2025 and Beyond Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

[UNI88]

Did she put herself in a dangerous situation? Yes.

Did she deserve to die because of it? No.

Was the ICE agent's life threatened? Questionable.

Are the people justifying or worse crowing about this who bitched about ashli babbitt's death hypocrites? Yes. The LEO who shot babbitt had greater justification to shoot.

Did Ashley Babbitt deserve to die?

Do you actually think Michael Byrd was justified in killing Ashley Babbitt?

If he was justified in killing an unarmed trespasser to the Capitol, could this ICE agent be justified in shooting this protestor who was at the wheel of a 5,000 lb deadly weapon that was pointed directly at him?

Do I think Michael Byrd was more justified in shooting ashli babbitt than the ICE agent was in shooting Renee Good? Yes, I do. Am I happy that ashli babbitt is dead? No, I'm not. Loss of life is tragic.

ashli babbitt was attempting to climb through a broken window and breach a restricted area of the Capitol. Michael Byrd was firing in defense of himself and members of Congress.

Was the vehicle pointed directly at the ICE agent? The investigation will tell us more but from what I could tell he had moved out of the way of the vehicle and the only part of his body that might have been at risk was his foot which could have been in the path of the tire. He also appeared to chase after the car and fire shots into the side of the car after it was pulling away from him. If he did, those shots were not in self defense.

[BDKJMU]

Lol the ICE agent had 100x the justification to shoot the lunatic leftist in the SUV. Lt Byrd faced ZERO threat front the unarmed Babbitt. Neither did anyone around Babbitt face a threat from her.

CH said babbitt "was doing stupid things and the right saw it for what it was" and you and trump had to go and prove him wrong.

babbitt was in the building. She was going toward the LEO. The situation had already escalated and violence was already occurring before he fired his weapon.

Good appeared to be attempting to leave the area. The LEO appeared to chase after her and fire 2 of the shots into the side of her car as she was driving away. The situation had not yet escalated until he fired his weapon.

I thought MAQA: 1) backed the blue and 2) supported stand your ground. Do you only do those selectively? i.e. when they're used against the left or minorities?

My god you are delusional. Or blind. Or both.

[BDKJMU]

CH said babbitt "was doing stupid things and the right saw it for what it was" and you and trump had to go and prove him wrong.

babbitt was in the building. She was going toward the LEO. The situation had already escalated and violence was already occurring before he fired his weapon.

Good appeared to be attempting to leave the area. The LEO appeared to chase after her and fire 2 of the shots into the side of her car as she was driving away. The situation had not yet escalated until he fired his weapon.

I thought MAQA: 1) backed the blue and 2) supported stand your ground. Do you only do those selectively? i.e. when they're used against the left or minorities?

The officer that was in the front of Goods vehicle shot thru the windshield after Good accelerated towards him. The guy trying to get her out of the side did not shoot.

Exactly.

[UNI88]

CH said babbitt "was doing stupid things and the right saw it for what it was" and you and trump had to go and prove him wrong.

babbitt was in the building. She was going toward the LEO. The situation had already escalated and violence was already occurring before he fired his weapon.

Good appeared to be attempting to leave the area. The LEO appeared to chase after her and fire 2 of the shots into the side of her car as she was driving away. The situation had not yet escalated until he fired his weapon.

I thought MAQA: 1) backed the blue and 2) supported stand your ground. Do you only do those selectively? i.e. when they're used against the left or minorities?

My god you are delusional. Or blind. Or both.

Are you saying he didn't fire into the side of her car?

Maybe he didn't "chase" after her but it definitely appears that he fired into the side of her car when he was in no danger of being hit by it.

As I said, I'd like CID's take on this but I also don't blame him if he doesn't want to wade into this shitstorm.

[Baldy]

Did Ashley Babbitt deserve to die?

Do you actually think Michael Byrd was justified in killing Ashley Babbitt?

If he was justified in killing an unarmed trespasser to the Capitol, could this ICE agent be justified in shooting this protestor who was at the wheel of a 5,000 lb deadly weapon that was pointed directly at him?

Do I think Michael Byrd was more justified in shooting ashli babbitt than the ICE agent was in shooting Renee Good? Yes, I do. Am I happy that ashli babbitt is dead? No, I'm not. Loss of life is tragic.

ashli babbitt was attempting to climb through a broken window and breach a restricted area of the Capitol. Michael Byrd was firing in defense of himself and members of Congress.

Was the vehicle pointed directly at the ICE agent? The investigation will tell us more but from what I could tell he had moved out of the way of the vehicle and the only part of his body that might have been at risk was his foot which could have been in the path of the tire. He also appeared to chase after the car and fire shots into the side of the car after it was pulling away from him. If he did, those shots were not in self defense.

A Federal LEO was more justified in shooting and killing an unarmed trespasser than a Federal LEO who shot and killed a protestor who was behind the wheel of a deadly weapon that was pointed at him. That's a take, I guess.

[UNI88]

Do I think Michael Byrd was more justified in shooting ashli babbitt than the ICE agent was in shooting Renee Good? Yes, I do. Am I happy that ashli babbitt is dead? No, I'm not. Loss of life is tragic.

ashli babbitt was attempting to climb through a broken window and breach a restricted area of the Capitol. Michael Byrd was firing in defense of himself and members of Congress.

Was the vehicle pointed directly at the ICE agent? The investigation will tell us more but from what I could tell he had moved out of the way of the vehicle and the only part of his body that might have been at risk was his foot which could have been in the path of the tire. He also appeared to chase after the car and fire shots into the side of the car after it was pulling away from him. If he did, those shots were not in self defense.

A Federal LEO was more justified in shooting and killing an unarmed trespasser than a Federal LEO who shot and killed a protestor who was behind the wheel of a deadly weapon that was pointed at him. That's a take, I guess.

Just like it's your take that:
- babbitt was just "an unarmed trespasser" and not part of a seditious mob that was injuring Capitol Police Officers and threatening members of Congress.
- Good's vehicle was a "deadly weapon that was pointed at" the ICE agent when he fired his weapon.

[Gil Dobie]

The officer that was in the front of Goods vehicle shot thru the windshield after Good accelerated towards him. The guy trying to get her out of the side did not shoot.

Gil, watch the videos - the same "officer that was in the front of Goods vehicle shot thru the windshield" then "appeared to chase after her and fire 2 of the shots into the side of her car as she was driving away."

You might be able to argue that the first shot was in self defense (the courts will need to figure that out). But you're going to have a hard time convincing me that the subsequent shots were in self defense.

I'd like to have CID's take on this.

Might come down to which shot was lethal. Would she be alive if she had listened to the officer and stopped? There are reports that this wasn't the first time she had blocked ICE agents with her car.

[SeattleGriz]

The playbook.

So much fail in this tweet.

If the Capital Police had taken this action there’d be a bunch of dead insurrectionists.

The guidelines for deadly force do not justify this from multiple perspectives.

Trump loves it as it moves him closer to justifying martial law.

Now Klan is smarter than an attorney familiar with this sort of issue.

I agree on your statement about Jan 6th though. If all Jan 6 protestors tried to drive their cars into the Capitol Police, they should have been shot, but not like Ashley Babbit.

[UNI88]

Gil, watch the videos - the same "officer that was in the front of Goods vehicle shot thru the windshield" then "appeared to chase after her and fire 2 of the shots into the side of her car as she was driving away."

You might be able to argue that the first shot was in self defense (the courts will need to figure that out). But you're going to have a hard time convincing me that the subsequent shots were in self defense.

I'd like to have CID's take on this.

Might come down to which shot was lethal. Would she be alive if she had listened to the officer and stopped? There are reports that this wasn't the first time she had blocked ICE agents with her car.

This could be a situation where the investigation and the courts find the initial shot was justified but subsequent shots were not. He might need to be reprimanded for those subsequent shots. Maybe he shouldn't be in a position that requires a weapon if he can't keep his cool and deescalate rather than escalate situations.

[SeattleGriz]

Yep.

I can see reading comprehension is not your strengths. Here’s a spoken word review. It’s thorough and accurate.

Hope this helps.

Take the L already. We've now found out the officer who shit, was dragged an injured earlier this year trying to get an illegal out of his vehicle.

You guys are doing exactly what the tweet said. Making up shot. "Well in that microcenter in which he was looking at the driver, he should have seen the wheels were turned and then how dare him only get bumped and not run over".

Absolutely disgusting.

[SeattleGriz]

The playbook.

This tweet is political propaganda dressed up as legal expertise. It tells you how Schlichter wants people to feel, not what the law actually requires or what the facts establish.

1. The left isn’t the only side that’s “turgid.” The emotional excess in this tweet speaks for itself.
2. The irony is rich: MAQA has repeatedly flipped its narrative on federal law enforcement depending on political convenience, yet Schlichter treats this as a sin only when Democrats do it.
3. Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd faced a clearer and more imminent threat than this ICE agent. Maybe trump should give this woman's family $5+ million for wrongful death.
4. It is not “clear” that the driver was heading at the agent. The video appears to show the agent stepping back and then firing. Claims about “perjured” witnesses are just as likely to apply to ICE reports & statements as to civilian statements, as courts in other jurisdictions have acknowledged.
5. Who, exactly, is going to defeat Schlichter’s “bogus narrative” — and how?
6. The "corrupt trump regime" has already publicly framed this as self-defense, which raises legitimate concerns about whether any investigation will be truly impartial.
7. We'll see.
8. Doxxing is not a one-sided phenomenon. Pretending otherwise is hypocrisy.
9. Given past rhetoric, it’s fair to ask whether Trump hopes to use unrest as a pretext to invoke the Insurrection Act — and where that would lead.

The only principle that MAQA really follows is to blindly support anything trump says and does no matter how hypocritical and/or contradictory.

You once again, lazily swapping words like it means something other than being lazy, are incorrect.

That list was for how this will play out and you and Klam are already knee deep in bullshit.

First Klam posted the edited video were it conveniently was edited to not show the officers feet in relation to the vehicle. Now you two are acting like the officer, who has been drug by criminals before was supposed to ascertain in a fraction of a second that a woman who was interfering with his duties was totally benign in not following commands.

[UNI88]

This tweet is political propaganda dressed up as legal expertise. It tells you how Schlichter wants people to feel, not what the law actually requires or what the facts establish.

1. The left isn’t the only side that’s “turgid.” The emotional excess in this tweet speaks for itself.
2. The irony is rich: MAQA has repeatedly flipped its narrative on federal law enforcement depending on political convenience, yet Schlichter treats this as a sin only when Democrats do it.
3. Capitol Police Lt. Michael Byrd faced a clearer and more imminent threat than this ICE agent. Maybe trump should give this woman's family $5+ million for wrongful death.
4. It is not “clear” that the driver was heading at the agent. The video appears to show the agent stepping back and then firing. Claims about “perjured” witnesses are just as likely to apply to ICE reports & statements as to civilian statements, as courts in other jurisdictions have acknowledged.
5. Who, exactly, is going to defeat Schlichter’s “bogus narrative” — and how?
6. The "corrupt trump regime" has already publicly framed this as self-defense, which raises legitimate concerns about whether any investigation will be truly impartial.
7. We'll see.
8. Doxxing is not a one-sided phenomenon. Pretending otherwise is hypocrisy.
9. Given past rhetoric, it’s fair to ask whether Trump hopes to use unrest as a pretext to invoke the Insurrection Act — and where that would lead.

The only principle that MAQA really follows is to blindly support anything trump says and does no matter how hypocritical and/or contradictory.

You once again, lazily swapping words like it means something other than being lazy, are incorrect.

That list was for how this will play out and you and Klam are already knee deep in bullshit.

First Klam posted the edited video were it conveniently was edited to not show the officers feet in relation to the vehicle. Now you two are acting like the officer, who has been drug by criminals before was supposed to ascertain in a fraction of a second that a woman who was interfering with his duties was totally benign in not following commands.

I stand by my statement - Schlichter's tweet was political propaganda dressed up as legal expertise. It tells you how he wants people to feel, not what the law actually requires or what the facts establish.

Lazy is taking the easy way out and saying that I'm " swapping words" without addressing my points like I addressed Schlichter's points.

kalm posted multiple videos with a variety of perspectives, including one that showed the position of the officer's feet in relation to the vehicle. It is lazy (and intellectually dishonest) to focus on one video and not acknowledge the others.

You and Schlichter have jumped to one conclusion and here you are trying to criticize kalm for jumping to the opposite conclusion. Let the investigation play out.

You sir, are full of sh!t.

[Baldy]

A Federal LEO was more justified in shooting and killing an unarmed trespasser than a Federal LEO who shot and killed a protestor who was behind the wheel of a deadly weapon that was pointed at him. That's a take, I guess.

Just like it's your take that:
- babbitt was just "an unarmed trespasser" and not part of a seditious mob that was injuring Capitol Police Officers and threatening members of Congress.
- Good's vehicle was a "deadly weapon that was pointed at" the ICE agent when he fired his weapon.

What's not true? She was trespassing and she was unarmed. Is it your opinion that unarmed trespassers deserve to be shot by Federal LEO's, but Federal LEO's cannot shoot and kill protestors when a deadly weapon is pointed at them?

You did once say that Babbitt FAFO'd. I guess the same applies to Good too, correct?

[SeattleGriz]

You once again, lazily swapping words like it means something other than being lazy, are incorrect.

That list was for how this will play out and you and Klam are already knee deep in bullshit.

First Klam posted the edited video were it conveniently was edited to not show the officers feet in relation to the vehicle. Now you two are acting like the officer, who has been drug by criminals before was supposed to ascertain in a fraction of a second that a woman who was interfering with his duties was totally benign in not following commands.

I stand by my statement - Schlichter's tweet was political propaganda dressed up as legal expertise. It tells you how he wants people to feel, not what the law actually requires or what the facts establish.

Lazy is taking the easy way out and saying that I'm " swapping words" without addressing my points like I addressed Schlichter's points.

kalm posted multiple videos with a variety of perspectives, including one that showed the position of the officer's feet in relation to the vehicle. It is lazy (and intellectually dishonest) to focus on one video and not acknowledge the others.

You and Schlichter have jumped to one conclusion and here you are trying to criticize kalm for jumping to the opposite conclusion. Let the investigation play out.

You sir, are full of sh!t.

You made up crap like usual and now you are not only knee deep in his timeline, but digging in deeper. Predictable because we've seen on multiple occasions now, the illogical thinking kick into overdrive to try and defend something that is indefensible.

[UNI88]

Just like it's your take that:
- babbitt was just "an unarmed trespasser" and not part of a seditious mob that was injuring Capitol Police Officers and threatening members of Congress.
- Good's vehicle was a "deadly weapon that was pointed at" the ICE agent when he fired his weapon.

What's not true? She was trespassing and she was unarmed. Is it your opinion that unarmed trespassers deserve to be shot by Federal LEO's, but Federal LEO's cannot shoot and kill protestors when a deadly weapon is pointed at them?

You did once say that Babbitt FAFO'd. I guess the same applies to Good too, correct?

It's true that she "was trespassing and she was unarmed" but like I said, there is more to it than that. She was part of a seditious mob that was injuring Capitol Police Officers and threatening members of Congress? Should that not be factored into whether or not the LEO's use of his weapon was justified? I know DC doesn't have a stand your ground law but MAQA is always crowing about stand your ground and that is exactly what that LEO did. So is stand your ground a good thing or not? You don't get to have it both ways based on the ideology (or skin color) of the shooter and the person who was shot.

I am questioning whether Good's vehicle was actually pointed at the ICE officer when he fired each of his shots.

I've already stipulated that Good put herself in harms way and bears some responsibility for the outcome. That does not absolve the ICE agent of all responsibility. That is what the investigation and probable trials will be for.

[BDKJMU]

What's not true? She was trespassing and she was unarmed. Is it your opinion that unarmed trespassers deserve to be shot by Federal LEO's, but Federal LEO's cannot shoot and kill protestors when a deadly weapon is pointed at them?

You did once say that Babbitt FAFO'd. I guess the same applies to Good too, correct?

It's true that she "was trespassing and she was unarmed" but like I said, there is more to it than that. She was part of a seditious mob that was injuring Capitol Police Officers and threatening members of Congress? Should that not be factored into whether or not the LEO's use of his weapon was justified? I know DC doesn't have a stand your ground law but MAQA is always crowing about stand your ground and that is exactly what that LEO did. So is stand your ground a good thing or not? You don't get to have it both ways based on the ideology (or skin color) of the shooter and the person who was shot.

I am questioning whether Good's vehicle was actually pointed at the ICE officer when he fired each of his shots.

I've already stipulated that Good put herself in harms way and bears some responsibility for the outcome. That does not absolve the ICE agent of all responsibility. That is what the investigation and probable trials will be for.

Civil but not criminal. The FBI has total jurisdiction in use of force cases involving fed law enforcement. They can work jointly with local/state, but don’t have to.

[Gil Dobie]

That is not a safe place to be in Minneapolis anymore. My buddy, retired MPD, recently went to a funeral in that area. He had 2 conceal carries on him. We used to have card shows in the area. It was borderline safe at that time. Why are vigilante moms in that part of town? Nothing positive is going to happen.

[GOD]

GOOD

BYE

Granted I gave you free will but you probably shouldn't be trying to run over a federal agent if you want to live a long life.

[Baldy]

What's not true? She was trespassing and she was unarmed. Is it your opinion that unarmed trespassers deserve to be shot by Federal LEO's, but Federal LEO's cannot shoot and kill protestors when a deadly weapon is pointed at them?

You did once say that Babbitt FAFO'd. I guess the same applies to Good too, correct?

It's true that she "was trespassing and she was unarmed" but like I said, there is more to it than that. She was part of a seditious mob that was injuring Capitol Police Officers and threatening members of Congress? Should that not be factored into whether or not the LEO's use of his weapon was justified? I know DC doesn't have a stand your ground law but MAQA is always crowing about stand your ground and that is exactly what that LEO did. So is stand your ground a good thing or not? You don't get to have it both ways based on the ideology (or skin color) of the shooter and the person who was shot.

I am questioning whether Good's vehicle was actually pointed at the ICE officer when he fired each of his shots.

I've already stipulated that Good put herself in harms way and bears some responsibility for the outcome. That does not absolve the ICE agent of all responsibility. That is what the investigation and probable trials will be for.

To answer your question, No. Sedition is a purposefully vague term.

The only one who's attempting to have it both ways is you. I'm just trying to understand why you're being such a hypocrite and why you think Ashley Babbitt deserved to die while Renee Good didn't. Their circumstances are very similar except one had a deadly weapon and the other didn't.

[GOD]

Ashli Babbit did not get due process

[UNI88]

It's true that she "was trespassing and she was unarmed" but like I said, there is more to it than that. She was part of a seditious mob that was injuring Capitol Police Officers and threatening members of Congress? Should that not be factored into whether or not the LEO's use of his weapon was justified? I know DC doesn't have a stand your ground law but MAQA is always crowing about stand your ground and that is exactly what that LEO did. So is stand your ground a good thing or not? You don't get to have it both ways based on the ideology (or skin color) of the shooter and the person who was shot.

I am questioning whether Good's vehicle was actually pointed at the ICE officer when he fired each of his shots.

I've already stipulated that Good put herself in harms way and bears some responsibility for the outcome. That does not absolve the ICE agent of all responsibility. That is what the investigation and probable trials will be for.

To answer your question, No. Sedition is a purposefully vague term.

The only one who's attempting to have it both ways is you. I'm just trying to understand why you're being such a hypocrite and why you think Ashley Babbitt deserved to die while Renee Good didn't. Their circumstances are very similar except one had a deadly weapon and the other didn't.

Seditious conspiracy

Seditious conspiracy is a U.S. federal crime (18 U.S.C. § 2384) where two or more people conspire to forcibly overthrow the government, levy war, oppose its authority by force, or use force to hinder the execution of U.S. laws, carrying penalties up to 20 years in prison. It involves plotting violent action against the government or its functions, differing from treason (which involves aiding enemies) and requiring an agreement and overt act to obstruct lawful government processes, like the transfer of presidential power, rather than just expressing dissent.

IMO the January 6 riots were more seditious, even more of an insurrection, than anything that has been done against ICE/CBP in 2025/2026 despite trump and MAQA yahoos frequent use of insurrection and other inflammatory and violent rhetoric.

Did I say ashli babbitt deserved to die and Renee Good didn't? If I did, I'll own it.

It is my opinion that the mayhem, violence, and threats to Congress already occurring at the Capitol were contributing factors in the shooting of ashli babbitt. Would the officer have shot her if it was just her crawling a broken window on another day?

It's your opinion that Good's vehicle was a "deadly weapon". That has not been proven.

I will state that from what I've see the 2nd and 3rd shots did not need to be fired, the physician should not have been prevented from attending to Good and the ICE agents should not have taken their vehicles and left the crime screne.

[BDKJMU]

To answer your question, No. Sedition is a purposefully vague term.

The only one who's attempting to have it both ways is you. I'm just trying to understand why you're being such a hypocrite and why you think Ashley Babbitt deserved to die while Renee Good didn't. Their circumstances are very similar except one had a deadly weapon and the other didn't.

Seditious conspiracy

Seditious conspiracy is a U.S. federal crime (18 U.S.C. § 2384) where two or more people conspire to forcibly overthrow the government, levy war, oppose its authority by force, or use force to hinder the execution of U.S. laws, carrying penalties up to 20 years in prison. It involves plotting violent action against the government or its functions, differing from treason (which involves aiding enemies) and requiring an agreement and overt act to obstruct lawful government processes, like the transfer of presidential power, rather than just expressing dissent.

IMO the January 6 riots were more seditious, even more of an insurrection, than anything that has been done against ICE/CBP in 2025/2026 despite trump and MAQA yahoos frequent use of insurrection and other inflammatory and violent rhetoric.

Good and her group ‘Ice Watch’
-trained to use force to hinder the execution of US laws. Clearly did that yesterday.
-Whether they plotted violent action (using their vehicles) against the govt, they cearly did that yesterday.
-plotted to obstruct lawful govt processes. Clearly did that yesterday.
https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/r ... -shooting/
She and ICE Watch fit the very definition of sedition, so sounds like ICE Watch should be indicted for sedition.

[UNI88]

Seditious conspiracy

IMO the January 6 riots were more seditious, even more of an insurrection, than anything that has been done against ICE/CBP in 2025/2026 despite trump and MAQA yahoos frequent use of insurrection and other inflammatory and violent rhetoric.

Good and her group ‘Ice Watch’
-trained to use force to hinder the execution of US laws. Clearly did that yesterday.
-Whether they plotted violent action (using their vehicles) against the govt, they cearly did that yesterday.
-plotted to obstruct lawful govt processes. Clearly did that yesterday.
https://nypost.com/2026/01/08/us-news/r ... -shooting/
She and ICE Watch fit the very definition of sedition, so sounds like ICE Watch should be indicted for sedition.

Sure. What percentage was it compared to January 6? 10%? 20%? 50% if you being really partisan.

[kalm]

I can see reading comprehension is not your strengths. Here’s a spoken word review. It’s thorough and accurate.

Hope this helps.

Take the L already. We've now found out the officer who shit, was dragged an injured earlier this year trying to get an illegal out of his vehicle.

You guys are doing exactly what the tweet said. Making up shot. "Well in that microcenter in which he was looking at the driver, he should have seen the wheels were turned and then how dare him only get bumped and not run over".

Absolutely disgusting.

Disgusting? Disgusting! Well shoot, I didn’t mean to upset your false narratives so much.

The amount of time it takes for you to read this sentences about how long it took for the administration to realize how they could politicize the killing.

Bunch of Kristi Noem level cultists completely full of shit.
Disappointing.

[kalm]

Nails it.