Venezuelan War

[SeattleGriz]

Who has been fighting overseas? Which war did he start? Me thinks you are confusing Obama with Trump.

Yemen
Iran
Nigeria
Venezuela
Threatened: Mexico, Canada, Greenland

And it’s his first year. But don’t worry. He’s just getting warmed up

I'll ask it again. What troops are fighting these wars?

[BDKJMU]

opposed to military action, Trump just launched an unjustified, illegal strike on Venezuela. He says we don’t have enough money for healthcare for Americans—but somehow we have unlimited funds for war??"

Trump does not need congressional approval for this type of operation. Presidents, including Democratic presidents, have launched lethal attacks regularly against individuals. President Barack Obama killed an American citizen under this "kill list" policy. If Obama can vaporize an American citizen without even a criminal charge, Trump can capture a foreign citizen with a pending criminal indictment without prior congressional approval.

[SeattleGriz]

Dr Jill's tweet didn't age well.

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

Today in NYC pro Maduro retarded white liberals waving Venezuelan flags

[BDKJMU]

Meanwhile real Venezuelans

[UNI88]

One would think the Amerika first kkkultists would be in against involvement in foreign conflicts. You just can't keep some people from being flaming hypocrites I guess.

The only consistency you can expect from MAQA yahoos is blind support for whatever trump wants or does.


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What foreign conflict is the US involved in other than trying to clean up President Depends fuck up in the Ukraine?

Look at the title of this thread for one.

Or are you gullible enough to believe that snatching maduro was the hard part?


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[kalm]

Yemen
Iran
Nigeria
Venezuela
Threatened: Mexico, Canada, Greenland

And it’s his first year. But don’t worry. He’s just getting warmed up

I'll ask it again. What troops are fighting these wars?

Our troops.

[kalm]

What message is that? Invade Taiwan?

[Baldy]

What foreign conflict is the US involved in other than trying to clean up President Depends fuck up in the Ukraine?

Look at the title of this thread for one.

Or are you gullible enough to believe that snatching maduro was the hard part?


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We used 27,000+ troops and actually invaded Panama in order to catch Noriega. Even that wasn't considered a 'war'.

[SeattleGriz]

I'll ask it again. What troops are fighting these wars?

Our troops.

No troop losses last night. Surgical strikes vs Obama style wars.

[Caribbean Hen]

Dr Jill's tweet didn't age well.

[Caribbean Hen]

SEE PICS: Venezuelans worldwide celebrate as exiles react to Maduro’s capture
https://www.foxnews.com/world/see-pics- ... os-capture
Venezuelans erupt in celebration after President Donald Trump announces

[kalm]

Guess he changed his mind.

[Caribbean Hen]

These leftist are good at making a few angry America hating losers aka influencers sound like a majority…

At the center of this domestic front is an international coordination structure known as the International Peoples’ Assembly, which functions as an umbrella organization and political command-and-control hub linking communist parties, socialist movements, activist organizations and state-aligned media outlets worldwide.

[kalm]

These leftist are good at making a few angry America hating losers aka influencers sound like a majority…

At the center of this domestic front is an international coordination structure known as the International Peoples’ Assembly, which functions as an umbrella organization and political command-and-control hub linking communist parties, socialist movements, activist organizations and state-aligned media outlets worldwide.

Shit! You’ve uncovered our group and plans!

[kalm]

Nailed it.

It's important to acknowledge how potent war propaganda is. It's been developed over centuries and stimulates the most visceral tribalistic impulses.

The days and weeks after every new US war or "regime-change" operation are triumphalist. We're always vanquishing The Bad Guys. We're freeing the repressed peoples of the world. It makes everyone feel noble, purposeful and, most of all, brave and strong (even though they're not the ones fighting).

The media only shows the people who cheer it.(This one is for you CH) The costs are concealed. The motives aren't questioned. Patriotic pride swirls. It's been like this for decades.

During this initial burst of war intoxication, there's no persuasion or reasoning possible. It's like trying to talk to a drunk person. They're inebriated on the war glories (of others).

This dissipates only a few months or a year later when the whole thing falls apart, when it becomes obvious none of the motives were benevolent or the ones stated, when only a tiny fraction benefit at everyone else's expense, when the only outcome is bloodshed, autocracy and misery.

By then, most people who supported it won't admit they did (or they'll blame "poor implementation" or a failure to carry it through).

But those regrets don't matter. By then, it's just time to sell the new war, and the war propaganda process just starts anew.

This time, it's the good war, the one that will work, the one that will bring us prosperity and purpose, etc. etc. And the only ones opposed are ones who hate all that's good. That's how a country stays in a posture of endless war

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[UNI88]

Look at the title of this thread for one.

Or are you gullible enough to believe that snatching maduro was the hard part?


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We used 27,000+ troops and actually invaded Panama in order to catch Noriega. Even that wasn't considered a 'war'.

Semantics -it was a conflict and Venezuela is a conflict.

As are Iran, Nigeria & Yemen

And we've threatened: Greenland, Mexico & Panama.

So much for putting America First and staying out of foreign entanglements. The only principle that MAQA really follows is to support anything trump says and does no matter how hypocritical and/or contradictory.

[UNI88]

Our troops.

No troop losses last night. Surgical strikes vs Obama style wars.

Good thing that was the hard part. Running "the country until such time as we can do a safe, proper and judicious transition" will be the easy part. It won't require boots on the ground and no US military personnel will be killed, injured or captured.



And running Venezuela "won’t cost us anything" because U.S. oil companies will invest in new infrastructure in the oil-rich country. "It’s going to make a lot of money". As if the only cost that matters is financial and the lives that might be lost are irrelevant in light of the potential financial gains. Thank you donald trump!

[Baldy]

We used 27,000+ troops and actually invaded Panama in order to catch Noriega. Even that wasn't considered a 'war'.

Semantics -it was a conflict and Venezuela is a conflict.

As are Iran, Nigeria & Yemen

And we've threatened: Greenland, Mexico & Panama.

So much for putting America First and staying out of foreign entanglements. The only principle that MAQA really follows is to support anything trump says and does no matter how hypocritical and/or contradictory.

Deposing an indicted brutal military narco terrorist dictator who resides 500 miles from our shore line who also happened to be our two main enemies biggest ally in our hemisphere is the epitome of America First.

[UNI88]

Semantics -it was a conflict and Venezuela is a conflict.

As are Iran, Nigeria & Yemen

And we've threatened: Greenland, Mexico & Panama.

So much for putting America First and staying out of foreign entanglements. The only principle that MAQA really follows is to support anything trump says and does no matter how hypocritical and/or contradictory.

Deposing an indicted brutal military narco terrorist dictator who resides 500 miles from our shore line who also happened to be our two main enemies biggest ally in our hemisphere is the epitome of America First.

That's debatable. America First proponents like Thomas Massie and Trailer Park Barbie disagree.

It's a foreign entanglement/conflict which MAQA yahoos told us all through 2024 that trump was going to keep us out of.

The only principle that MAQA really follows is to blindly support anything trump says and does no matter how hypocritical and/or contradictory.

[UNI88]

If this was simply a "law enforcement activity" then it was completed with the capture of the maduros. There is no need to "run" venezuela. The American military should not be needed moving forward and any use of boots on the groiund in venezuela should require Congressional approval.

And if it was legal because of the indictments against maduro, then a foreign country/organization with indictments against trump, putin, etc. would be legally justified to send in a military force to capture them. The "don't get to avoid justice" because they live in the White House, Kremlin, etc. just like maduro doesn't get to avoid justice because he lives "in a palace in Caracas." What's good for the goose is good for the gander, sovereignty and international law be damned.

[kalm]

If this was simply a "law enforcement activity" then it was completed with the capture of the maduros. There is no need to "run" venezuela. The American military should not be needed moving forward and any use of boots on the groiund in venezuela should require Congressional approval.

And if it was legal because of the indictments against maduro, then a foreign country/organization with indictments against trump, putin, etc. would be legally justified to send in a military force to capture them. The "don't get to avoid justice" because they live in the White House, Kremlin, etc. just like maduro doesn't get to avoid justice because he lives "in a palace in Caracas." What's good for the goose is good for the gander, sovereignty and international law be damned.

It’s like the de-nazification of Ukraine.

As are becoming Russia.

And that’s one hell of police force we have.

[kalm]

Still accurate today.

[UNI88]

In the interest of balance (and to give MotherCaribbeanHen something to chirp about) I asked ChatGPT about the legality of the operation.

Below is a balanced legal breakdown of the main arguments that have emerged about the legality of the operation — both those justifying and disputing it — grounded in contemporary international/legal reaction to the event.

Justifying Arguments (Pro-Legality)

1. Law Enforcement Basis
   The Trump administration (reported) claims Maduro was seized to enforce valid U.S. federal indictments — narco-terrorism, drug trafficking and related charges — and brought to the U.S. to face those charges. They frame it as an enforcement of criminal law, not regime change.
   Legal point: Arrest warrants and indictments can give rise to law-enforcement jurisdiction in U.S. courts — though not on their own the right to use military force overseas.
2. Alleged Threat to U.S. Security
   U.S. officials pointed to Maduro’s alleged leadership of drug trafficking networks affecting U.S. homeland security, asserting that criminality posed a transnational “armed conflict” type threat warranting extraordinary action.
   Legal point: Some U.S. national-security lawyers might argue an expansive notion of self-defense if they treat transnational criminal organizations as threats akin to armed groups — though this is highly contested in international law.
3. Comparison to Historical Precedent
   Supporters sometimes reference past instances where the U.S. captured foreign leaders accused of crimes — e.g., Manuel Noriega of Panama in 1989 — as examples of enforcement-oriented operations.
   Legal point: The Noriega precedent involved a declared military action tied to broader U.S. interests and arguably some host-government considerations; it remains contested in scholarly debate.

Disputing Arguments (Against Legality)

1. Violation of Sovereignty and Use of Force
   Almost all independent legal experts and foreign governments have said the U.S. operation violates the core rule of the UN Charter that prohibits the use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of another state unless authorized by the UN Security Council or justified by self-defense — neither of which clearly applied here.
   Legal point: Article 2(4) of the UN Charter and customary international law make foreign military intervention unlawful absent clear exceptions.
2. Absence of Consent or International Authorization
   Venezuela did not consent to the action, and there was no UN Security Council resolution authorizing force or extradition.
   Legal point: Sovereign consent is a key lawful basis for cross-border law-enforcement action when it does occur.
3. Head-of-State Immunity
   Sitting heads of state have personal immunity from arrest in foreign domestic courts under customary international law. U.S. courts must normally defer to that immunity absent specific treaty provisions (e.g., International Criminal Court context).
   Legal point: Immunity protects a head of state from prosecution or arrest by another state’s domestic courts while in office.
4. Characterization as Use of Military Power
   The operation involved military strikes and deployment of U.S. forces, which many international law scholars characterize as a use of armed force — not a mere law-enforcement action — making it subject to the strict limits of international humanitarian law and the UN Charter.
   Legal point: Law enforcement does not justify military force absent exceptional circumstances.
5. No Clear Self-Defense Justification
   Experts argue that drug trafficking and transnational criminal activity, even if harmful, do not meet the threshold for lawful self-defense under Article 51 of the UN Charter.
   Legal point: Self-defense must respond to an armed attack by a state or non-state actor with clear evidence of imminent threat.
6. Potential Crime of Aggression
   Some scholars and institutions have suggested the U.S. strikes and capture could be considered a crime of aggression under international law because the operation involved the use of force to overthrow another government.
   Legal point: Crime of aggression refers to planning or executing acts of force violating the UN Charter.