Dark Enlightenment

[SeattleGriz]

Thank you. Same concept. Due to empathy, we allow the minority to subvert the majority.

Do you think empathy is a bad thing?

Not at all.

We can't save all the gumballs.

[SeattleGriz]

What minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?

I said MAQA right not conservative right. They're different. MAQA right is an extreme populist movement, not conservative.

You go first, which progressive policies are subverting the American majority?

Lol! First the ChatGPT mistake, now this.

[kalm]

I agree. It applies to the MAQA right just as much as it does to the progressive left.

What minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?

Effective tax rate.

Deregulation of various industries.

Anti-trust enforcement

Consumer protection

[UNI88]

I said MAQA right not conservative right. They're different. MAQA right is an extreme populist movement, not conservative.

You go first, which progressive policies are subverting the American majority?

Lol! First the ChatGPT mistake, now this.

You're going to surrender that easily?

You can't even tell me any progressive policies that are subverting the American majority?

Are you lazy, lame, weak, or all of the above?

[SeattleGriz]

What minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?

Effective tax rate.

Deregulation of various industries.

Anti-trust enforcement

Consumer protection

How are these examples of suicidal empathy?

[SeattleGriz]

Lol! First the ChatGPT mistake, now this.

You're going to surrender that easily?

You can't even tell me any progressive policies that are subverting the American majority?

Are you lazy, lame, weak, or all of the above?

You're the one who was asked first, and as usual, it is obvious you are talking out your butt.

I'll help you out. Open borders.

[UNI88]

You're going to surrender that easily?

You can't even tell me any progressive policies that are subverting the American majority?

Are you lazy, lame, weak, or all of the above?

You're the one who was asked first, and as usual, it is obvious you are talking out your butt.

I'll help you out. Open borders.

That's a good one.

Here's one back - Deporting immigrants who have been in the in the US illegally for a number of years, have jobs, and no criminal record.

Do you want to do this one at a time or do you want to give me a list and I'll respond in kind?

[SeattleGriz]

You're the one who was asked first, and as usual, it is obvious you are talking out your butt.

I'll help you out. Open borders.

That's a good one.

Here's one back - Deporting immigrants who have been in the in the US illegally for a number of years, have jobs, and no criminal record.

Do you want to do this one at a time or do you want to give me a list and I'll respond in kind?

Holy shit. That is not suicidal empathy. Not even close.

Try again.

[UNI88]

That's a good one.

Here's one back - Deporting immigrants who have been in the in the US illegally for a number of years, have jobs, and no criminal record.

Do you want to do this one at a time or do you want to give me a list and I'll respond in kind?

Holy shit. That is not suicidal empathy. Not even close.

Try again.

WRONG AGAIN!

Reading comprehension is essential - you asked "what minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?"

And that is a MAQA right (not conservative) policy that is "subverting the American majority":

A majority, 57%, oppose deporting immigrants who have been in the in the United States illegally for a number of years, have jobs, and no criminal record, while 43% favor deportation in this circumstance.

New Marquette Law School Poll national survey finds public strongly favors some Trump policies, strongly opposes others

Empathy doesn't have to be empathy toward 3rd world immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. that is suicidal. It can be empathy toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc. that is "suicidal".

MAQA is a rightwing version of woke. You are what you profess to hate.

[kalm]

Effective tax rate.

Deregulation of various industries.

Anti-trust enforcement

Consumer protection

How are these examples of suicidal empathy?

They’re clearly not. And that’s not the question you asked. I’ll ask my question again. Is empathy a bad thing?

[SeattleGriz]

Holy shit. That is not suicidal empathy. Not even close.

Try again.

WRONG AGAIN!

Reading comprehension is essential - you asked "what minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?"

And that is a MAQA right (not conservative) policy that is "subverting the American majority":

A majority, 57%, oppose deporting immigrants who have been in the in the United States illegally for a number of years, have jobs, and no criminal record, while 43% favor deportation in this circumstance.

New Marquette Law School Poll national survey finds public strongly favors some Trump policies, strongly opposes others

Empathy doesn't have to be empathy toward 3rd world immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. that is suicidal. It can be empathy toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc. that is "suicidal".

MAQA is a rightwing version of woke. You are what you profess to hate.

Uni StWrong. Please do some reading before replying.

[SeattleGriz]

How are these examples of suicidal empathy?

They’re clearly not. And that’s not the question you asked. I’ll ask my question again. Is empathy a bad thing?

No, empathy isn't wrong, but it doesn't get to over rule a logic based argument. This was your downfall with COVID. You didn't argue science, you argued morality and it changed and shifted with the wind.

[UNI88]

WRONG AGAIN!

Reading comprehension is essential - you asked "what minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?"

And that is a MAQA right (not conservative) policy that is "subverting the American majority":

New Marquette Law School Poll national survey finds public strongly favors some Trump policies, strongly opposes others

Empathy doesn't have to be empathy toward 3rd world immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. that is suicidal. It can be empathy toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc. that is "suicidal".

MAQA is a rightwing version of woke. You are what you profess to hate.

Uni StWrong. Please do some reading before replying.

You've got nothing once again.

Your surrender is accepted. Leave your phone, laptop/desktop, keyboard, mouse, monitor and any other peripherals and return home to your family.

[kalm]

They’re clearly not. And that’s not the question you asked. I’ll ask my question again. Is empathy a bad thing?

No, empathy isn't wrong, but it doesn't get to over rule a logic based argument. This was your downfall with COVID. You didn't argue science, you argued morality and it changed and shifted with the wind.

I argued both and provided more legit science on the topic than you. Not to mention, there was historical data from economic crises and previous pandemics to back it up.

Empathy vs. Logic is an interesting debate. You can’t have one without the other. Or do you think survival of the fittest should govern these decisions. A little old culling of the herd if you will.

[SeattleGriz]

Uni StWrong. Please do some reading before replying.

You've got nothing once again.

Your surrender is accepted. Leave your phone, laptop/desktop, keyboard, mouse, monitor and any other peripherals and return home to your family.

Hey goofball. You're the one who said you had examples of suicidal empathy and even pulled the quote, I'd expect you to actually provide one that meets the requirements. But as usual, you believe you've pulled some enlightenment by swapping roles and acting like that's all it takes.

Wrong.

[SeattleGriz]

No, empathy isn't wrong, but it doesn't get to over rule a logic based argument. This was your downfall with COVID. You didn't argue science, you argued morality and it changed and shifted with the wind.

I argued both and provided more legit science on the topic than you. Not to mention, there was historical data from economic crises and previous pandemics to back it up.

Empathy vs. Logic is an interesting debate. You can’t have one without the other. Or do you think survival of the fittest should govern these decisions. A little old culling of the herd if you will.

No you didn't. In the first example, I asked how what you posted was suicidal empathy. You agreed they weren't.

In the COVID example, you NEVER provided facts because they didn't support your Utilitarian ethical framework of the greater good. Now if you had been able to articulate the absolute risk reduction and secondary attack rates proved the shot was going to save lives and end the pandemic, you'd have had a science based argument, but you didn't. It was all feelz and your self inflated morality driving your choices.

Facts remain that the absolute risk reduction sat at .84% and as we all saw, did not stop transmission. In addition the Number Needed to Vaccinate (NNTV) was:

*120 people vaccinated to prevent mild illness
*600 to prevent a hospitalization with confidence intervals between 13% and 99% ( this means they had so few people in the RCT that were hospitalized they can't with any real confidence give a reliable number)
*22,000 vaccinated adults to prevent one death (confidence intervals crosses zero, so they could not prove it worked. In actuality, there were more dead people on the vaccinated arm than unvaccinated. No wonder they unblinded the trial).
*In children under 18, the reduction was so low, it couldn't be calculated for hospitalization and deaths.

This is data showing the shots sucked ass and 99.9+% of the population wasn't at risk. But you kept going.

Your moral stance hurt far greater than helped. You practiced reductionism. If it's good for one person, let's reduce the complexity and simply say it works for everyone. Everyone get a shot!

I'll have you know the logical conclusion to your "greatest good" framework dictates we kill one healthy person who visits a hospital and so we can harvest organs to save four others. That's the greatest good.

[SeattleGriz]

To get this back to topic, I am NOT happy about how our government works in regards to appointing all your buddies to important positions regardless of skill set.

Perfect example is Kelly Loeffler, head of SBA. As far as I can tell, her credentials are having graduated from DePaul with an MBA in 2002 and then marrying the CEO of the second company she worked for outside of college. The husband owns the NYSE.

Another example would he Hillary. No qualifications other than Bill being POTUS. I think her email scandal proved how much of a hard worker she was. 60k in emails with slightly over half personal in nature. Nice work ethic.

[kalm]

I argued both and provided more legit science on the topic than you. Not to mention, there was historical data from economic crises and previous pandemics to back it up.

Empathy vs. Logic is an interesting debate. You can’t have one without the other. Or do you think survival of the fittest should govern these decisions. A little old culling of the herd if you will.

No you didn't. In the first example, I asked how what you posted was suicidal empathy. You agreed they weren't.

In the COVID example, you NEVER provided facts because they didn't support your Utilitarian ethical framework of the greater good. Now if you had been able to articulate the absolute risk reduction and secondary attack rates proved the shot was going to save lives and end the pandemic, you'd have had a science based argument, but you didn't. It was all feelz and your self inflated morality driving your choices.

Facts remain that the absolute risk reduction sat at .84% and as we all saw, did not stop transmission. In addition the Number Needed to Vaccinate (NNTV) was:

*120 people vaccinated to prevent mild illness
*600 to prevent a hospitalization with confidence intervals between 13% and 99% ( this means they had so few people in the RCT that were hospitalized they can't with any real confidence give a reliable number)
*22,000 vaccinated adults to prevent one death (confidence intervals crosses zero, so they could not prove it worked. In actuality, there were more dead people on the vaccinated arm than unvaccinated. No wonder they unblinded the trial).
*In children under 18, the reduction was so low, it couldn't be calculated for hospitalization and deaths.

This is data showing the shots sucked ass and 99.9+% of the population wasn't at risk. But you kept going.

Your moral stance hurt far greater than helped. You practiced reductionism. If it's good for one person, let's reduce the complexity and simply say it works for everyone. Everyone get a shot!

I'll have you know the logical conclusion to your "greatest good" framework dictates we kill one healthy person who visits a hospital and so we can harvest organs to save four others. That's the greatest good.

Your memory is poor, you’re countering with arguments I already put to rest, and then inventing (perhaps imprinting ?) your own argument’s shortcomings. Still trying to claim victory I guess.

[UNI88]

You've got nothing once again.

Your surrender is accepted. Leave your phone, laptop/desktop, keyboard, mouse, monitor and any other peripherals and return home to your family.

Hey goofball. You're the one who said you had examples of suicidal empathy and even pulled the quote, I'd expect you to actually provide one that meets the requirements. But as usual, you believe you've pulled some enlightenment by swapping roles and acting like that's all it takes.

Wrong.

WRONG AGAIN! I never said I had examples of suicidal empathy. I said I had examples of MAQA policies that are subverting the American majority and I provided one. You really should ask the University of Montana for a refund because your reading comprehension is sh!t.

Transcript of our "conversation/debate":

• SG: Thank you. Same concept. Due to empathy, we allow the minority to subvert the majority.
• 88: I agree. It applies to the MAQA right just as much as it does to the progressive left.
• SG: What minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?
• 88: I said MAQA right not conservative right. They're different. MAQA right is an extreme populist movement, not conservative. You go first, which progressive policies are subverting the American majority?
• SG: Lol! First the ChatGPT mistake, now this.
• 88: You're going to surrender that easily? You can't even tell me any progressive policies that are subverting the American majority? Are you lazy, lame, weak, or all of the above?
• SG: You're the one who was asked first, and as usual, it is obvious you are talking out your butt. I'll help you out. Open borders.
• 88: That's a good one. Here's one back - Deporting immigrants who have been in the in the US illegally for a number of years, have jobs, and no criminal record. Do you want to do this one at a time or do you want to give me a list and I'll respond in kind?
• SG: Holy shit. That is not suicidal empathy. Not even close. Try again.
• 88: WRONG AGAIN! Reading comprehension is essential - you asked "what minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?" And that is a MAQA right (not conservative) policy that is "subverting the American majority" Empathy doesn't have to be empathy toward 3rd world immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. that is suicidal. It can be empathy toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc. that is "suicidal". MAQA is a rightwing version of woke. You are what you profess to hate.
• SG (flailing): Uni StWrong. Please do some reading before replying.
• 88: You've got nothing once again. Your surrender is accepted. Leave your phone, laptop/desktop, keyboard, mouse, monitor and any other peripherals and return home to your family.

But just to make you happy, I'll give you some MAQA policies that are examples of suicidal empathy (toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc.):

• Blurring/attacking the separation between church and state (arguing that the US is a "Christian" nation, requiring the 10 Commandments, Bibles, etc. in classrooms/curriculum)
• Going the 180 degrees on immigration from open borders to discouraging immigration. Measured immigration is good for the US. It brings in other countries' best and brightest as well as people from 3rd world countries who want to work hard and improve their lot in life. Shutting that off will have detrimental longterm effects.
• Appeasement of male grievances and attempting to force MAQA morals and norms on others - attacking feminism, women focused on careers rather than children and families, blaming women and minorities for the shortcomings and failures of white males, etc.
• Not accepting results, blaming others for losses, especially the government, courts, and media - undermines faith in our institutions and erodes the Republic.
• Trade wars & tariffs.
• Denigrating our allies while sucking up to dictators and our enemies.

That's the thing that the MAQA right doesn't seem to understand - there are very few attacks it can make on the woke, progressive, liberal left that can't be turned and used against them. The two sides are twins.

[kalm]

I don’t think Gad Saad completely understands what empathy is in a philosophical context. Empathy or for that matter compassion do not imply that you should be steamrolled by bad behavior and those incapable of receiving empathy. Hence the need for boundaries or laws.

He might just be in love with his own idea and phrasing.

The great philosophers including Jesus didn’t place conditions on things like love, kindness, and empathy. They knew there would never be enough of these.

[SeattleGriz]

No you didn't. In the first example, I asked how what you posted was suicidal empathy. You agreed they weren't.

In the COVID example, you NEVER provided facts because they didn't support your Utilitarian ethical framework of the greater good. Now if you had been able to articulate the absolute risk reduction and secondary attack rates proved the shot was going to save lives and end the pandemic, you'd have had a science based argument, but you didn't. It was all feelz and your self inflated morality driving your choices.

Facts remain that the absolute risk reduction sat at .84% and as we all saw, did not stop transmission. In addition the Number Needed to Vaccinate (NNTV) was:

*120 people vaccinated to prevent mild illness
*600 to prevent a hospitalization with confidence intervals between 13% and 99% ( this means they had so few people in the RCT that were hospitalized they can't with any real confidence give a reliable number)
*22,000 vaccinated adults to prevent one death (confidence intervals crosses zero, so they could not prove it worked. In actuality, there were more dead people on the vaccinated arm than unvaccinated. No wonder they unblinded the trial).
*In children under 18, the reduction was so low, it couldn't be calculated for hospitalization and deaths.

This is data showing the shots sucked ass and 99.9+% of the population wasn't at risk. But you kept going.

Your moral stance hurt far greater than helped. You practiced reductionism. If it's good for one person, let's reduce the complexity and simply say it works for everyone. Everyone get a shot!

I'll have you know the logical conclusion to your "greatest good" framework dictates we kill one healthy person who visits a hospital and so we can harvest organs to save four others. That's the greatest good.

Your memory is poor, you’re countering with arguments I already put to rest, and then inventing (perhaps imprinting ?) your own argument’s shortcomings. Still trying to claim victory I guess.

No, you don't get to rehabilitate your stance. You were well on the wrong side and you certainly didn't provide any data to back up your claims.

[SeattleGriz]

Hey goofball. You're the one who said you had examples of suicidal empathy and even pulled the quote, I'd expect you to actually provide one that meets the requirements. But as usual, you believe you've pulled some enlightenment by swapping roles and acting like that's all it takes.

Wrong.

WRONG AGAIN! I never said I had examples of suicidal empathy. I said I had examples of MAQA policies that are subverting the American majority and I provided one. You really should ask the University of Montana for a refund because your reading comprehension is sh!t.

Transcript of our "conversation/debate":

• SG: Thank you. Same concept. Due to empathy, we allow the minority to subvert the majority.
• 88: I agree. It applies to the MAQA right just as much as it does to the progressive left.
• SG: What minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?
• 88: I said MAQA right not conservative right. They're different. MAQA right is an extreme populist movement, not conservative. You go first, which progressive policies are subverting the American majority?
• SG: Lol! First the ChatGPT mistake, now this.
• 88: You're going to surrender that easily? You can't even tell me any progressive policies that are subverting the American majority? Are you lazy, lame, weak, or all of the above?
• SG: You're the one who was asked first, and as usual, it is obvious you are talking out your butt. I'll help you out. Open borders.
• 88: That's a good one. Here's one back - Deporting immigrants who have been in the in the US illegally for a number of years, have jobs, and no criminal record. Do you want to do this one at a time or do you want to give me a list and I'll respond in kind?
• SG: Holy shit. That is not suicidal empathy. Not even close. Try again.
• 88: WRONG AGAIN! Reading comprehension is essential - you asked "what minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?" And that is a MAQA right (not conservative) policy that is "subverting the American majority" Empathy doesn't have to be empathy toward 3rd world immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. that is suicidal. It can be empathy toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc. that is "suicidal". MAQA is a rightwing version of woke. You are what you profess to hate.
• SG (flailing): Uni StWrong. Please do some reading before replying.
• 88: You've got nothing once again. Your surrender is accepted. Leave your phone, laptop/desktop, keyboard, mouse, monitor and any other peripherals and return home to your family.

But just to make you happy, I'll give you some MAQA policies that are examples of suicidal empathy (toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc.):

• Blurring/attacking the separation between church and state (arguing that the US is a "Christian" nation, requiring the 10 Commandments, Bibles, etc. in classrooms/curriculum)
• Going the 180 degrees on immigration from open borders to discouraging immigration. Measured immigration is good for the US. It brings in other countries' best and brightest as well as people from 3rd world countries who want to work hard and improve their lot in life. Shutting that off will have detrimental longterm effects.
• Appeasement of male grievances and attempting to force MAQA morals and norms on others - attacking feminism, women focused on careers rather than children and families, blaming women and minorities for the shortcomings and failures of white males, etc.
• Not accepting results, blaming others for losses, especially the government, courts, and media - undermines faith in our institutions and erodes the Republic.
• Trade wars & tariffs.
• Denigrating our allies while sucking up to dictators and our enemies.

That's the thing that the MAQA right doesn't seem to understand - there are very few attacks it can make on the woke, progressive, liberal left that can't be turned and used against them. The two sides are twins.

Jesus no. Just fucking stop. It's not about the liberal left. It's about Americans wanting to believe having empathy for something that is detrimental.

Trade wars and tariffs? Really? That's suicidal empathy?

[kalm]

Your memory is poor, you’re countering with arguments I already put to rest, and then inventing (perhaps imprinting ?) your own argument’s shortcomings. Still trying to claim victory I guess.

No, you don't get to rehabilitate your stance. You were well on the wrong side and you certainly didn't provide any data to back up your claims.

If I needed to rehab my stance I suppose I could bring it up every time I was losing an argument on an unrelated topic too.

But I don’t. My stance is based in history, science, and the exposure of those who spent careers studying such things.

[UNI88]

WRONG AGAIN! I never said I had examples of suicidal empathy. I said I had examples of MAQA policies that are subverting the American majority and I provided one. You really should ask the University of Montana for a refund because your reading comprehension is sh!t.

Transcript of our "conversation/debate":

• SG: Thank you. Same concept. Due to empathy, we allow the minority to subvert the majority.
• 88: I agree. It applies to the MAQA right just as much as it does to the progressive left.
• SG: What minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?
• 88: I said MAQA right not conservative right. They're different. MAQA right is an extreme populist movement, not conservative. You go first, which progressive policies are subverting the American majority?
• SG: Lol! First the ChatGPT mistake, now this.
• 88: You're going to surrender that easily? You can't even tell me any progressive policies that are subverting the American majority? Are you lazy, lame, weak, or all of the above?
• SG: You're the one who was asked first, and as usual, it is obvious you are talking out your butt. I'll help you out. Open borders.
• 88: That's a good one. Here's one back - Deporting immigrants who have been in the in the US illegally for a number of years, have jobs, and no criminal record. Do you want to do this one at a time or do you want to give me a list and I'll respond in kind?
• SG: Holy shit. That is not suicidal empathy. Not even close. Try again.
• 88: WRONG AGAIN! Reading comprehension is essential - you asked "what minority conservative policies are subverting the American majority?" And that is a MAQA right (not conservative) policy that is "subverting the American majority" Empathy doesn't have to be empathy toward 3rd world immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. that is suicidal. It can be empathy toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc. that is "suicidal". MAQA is a rightwing version of woke. You are what you profess to hate.
• SG (flailing): Uni StWrong. Please do some reading before replying.
• 88: You've got nothing once again. Your surrender is accepted. Leave your phone, laptop/desktop, keyboard, mouse, monitor and any other peripherals and return home to your family.

But just to make you happy, I'll give you some MAQA policies that are examples of suicidal empathy (toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc.):

• Blurring/attacking the separation between church and state (arguing that the US is a "Christian" nation, requiring the 10 Commandments, Bibles, etc. in classrooms/curriculum)
• Going the 180 degrees on immigration from open borders to discouraging immigration. Measured immigration is good for the US. It brings in other countries' best and brightest as well as people from 3rd world countries who want to work hard and improve their lot in life. Shutting that off will have detrimental longterm effects.
• Appeasement of male grievances and attempting to force MAQA morals and norms on others - attacking feminism, women focused on careers rather than children and families, blaming women and minorities for the shortcomings and failures of white males, etc.
• Not accepting results, blaming others for losses, especially the government, courts, and media - undermines faith in our institutions and erodes the Republic.
• Trade wars & tariffs.
• Denigrating our allies while sucking up to dictators and our enemies.

That's the thing that the MAQA right doesn't seem to understand - there are very few attacks it can make on the woke, progressive, liberal left that can't be turned and used against them. The two sides are twins.

Jesus no. Just fucking stop. It's not about the liberal left. It's about Americans wanting to believe having empathy for something that is detrimental.

Trade wars and tariffs? Really? That's suicidal empathy?

As I've stated, empathy doesn't have to be empathy toward 3rd world immigrants, minorities, LGBTQ+, etc. that is suicidal. It can be empathy toward disaffected whites, Christians, incels, etc.

Trade wars and tariffs are suicidal empathy for the poor MAQA voters who bought trump's con job that they'll be paid for by exporters and will improve their lot in life.

[Caribbean Hen]

ChatGPT TDS 88 doesn’t understand why people vote for Trump

The overwhelming majority of people that voted for Trump voted for him because of people like you that can never move past that tired ole incessant sobbing

but Trump

No Good ideas and no solutions from the America hating Dems only

But Trump