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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 2:51 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 2:04 pm
It's true that she "was trespassing and she was unarmed" but like I said, there is more to it than that. She was part of a seditious mob that was injuring Capitol Police Officers and threatening members of Congress? Should that not be factored into whether or not the LEO's use of his weapon was justified? I know DC doesn't have a stand your ground law but MAQA is always crowing about stand your ground and that is exactly what that LEO did. So is stand your ground a good thing or not? You don't get to have it both ways based on the ideology (or skin color) of the shooter and the person who was shot.

I am questioning whether Good's vehicle was actually pointed at the ICE officer when he fired each of his shots.

I've already stipulated that Good put herself in harms way and bears some responsibility for the outcome. That does not absolve the ICE agent of all responsibility. That is what the investigation and probable trials will be for.
Civil but not criminal. The FBI has total jurisdiction in use of force cases involving fed law enforcement. They can work jointly with local/state, but don’t have to.
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It's going to be a question of whether his actions were necessary and proper. My understanding is that the state can investigate and bring charges, they would likely be moved to a federal court but the state still prosecutes the case. Getting past the immunity clause is very difficult but not impossible.

Liability of a Federal Officer under State Law
the U.S. Supreme Court released Neagle and made clear that state law is displaced if it imposes burdens on a federal officer's attempts to protect federal interests or execute federal law, even if no federal statute specifically authorizes the federal official's conduct, as was the case here. Neagle established a two-prong test for this type of immunity from state criminal law:
(1) Was the officer performing an act that federal law authorized him to perform?
(2) Were his actions necessary and proper to fulfilling his federal duties? If the federal officer satisfies this test, he or she is immune from prosecution for violation of state law.

Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force
1) Deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect.

2) Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.
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Re: 2025 Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 6:11 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 2:51 pm
Civil but not criminal. The FBI has total jurisdiction in use of force cases involving fed law enforcement. They can work jointly with local/state, but don’t have to.
Link?

It's going to be a question of whether his actions were necessary and proper. My understanding is that the state can investigate and bring charges, they would likely be moved to a federal court but the state still prosecutes the case. Getting past the immunity clause is very difficult but not impossible.

Liability of a Federal Officer under State Law
the U.S. Supreme Court released Neagle and made clear that state law is displaced if it imposes burdens on a federal officer's attempts to protect federal interests or execute federal law, even if no federal statute specifically authorizes the federal official's conduct, as was the case here. Neagle established a two-prong test for this type of immunity from state criminal law:
(1) Was the officer performing an act that federal law authorized him to perform?
(2) Were his actions necessary and proper to fulfilling his federal duties? If the federal officer satisfies this test, he or she is immune from prosecution for violation of state law.

Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force
1) Deadly force may not be used solely to prevent the escape of a fleeing suspect.

2) Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.
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Investigation of Federal Law Enforcement Shootings
Federal vs. State Authority
When a federal law enforcement officer is involved in a shooting, the investigation typically falls under federal jurisdiction. The FBI often takes the lead in these cases, especially if the incident occurs during a federally authorized operation. This can lead to conflicts with state authorities regarding their ability to investigate.
Also Supremacy Clause.
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Re: 2025 Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 7:06 pm
UNI88 wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 6:11 pm
Link?

It's going to be a question of whether his actions were necessary and proper. My understanding is that the state can investigate and bring charges, they would likely be moved to a federal court but the state still prosecutes the case. Getting past the immunity clause is very difficult but not impossible.

Liability of a Federal Officer under State Law

Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force
Google AI
Investigation of Federal Law Enforcement Shootings
Federal vs. State Authority
When a federal law enforcement officer is involved in a shooting, the investigation typically falls under federal jurisdiction. The FBI often takes the lead in these cases, especially if the incident occurs during a federally authorized operation. This can lead to conflicts with state authorities regarding their ability to investigate.
Also Supremacy Clause.
So your were wrong.

You said "the FBI has total jurisdiction in use of force cases involving fed law enforcement." But your AI search said "the investigation typically falls under federal jurisdiction. The FBI often takes the lead in these cases".

"Typically falls under" and "often takes the lead" does not equal "has total jurisdiction".
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kalm wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 5:46 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 12:43 pm

:rofl: Take the L already. We've now found out the officer who shit, was dragged an injured earlier this year trying to get an illegal out of his vehicle.

You guys are doing exactly what the tweet said. Making up shot. "Well in that microcenter in which he was looking at the driver, he should have seen the wheels were turned and then how dare him only get bumped and not run over".

Absolutely disgusting.
Disgusting? Disgusting! Well shoot, I didn’t mean to upset your false narratives so much. :ohno: :lol:

The amount of time it takes for you to read this sentences about how long it took for the administration to realize how they could politicize the killing.

Bunch of Kristi Noem level cultists completely full of shit.
Disappointing.
Didn't know you allow a free for all when it comes to interfering with law enforcement.

She interfered and unfortunately paid the price for being a dipshit. You and the Leftists got your death though. Bunch of sick ghouls. The issue for you cheering on this death though, is that it was justified. You have no leg to stand on.

You'll do your usual though, just like when Trump was shot. Blame everyone except yourself and your retarded stance of advocating for the harm and interference of law enforcement.
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Re: 2025 Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

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SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 9:38 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 5:46 pm

Disgusting? Disgusting! Well shoot, I didn’t mean to upset your false narratives so much. :ohno: :lol:

The amount of time it takes for you to read this sentences about how long it took for the administration to realize how they could politicize the killing.

Bunch of Kristi Noem level cultists completely full of shit.
Disappointing.
Didn't know you allow a free for all when it comes to interfering with law enforcement.

She interfered and unfortunately paid the price for being a dipshit. You and the Leftists got your death though. Bunch of sick ghouls. The issue for you cheering on this death though, is that it was justified. You have no leg to stand on.

You'll do your usual though, just like when Trump was shot. Blame everyone except yourself and your retarded stance of advocating for the harm and interference of law enforcement.
None of which, of course, I’ve said or done. Which makes dishonest. Big shocker there.
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Re: 2025 Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

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UNI88 wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 4:50 pm
Baldy wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 4:14 pm
To answer your question, No. Sedition is a purposefully vague term.

The only one who's attempting to have it both ways is you. I'm just trying to understand why you're being such a hypocrite and why you think Ashley Babbitt deserved to die while Renee Good didn't. Their circumstances are very similar except one had a deadly weapon and the other didn't.
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IMO the January 6 riots were more seditious, even more of an insurrection, than anything that has been done against ICE/CBP in 2025/2026 despite trump and MAQA yahoos frequent use of insurrection and other inflammatory and violent rhetoric.

Did I say ashli babbitt deserved to die and Renee Good didn't? If I did, I'll own it.

It is my opinion that the mayhem, violence, and threats to Congress already occurring at the Capitol were contributing factors in the shooting of ashli babbitt. Would the officer have shot her if it was just her crawling a broken window on another day?

It's your opinion that Good's vehicle was a "deadly weapon". That has not been proven.

I will state that from what I've see the 2nd and 3rd shots did not need to be fired, the physician should not have been prevented from attending to Good and the ICE agents should not have taken their vehicles and left the crime screne.
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“The Goods had no love lost for President Trump themselves, leaving their Kansas City, Missouri, neighborhood for Canada after the 2024 election with plans to leave the country for good.

They lived in the Great White North for a few months before settling in Minneapolis, a former neighbor told KMBC”
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 4:27 am “The Goods had no love lost for President Trump themselves, leaving their Kansas City, Missouri, neighborhood for Canada after the 2024 election with plans to leave the country for good.

They lived in the Great White North for a few months before settling in Minneapolis, a former neighbor told KMBC”
So what? The Goods are entitled to their opinion just like you are entitled to have no love lost for President biden. That doesn't make you a bad person and this doesn't make Good a bad person.

This kind of innuendo might play well with the MAQA base but the majority of America shrugs their shoulders.
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Good became involved with a group known as "ICE Watch," a loose coalition dedicated to documenting and disrupting ICE activity in the sanctuary city.

Similar ICE Watch-style networks have emerged nationwide and have previously been linked to confrontations with federal agents, including incidents involving vehicles used to block or strike officers.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 8:41 am Good became involved with a group known as "ICE Watch," a loose coalition dedicated to documenting and disrupting ICE activity in the sanctuary city.

Similar ICE Watch-style networks have emerged nationwide and have previously been linked to confrontations with federal agents, including incidents involving vehicles used to block or strike officers.
To paraphrase ...
Good was a “peaceful protester" and “patriotic American” who has been "treated as an insurrectionist by a weaponized" trump DHS.

:D
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:12 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 8:41 am Good became involved with a group known as "ICE Watch," a loose coalition dedicated to documenting and disrupting ICE activity in the sanctuary city.

Similar ICE Watch-style networks have emerged nationwide and have previously been linked to confrontations with federal agents, including incidents involving vehicles used to block or strike officers.
To paraphrase ...
Good was a “peaceful protester" and “patriotic American” who has been "treated as an insurrectionist by a weaponized" trump DHS.

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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:12 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 8:41 am Good became involved with a group known as "ICE Watch," a loose coalition dedicated to documenting and disrupting ICE activity in the sanctuary city.

Similar ICE Watch-style networks have emerged nationwide and have previously been linked to confrontations with federal agents, including incidents involving vehicles used to block or strike officers.
To paraphrase ...
Good was a “peaceful protester" and “patriotic American” who has been "treated as an insurrectionist by a weaponized" trump DHS.

:D
There was nothing patriotic about what she was doing unless she was a foreign adversary, patriotic to whatever country she didn’t hate
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:37 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:12 am
To paraphrase ...
Good was a “peaceful protester" and “patriotic American” who has been "treated as an insurrectionist by a weaponized" trump DHS.

:D
There was nothing patriotic about what she was doing unless she was a foreign adversary, patriotic to whatever country she didn’t hate
What she was doing was more patriotic than what the seditious rioters were doing on January 6 but that hasn't stopped trump and others from calling them patriotic (they're who I paraphrased). Why haven't you called them out? Oh right, you've sold your soul, put your spine on a shelf, cut off your gonads and pledged absolute fealty to your false god. Whatever he says or does is righteous. :D
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Yeah, she definitely did not hit the ICE Agent... :tothehand:

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Baldy wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 10:45 am Yeah, she definitely did not hit the ICE Agent... :tothehand:

What does that prove? Did he get hit or did he do something with his phone to pull his weapon?

You choose to believe this video and others that appear to show he did get hit but there are other videos that appear to show that he didn't get hit.

The investigation will need to look at and synchronize all the available videos. Even after they do that, I'm not sure they'll be able to definitively know. I do think they'll be able to tell if the 2nd and 3rd shots were necessary or excessive force.
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kalm wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 11:19 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 9:38 pm

Didn't know you allow a free for all when it comes to interfering with law enforcement.

She interfered and unfortunately paid the price for being a dipshit. You and the Leftists got your death though. Bunch of sick ghouls. The issue for you cheering on this death though, is that it was justified. You have no leg to stand on.

You'll do your usual though, just like when Trump was shot. Blame everyone except yourself and your retarded stance of advocating for the harm and interference of law enforcement.
None of which, of course, I’ve said or done. Which makes dishonest. Big shocker there.
Yes, you pulled this same stunt when Trump got shot. All shocked like you didn't know how it happened. Now you are trying to downplay a woman who supposedly was part of an anti -Ice group that employed the tactics that got her shot.

You'll again act like you haven't promoted this horse crap.
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:51 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:37 am

There was nothing patriotic about what she was doing unless she was a foreign adversary, patriotic to whatever country she didn’t hate
What she was doing was more patriotic than what the seditious rioters were doing on January 6 but that hasn't stopped trump and others from calling them patriotic (they're who I paraphrased). Why haven't you called them out? Oh right, you've sold your soul, put your spine on a shelf, cut off your gonads and pledged absolute fealty to your false god. Whatever he says or does is righteous. :D
Everyone that hates law-enforcement and has no common decency or respect especially for a law-enforcement will agree with you

The last thing ICE needs trying to do this job are a couple of TDS Karen’s blocking the road and interfering with law-enforcement
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:12 am
Gil Dobie wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 8:41 am Good became involved with a group known as "ICE Watch," a loose coalition dedicated to documenting and disrupting ICE activity in the sanctuary city.

Similar ICE Watch-style networks have emerged nationwide and have previously been linked to confrontations with federal agents, including incidents involving vehicles used to block or strike officers.
To paraphrase ...
Good was a “peaceful protester" and “patriotic American” who has been "treated as an insurrectionist by a weaponized" trump DHS.

:D
Peaceful protesters don't accelerate their vehicle towards a law enforcement officer.
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kalm wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:26 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:12 am

To paraphrase ...
Good was a “peaceful protester" and “patriotic American” who has been "treated as an insurrectionist by a weaponized" trump DHS.

:D
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 10:55 am
Baldy wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 10:45 am Yeah, she definitely did not hit the ICE Agent... :tothehand:

What does that prove? Did he get hit or did he do something with his phone to pull his weapon?

You choose to believe this video and others that appear to show he did get hit but there are other videos that appear to show that he didn't get hit.

The investigation will need to look at and synchronize all the available videos. Even after they do that, I'm not sure they'll be able to definitively know. I do think they'll be able to tell if the 2nd and 3rd shots were necessary or excessive force.
All videos show him getting hit. The narration of the left says he didn't get hit.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 11:45 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 9:51 am

What she was doing was more patriotic than what the seditious rioters were doing on January 6 but that hasn't stopped trump and others from calling them patriotic (they're who I paraphrased). Why haven't you called them out? Oh right, you've sold your soul, put your spine on a shelf, cut off your gonads and pledged absolute fealty to your false god. Whatever he says or does is righteous. :D
Everyone that hates law-enforcement and has no common decency or respect especially for a law-enforcement will agree with you

The last thing ICE needs trying to do this job are a couple of TDS Karen’s blocking the road and interfering with law-enforcement
Bullshit. The Capitol Police are law-enforcement. They are federal officers.

You and I disagree on which was a greater threat to our Republic: the January 6 riots or what Good and other ICE protesters are doing.

Unfortunately for you, trump and MAQA, I think more Americans agree with me and support for ICE and their tactics is dropping ...





Let's see how you flippantly dismiss this info to avoid actually addressing it.
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Gil Dobie wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 12:06 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 10:55 am

What does that prove? Did he get hit or did he do something with his phone to pull his weapon?

You choose to believe this video and others that appear to show he did get hit but there are other videos that appear to show that he didn't get hit.

The investigation will need to look at and synchronize all the available videos. Even after they do that, I'm not sure they'll be able to definitively know. I do think they'll be able to tell if the 2nd and 3rd shots were necessary or excessive force.
All videos show him getting hit. The narration of the left says he didn't get hit.
Also, if you look at the coverage, the mainstream media is attempting to portray Good and her wife as innocent bystanders. The truth is they are paid agitators who were there to intentionally interfere with lawful federal law enforcement operations.
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Let's review the ICE Protesters tactics for legality (IMO):
  1. Legal (protected) protest activities
    • Chanting, holding signs, and slogans
    • Protesting outside ICE/CBP facilities on public sidewalks or parks
    • Demonstrating near—but not blocking—facilities or entrances
    • Photographing or filming ICE/CBP agents in public spaces
    • Yelling at officers or expressing dissent verbally
    • Blowing whistles to alert people that ICE/CBP is in the area
    • Honking horns to signal or warn (not continuously or violating traffic/noise laws)
    • Informing people of their rights in general terms (e.g., right to remain silent, right to a lawyer)

      Protected under: First Amendment (speech, assembly, petition)
  2. Risky but sometimes lawful
    • Surrounding ICE vehicles without blocking movement
    • Standing close to officers while shouting
    • Following officers at a distance

      Legal if they do not physically impede the officers or specific enforcement action, but they carry higher risk of arrest, especially if law enforcement interprets the actions as interference.
  3. Illegal protest activities (obstructive or criminal)
    • Blocking entrances/exits to ICE facilities
    • Blocking roads used by ICE vehicles
    • Surrounding vehicles to prevent movement
    • Interfering with arrests or detentions
    • Grabbing officers, equipment, or detainees
    • Pulling someone away from officers
    • Creating diversions to stop an arrest
    • Harboring or aiding someone to evade law enforcement
    • Property damage or vandalism
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