So he wasn’t from the Islamic extremist fundamentalist half.


So he wasn’t from the Islamic extremist fundamentalist half.


You think half of all Muslims are Islamic extremists?

Maybe not half, but it’s not an insignificant % either.


Didn't take you for a Henry Kissinger fan. Carney didn't properly cite his sources, since what he said was pretty much the abstract for Realpolitik. And you're right, none of this (rules based world order and its demise) started with or was even understood by Trump. But he is hastening the retreat from it.

Huh? Carney is addressing the opposite here. He recognizes the true nature of the rules based order and how it was adhered to by world powers only when convenient. All foreign relations are pragmatic in nature.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 9:26 amDidn't take you for a Henry Kissinger fan. Carney didn't properly cite his sources, since what he said was pretty much the abstract for Realpolitik. And you're right, none of this (rules based world order and its demise) started with or was even understood by Trump. But he is hastening the retreat from it.

Not the opposite at all. Realpolitik is basically pragmatism.kalm wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 9:31 amHuh? Carney is addressing the opposite here. He recognizes the true nature of the rules based order and how it was adhered to by world powers only when convenient. All foreign relations are pragmatic in nature.GannonFan wrote: ↑Wed Jan 21, 2026 9:26 am
Didn't take you for a Henry Kissinger fan. Carney didn't properly cite his sources, since what he said was pretty much the abstract for Realpolitik. And you're right, none of this (rules based world order and its demise) started with or was even understood by Trump. But he is hastening the retreat from it.
Kissinger was a war criminal.

By literally acknowledging the issues with it?