king.

Idolator!

My bad. I did not catch that.

[SeattleGriz]

Geez. I didn't know drug runners took their families with them on their "boating" trips. Trump has the authority.

Nevermind Obama didn't have AUMF authority for illegally placing troops in Syria. See? This game is easy. Glass houses.

You stated, and I quote "Obama would drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene." And when I ask for proof you move the goalposts to some blather about drug runners taking their families with them on their "boating" trips. Lazy. Weak. Ass. Sauce.

Fair on that, I did switch the goalposts after you replied, but see how easy it was to find an instance where that piece of shit Obama killed whoever he wanted.

[SeattleGriz]

Geez. I didn't know drug runners took their families with them on their "boating" trips. Trump has the authority.

Nevermind Obama didn't have AUMF authority for illegally placing troops in Syria. See? This game is easy. Glass houses.

You stated, and I quote "Obama would drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene." And when I ask for proof you move the goalposts to some blather about drug runners taking their families with them on their "boating" trips. Lazy. Weak. Ass. Sauce.

Oh no. Just came across this. Apparently this is Trump's authority.

What do you know. Previous presidents did it a lot, but only now is it a problem.

Caveat: I haven't researched this. I'm just going with flare on this one.

[SeattleGriz]

Trump is just like him!!!

[Caribbean Hen]

Ohh

I just explain to you how Rands “Miami” is not really Miami and then you post that….. go stand in the corner for the rest of the day

You posted a bunch of BS that has nothing to do with the possibility that not every single one of the boats they're hitting is carrying drugs. If they hit one boat that isn't carrying drugs then they are committing murder. That is a crime. PERIOD.

No St. Lucie County or similar distractions/deflections will change that.

Stand in your own corner.

Hey Dufus, you were the one who brought up Rands “Miami”



You ask questions and when I offer you answers you hold your ears because the truth hurts….

You don’t give a shit about all the murders that these druggies are committing by transporting tons of this poison

The thugs on these boats are the murderers dumbass

[BDKJMU]

I can admit Trump 1.0 was much different than 2.0

Not really happy with how his focus went from main street during his first term to wall street in his second.

He's still leagues above any fuck that is establishment though.

No. He’s not. He’s got full blown psych issues…malignant narcism, sociopathy, white matter disease, Alzheimer’s…? There’s no denying his authoritarian goals…there are too many examples. His way of governance is not America.

The damage from his actions (legal, political, economic, international relations) will already take decades to repair.

And I hate the establishment too.

Plus…he’s a sexual predator.

Says the guy who voted for Biden, when he knew he was mentally incompetent. Nobody takes your over the top rants against Trump seriously because they are not moored in reality, just establishment narrative.

You should take up something relaxing.

I’d vote for the undead zombie version of Biden before I’d support a psychologically dysregulated fascist. But you go ahead and rock that shit, sister!

“That’s right, Jack. Tell old SeaGriz that 2025 has taken a load off for this old timer.”

Lol at least Trump is accused by adult women. You have no problem voting for a creepy demented old man who has video after video after video of creepy inappropriate touching/fondling of women AND of kids he doesn’t even know.

[kalm]

No. He’s not. He’s got full blown psych issues…malignant narcism, sociopathy, white matter disease, Alzheimer’s…? There’s no denying his authoritarian goals…there are too many examples. His way of governance is not America.

The damage from his actions (legal, political, economic, international relations) will already take decades to repair.

And I hate the establishment too.

Plus…he’s a sexual predator.

I’d vote for the undead zombie version of Biden before I’d support a psychologically dysregulated fascist. But you go ahead and rock that shit, sister!

“That’s right, Jack. Tell old SeaGriz that 2025 has taken a load off for this old timer.”

Lol at least Trump is accused by adult women. You have no problem voting for a creepy demented old man who has video after video after video of creepy inappropriate touching/fondling of women AND of kids he doesn’t even know.

I’ll trust the families and law enforcement to press charges if necessary. Why haven’t they?

Trump is far more likely to have fucked children than Biden. Id suggest applying some common sense here.

[UNI88]

No. He’s not. He’s got full blown psych issues…malignant narcism, sociopathy, white matter disease, Alzheimer’s…? There’s no denying his authoritarian goals…there are too many examples. His way of governance is not America.

The damage from his actions (legal, political, economic, international relations) will already take decades to repair.

And I hate the establishment too.

Plus…he’s a sexual predator.

I’d vote for the undead zombie version of Biden before I’d support a psychologically dysregulated fascist. But you go ahead and rock that shit, sister!

“That’s right, Jack. Tell old SeaGriz that 2025 has taken a load off for this old timer.”

Lol at least Trump is accused by adult women. You have no problem voting for a creepy demented old man who has video after video after video of creepy inappropriate touching/fondling of women AND of kids he doesn’t even know.

Miss Teen USA contestants …


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[UNI88]

You stated, and I quote "Obama would drone a supposed terrorist and then have the drone fly back in 20 minutes and kill the families and first responders on the scene." And when I ask for proof you move the goalposts to some blather about drug runners taking their families with them on their "boating" trips. Lazy. Weak. Ass. Sauce.

Oh no. Just came across this. Apparently this is Trump's authority.

What do you know. Previous presidents did it a lot, but only now is it a problem.

Caveat: I haven't researched this. I'm just going with flare on this one.

Good thing you put that caveat there …

Fact Check: Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 Supported By Chuck Schumer Does NOT Make It Legal To 'Blow Drug Boats Out Of The Water'

Ian Ralby, an attorney and non-resident senior fellow at the Center for Maritime Strategy who specializes in maritime security, told Lead Stories via email about the 1986 Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act:

No, it 100% does not make it legal 'to take out drug boats' by blowing them up in the fashion pursued by the Trump Administration. The MDLEA is a domestic law that allows the United States to engage in law enforcement operations against vessels suspected of drug trafficking outside the territory of the United States.

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[SeattleGriz]

Oh no. Just came across this. Apparently this is Trump's authority.

What do you know. Previous presidents did it a lot, but only now is it a problem.

Caveat: I haven't researched this. I'm just going with flare on this one.

Good thing you put that caveat there …

Fact Check: Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 Supported By Chuck Schumer Does NOT Make It Legal To 'Blow Drug Boats Out Of The Water'

Ian Ralby, an attorney and non-resident senior fellow at the Center for Maritime Strategy who specializes in maritime security, told Lead Stories via email about the 1986 Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act:

No, it 100% does not make it legal 'to take out drug boats' by blowing them up in the fashion pursued by the Trump Administration. The MDLEA is a domestic law that allows the United States to engage in law enforcement operations against vessels suspected of drug trafficking outside the territory of the United States.

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Lead Time website.

[kalm]

Good thing you put that caveat there …

Fact Check: Maritime Drug Law Enforcement Act of 1986 Supported By Chuck Schumer Does NOT Make It Legal To 'Blow Drug Boats Out Of The Water'





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Lead Time website.

Haven’t heard of it. Is it unreliable?