January 6 - How much do you care?

[kalm]

House Republicans are investigating Jan. 6. NPR fact-checked the first hearing

The claim:
"The Biden FBI did have undercover agents and confidential informants embedded within the rally crowds," said Rep. Clay Higgins, R-La. "And the Biden FBI did conspire to entrap MAGA Americans prior to J6 and then successfully entrapped several hundred Americans on J6."

The facts:
Joe Biden was not president on Jan. 6 — Donald Trump was.
...
The claim:
Raskin said Trump failed to act decisively to stop the riot and "did nothing to send out the National Guard under his unilateral direct control in the District of Columbia."

In response, Loudermilk countered that Trump "cannot just send the National Guard unless the National Guard is requested by the legislative branch."
...
The facts:
The president has direct control of the D.C. National Guard, and the Capitol Police requested assistance from the guard prior to the breach of the building. Still, troops did not arrive until hours later.

Loudermilk appears to have jumbled the timeline of the National Guard's response, which is laid out in reports from both the Capitol Police and Department of Defense Office of Inspector General.
...
The claim:
Rep. Troy Nehls, R-Texas, criticized police officers who testified before the previous Jan. 6 select committee, which was led by Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., and former Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo.
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The facts:
Nehls was referring to testimony by Harry Dunn and Aquilino Gonell, who served with the Capitol Police, and Michael Fanone and Daniel Hodges, who served with D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department.

All four officers have publicly criticized Trump, in large part because of the injuries and trauma they suffered defending the Capitol on Jan. 6.

But their politics are not as simple as Nehls suggested.

Fanone, who was dragged into the crowd and repeatedly beaten and shocked in the neck by a rioter with a Taser-style device, voted for Trump in 2016.

"I was looking for a candidate that supported law enforcement," Fanone told NPR in an interview last year. "I regret the decision. It was clearly the wrong decision in hindsight."

Fanone suffered a traumatic brain injury and a minor heart attack due to the assaults on Jan. 6.

Back the Blue. Respect law enforcement.

And now, the insurrectionists are being hired by ICE.

[Gil Dobie]

House Republicans are investigating Jan. 6. NPR fact-checked the first hearing

The claim:
"The Biden FBI did have undercover agents and confidential informants embedded within the rally crowds," said Rep. Clay Higgins, R-La. "And the Biden FBI did conspire to entrap MAGA Americans prior to J6 and then successfully entrapped several hundred Americans on J6."

The facts:
Joe Biden was not president on Jan. 6 — Donald Trump was.
...
The claim:
Raskin said Trump failed to act decisively to stop the riot and "did nothing to send out the National Guard under his unilateral direct control in the District of Columbia."

In response, Loudermilk countered that Trump "cannot just send the National Guard unless the National Guard is requested by the legislative branch."
...
The facts:
The president has direct control of the D.C. National Guard, and the Capitol Police requested assistance from the guard prior to the breach of the building. Still, troops did not arrive until hours later.

Loudermilk appears to have jumbled the timeline of the National Guard's response, which is laid out in reports from both the Capitol Police and Department of Defense Office of Inspector General.
...
The claim:
Rep. Troy Nehls, R-Texas, criticized police officers who testified before the previous Jan. 6 select committee, which was led by Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., and former Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo.
...
The facts:
Nehls was referring to testimony by Harry Dunn and Aquilino Gonell, who served with the Capitol Police, and Michael Fanone and Daniel Hodges, who served with D.C.'s Metropolitan Police Department.

All four officers have publicly criticized Trump, in large part because of the injuries and trauma they suffered defending the Capitol on Jan. 6.

But their politics are not as simple as Nehls suggested.

Fanone, who was dragged into the crowd and repeatedly beaten and shocked in the neck by a rioter with a Taser-style device, voted for Trump in 2016.

"I was looking for a candidate that supported law enforcement," Fanone told NPR in an interview last year. "I regret the decision. It was clearly the wrong decision in hindsight."

Fanone suffered a traumatic brain injury and a minor heart attack due to the assaults on Jan. 6.

Back the Blue. Respect law enforcement.

I thought Pelosi was in charge of security for Jan 6th?

Denied Request for Support: Sund testified that he approached the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants-at-Arms, to request an emergency declaration and National Guard support on Jan. 3, but was rebuffed due to concerns over the "optics" of having troops at the Capitol.
"Optics" Concerns: Sund stated that Irving, a Pelosi appointee, was concerned with how a National Guard presence would look, noting that the intelligence at the time did not sufficiently support the move.

Congressional Approval Needed: Under federal law (2 U.S.C. 1970), Sund was prohibited from calling in the National Guard without specific approval from the Capitol Police Board.
Disputed Timeline: While Pelosi has maintained that the delay in National Guard deployment was the fault of then-President Donald Trump, Sund has argued that his early requests for support were repeatedly delayed or denied by security officials answering to congressional leadership.
Subsequent Resignation: Following the Jan. 6 attack, Pelosi called for Sund's resignation.

[UNI88]

House Republicans are investigating Jan. 6. NPR fact-checked the first hearing

Back the Blue. Respect law enforcement.

I thought Pelosi was in charge of security for Jan 6th?

Denied Request for Support: Sund testified that he approached the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants-at-Arms, to request an emergency declaration and National Guard support on Jan. 3, but was rebuffed due to concerns over the "optics" of having troops at the Capitol.
"Optics" Concerns: Sund stated that Irving, a Pelosi appointee, was concerned with how a National Guard presence would look, noting that the intelligence at the time did not sufficiently support the move.

Congressional Approval Needed: Under federal law (2 U.S.C. 1970), Sund was prohibited from calling in the National Guard without specific approval from the Capitol Police Board.
Disputed Timeline: While Pelosi has maintained that the delay in National Guard deployment was the fault of then-President Donald Trump, Sund has argued that his early requests for support were repeatedly delayed or denied by security officials answering to congressional leadership.
Subsequent Resignation: Following the Jan. 6 attack, Pelosi called for Sund's resignation.

There are 2 sides to every store. I can accept the possibility that there is truth to both sides and that trump and pelosi both have some culpability. Can you?

And that doesn't change the complete and utter dishonesty of MAQA yahoos in positions of authority blaming biden for the security response on January 6.It also doesn't change the reality that the Capitol Police's health & welfare were exponentially more at stake on January 6 then Agent Jonathan Ross' or any other ICE/CBP officer's.

[Caribbean Hen]

I thought Pelosi was in charge of security for Jan 6th?

Denied Request for Support: Sund testified that he approached the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants-at-Arms, to request an emergency declaration and National Guard support on Jan. 3, but was rebuffed due to concerns over the "optics" of having troops at the Capitol.
"Optics" Concerns: Sund stated that Irving, a Pelosi appointee, was concerned with how a National Guard presence would look, noting that the intelligence at the time did not sufficiently support the move.

Congressional Approval Needed: Under federal law (2 U.S.C. 1970), Sund was prohibited from calling in the National Guard without specific approval from the Capitol Police Board.
Disputed Timeline: While Pelosi has maintained that the delay in National Guard deployment was the fault of then-President Donald Trump, Sund has argued that his early requests for support were repeatedly delayed or denied by security officials answering to congressional leadership.
Subsequent Resignation: Following the Jan. 6 attack, Pelosi called for Sund's resignation.

There are 2 sides to every store. I can accept the possibility that there is truth to both sides and that trump and pelosi both have some culpability. Can you?

And that doesn't change the complete and utter dishonesty of MAQA yahoos in positions of authority blaming biden for the security response on January 6.It also doesn't change the reality that the Capitol Police's health & welfare were exponentially more at stake on January 6 then Agent Jonathan Ross' or any other ICE/CBP officer's.

Take a closer look at the idiots and violet punks that have been terrorizing Minnesota for weeks. January 6th was a pillow fight compared to what’s going on up there

But you defend them every day

[UNI88]

There are 2 sides to every store. I can accept the possibility that there is truth to both sides and that trump and pelosi both have some culpability. Can you?

And that doesn't change the complete and utter dishonesty of MAQA yahoos in positions of authority blaming biden for the security response on January 6.It also doesn't change the reality that the Capitol Police's health & welfare were exponentially more at stake on January 6 then Agent Jonathan Ross' or any other ICE/CBP officer's.

Take a closer look at the idiots and violet punks that have been terrorizing Minnesota for weeks. January 6th was a pillow fight compared to what’s going on up there

But you defend them every day

Thank you for proving my point that some people are completely unable to put aside their biases and try and look at a situation rationally.

[Caribbean Hen]

Take a closer look at the idiots and violet punks that have been terrorizing Minnesota for weeks. January 6th was a pillow fight compared to what’s going on up there

But you defend them every day

Thank you for proving my point that some people are completely unable to put aside their biases and try and look at a situation rationally.

Some people named TDS 88

You have completely gone off the deep end with your ridiculous arguments

[kalm]

[Gil Dobie]

I thought Pelosi was in charge of security for Jan 6th?

Denied Request for Support: Sund testified that he approached the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants-at-Arms, to request an emergency declaration and National Guard support on Jan. 3, but was rebuffed due to concerns over the "optics" of having troops at the Capitol.
"Optics" Concerns: Sund stated that Irving, a Pelosi appointee, was concerned with how a National Guard presence would look, noting that the intelligence at the time did not sufficiently support the move.

Congressional Approval Needed: Under federal law (2 U.S.C. 1970), Sund was prohibited from calling in the National Guard without specific approval from the Capitol Police Board.
Disputed Timeline: While Pelosi has maintained that the delay in National Guard deployment was the fault of then-President Donald Trump, Sund has argued that his early requests for support were repeatedly delayed or denied by security officials answering to congressional leadership.
Subsequent Resignation: Following the Jan. 6 attack, Pelosi called for Sund's resignation.

There are 2 sides to every store. I can accept the possibility that there is truth to both sides and that trump and pelosi both have some culpability. Can you?

And that doesn't change the complete and utter dishonesty of MAQA yahoos in positions of authority blaming biden for the security response on January 6.It also doesn't change the reality that the Capitol Police's health & welfare were exponentially more at stake on January 6 then Agent Jonathan Ross' or any other ICE/CBP officer's.

After what's been going on in Minnesota, the manufactured hate from the far left, I have to wait for the rest of the story. I don't lump liberals with the far left, as the liberals still siding with democrats have no say anymore. Minnesota is governed by the far left and uses fraud to pay voters, directly and indirectly. Maybe Amy, if elected, can clean this up. Still a little sore at her for participating in the Kirby Puckett frame job.

[UNI88]

There are 2 sides to every store. I can accept the possibility that there is truth to both sides and that trump and pelosi both have some culpability. Can you?

And that doesn't change the complete and utter dishonesty of MAQA yahoos in positions of authority blaming biden for the security response on January 6.It also doesn't change the reality that the Capitol Police's health & welfare were exponentially more at stake on January 6 then Agent Jonathan Ross' or any other ICE/CBP officer's.

After what's been going on in Minnesota, the manufactured hate from the far left, I have to wait for the rest of the story. I don't lump liberals with the far left, as the liberals still siding with democrats have no say anymore. Minnesota is governed by the far left and uses fraud to pay voters, directly and indirectly. Maybe Amy, if elected, can clean this up. Still a little sore at her for participating in the Kirby Puckett frame job.

I have given you glimpses of the other side of the story - videos, news articles, judges' (plural judges) rulings against ICE/CBP. You've chosen to ignore them. Neither side is innocent in this. They both have their bad actors:

• Not all of the protesters are violent or even breaking the law (following and filming agents, honking your horn and/or blowing a whistle might be annoying but they are not illegal).
• Not all of the ICE/CBP agents are violating people's Constitutional rights. I do think that DHS has hired too many people too quickly and shirked on training to get them into the field as quickly as possible so they can round up as many illegal immigrants as possible and that has led to problems.
• I will also agree that the sanctuary policies have contributed to the problems. There is no reason that local law enforcement shouldn't turn truly violent convicted criminals over to ICE/CBP. Should they turn over people whose only infraction is civil? I don't think so.

Do I think Jonathan Ross was a bad actor? I really don't know. I do think that he probably shouldn't have been in the field based on him being dragged by a vehicle in the recent past. But that's a failure by his leadership/command structure, not him. I think the shooting should be investigated in an unbiased manner. My personal opinion is that he might have feared for his life with the first shot but not for the subsequent shots. Should he have been in the field and if not, should the people that put him back out there be held responsible are also questions that need to be answered.

[Gil Dobie]

If I had done the same as Renee Good I would have been shot too. If Minneaoplis was helping ICE, these situations would be far less.

[Caribbean Hen]

I thought Pelosi was in charge of security for Jan 6th?

Denied Request for Support: Sund testified that he approached the Capitol Police Board, which includes the House and Senate Sergeants-at-Arms, to request an emergency declaration and National Guard support on Jan. 3, but was rebuffed due to concerns over the "optics" of having troops at the Capitol.
"Optics" Concerns: Sund stated that Irving, a Pelosi appointee, was concerned with how a National Guard presence would look, noting that the intelligence at the time did not sufficiently support the move.

Congressional Approval Needed: Under federal law (2 U.S.C. 1970), Sund was prohibited from calling in the National Guard without specific approval from the Capitol Police Board.
Disputed Timeline: While Pelosi has maintained that the delay in National Guard deployment was the fault of then-President Donald Trump, Sund has argued that his early requests for support were repeatedly delayed or denied by security officials answering to congressional leadership.
Subsequent Resignation: Following the Jan. 6 attack, Pelosi called for Sund's resignation.

There are 2 sides to every store. I can accept the possibility that there is truth to both sides and that trump and pelosi both have some culpability. Can you?

And that doesn't change the complete and utter dishonesty of MAQA yahoos in positions of authority blaming biden for the security response on January 6.It also doesn't change the reality that the Capitol Police's health & welfare were exponentially more at stake on January 6 then Agent Jonathan Ross' or any other ICE/CBP officer's.

You don’t think there were FBI agents dripping with TDS that would do anything to make Trump look bad even while Trump was president?

But you have a weak point, Biden was not the president when he was the president

[UNI88]

There are 2 sides to every store. I can accept the possibility that there is truth to both sides and that trump and pelosi both have some culpability. Can you?

And that doesn't change the complete and utter dishonesty of MAQA yahoos in positions of authority blaming biden for the security response on January 6.It also doesn't change the reality that the Capitol Police's health & welfare were exponentially more at stake on January 6 then Agent Jonathan Ross' or any other ICE/CBP officer's.

You don’t think there were FBI agents dripping with TDS that would do anything to make Trump look bad even while Trump was president?

But you have a weak point, Biden was not the president when he was the president

biden was President on January 6, 2021?

[Caribbean Hen]

If I had done the same as Renee Good I would have been shot too. If Minneaoplis was helping ICE, these situations would be far less.

How did Renee Good get to the point of thinking impeding ICE in the streets was ok?

Who trained her

Was she being paid? Her behavior proved to be high risk, so she could of demanded top dollar

[Caribbean Hen]

You don’t think there were FBI agents dripping with TDS that would do anything to make Trump look bad even while Trump was president?

But you have a weak point, Biden was not the president when he was the president

biden was President on January 6, 2021?

No but unfortunately too many were thinking like Joey Blow …. Trump bad

[UNI88]

If I had done the same as Renee Good I would have been shot too. If Minneaoplis was helping ICE, these situations would be far less.

How did Renee Good get to the point of thinking impeding ICE in the streets was ok?

Who trained her

Was she being paid? Her behavior proved to be high risk, so she could of demanded top dollar

How did Renee Good get to the point of thinking impeding ICE in the streets was ok? She was kidnapped and brainwashed by a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic child molesters in league with the deep state is operating a global child sex trafficking ring under the direction of donald j. trump.

Who trained her: Enrique Tarrio

Was she being paid? Yes, by the Oath Keepers

Purpose: it's part of a YUGE conspiracy to provoke the totally unhinged and radical violent leftist purple haired lunatics to react violently so that trump can invoke the insurrection act, declare martial law, cancel elections. and declare himself el jefe for life.

[BDKJMU]

After what's been going on in Minnesota, the manufactured hate from the far left, I have to wait for the rest of the story. I don't lump liberals with the far left, as the liberals still siding with democrats have no say anymore. Minnesota is governed by the far left and uses fraud to pay voters, directly and indirectly. Maybe Amy, if elected, can clean this up. Still a little sore at her for participating in the Kirby Puckett frame job.

I have given you glimpses of the other side of the story - videos, news articles, judges' (plural judges) rulings against ICE/CBP. You've chosen to ignore them. Neither side is innocent in this. They both have their bad actors:

• Not all of the protesters are violent or even breaking the law (following and filming agents, honking your horn and/or blowing a whistle might be annoying but they are not illegal).
• Not all of the ICE/CBP agents are violating people's Constitutional rights. I do think that DHS has hired too many people too quickly and shirked on training to get them into the field as quickly as possible so they can round up as many illegal immigrants as possible and that has led to problems.
• I will also agree that the sanctuary policies have contributed to the problems. There is no reason that local law enforcement shouldn't turn truly violent convicted criminals over to ICE/CBP. Should they turn over people whose only infraction is civil? I don't think so.

Do I think Jonathan Ross was a bad actor? I really don't know. I do think that he probably shouldn't have been in the field based on him being dragged by a vehicle in the recent past. But that's a failure by his leadership/command structure, not him. I think the shooting should be investigated in an unbiased manner. My personal opinion is that he might have feared for his life with the first shot but not for the subsequent shots. Should he have been in the field and if not, should the people that put him back out there be held responsible are also questions that need to be answered.

Most of whom ICE has hired are former local/state/federal law enforcement.

What is this only violent criminals crap? How about honoring detainers on any criminals, felony (violent or nonviolent) and misdemeanors. If Minneosta did this we wouldn’t even be talking about it.

[Caribbean Hen]

How did Renee Good get to the point of thinking impeding ICE in the streets was ok?

Who trained her

Was she being paid? Her behavior proved to be high risk, so she could of demanded top dollar

How did Renee Good get to the point of thinking impeding ICE in the streets was ok? She was kidnapped and brainwashed by a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic child molesters in league with the deep state is operating a global child sex trafficking ring under the direction of donald j. trump.

Who trained her: Enrique Tarrio

Was she being paid? Yes, by the Oath Keepers

Purpose: it's part of a YUGE conspiracy to provoke the totally unhinged and radical violent leftist purple haired lunatics to react violently so that trump can invoke the insurrection act, declare martial law, cancel elections. and declare himself el jefe for life.

Sure buddy, take your conspiracy theories to left-wing echo chambers

Somewhere between the day she was born until the day she died, somebody got in her head in not such a good way

Babies aren’t born radical, I’m just curious to know at what point in her life did she become convinced that harassing law-enforcement operations in the street was a good idea

[UNI88]

How did Renee Good get to the point of thinking impeding ICE in the streets was ok? She was kidnapped and brainwashed by a cabal of Satanic, cannibalistic child molesters in league with the deep state is operating a global child sex trafficking ring under the direction of donald j. trump.

Who trained her: Enrique Tarrio

Was she being paid? Yes, by the Oath Keepers

Purpose: it's part of a YUGE conspiracy to provoke the totally unhinged and radical violent leftist purple haired lunatics to react violently so that trump can invoke the insurrection act, declare martial law, cancel elections. and declare himself el jefe for life.

Sure buddy, take your conspiracy theories to left-wing echo chambers

Somewhere between the day she was born until the day she died, somebody got in her head in not such a good way

Babies aren’t born radical, I’m just curious to know at what point in her life did she become convinced that harassing law-enforcement operations in the street was a good idea

Just trying to give MAQA yahoos an idea of how the 2020 Election Was Stolen and trump is an Innocent Victim of Lawfare conspiracies look to rational people.

You don't have a lot of room to mock any whackadoodle conspiracy theories considering the ones that you beleive ...

[Caribbean Hen]

Sure buddy, take your conspiracy theories to left-wing echo chambers

Somewhere between the day she was born until the day she died, somebody got in her head in not such a good way

Babies aren’t born radical, I’m just curious to know at what point in her life did she become convinced that harassing law-enforcement operations in the street was a good idea

Just trying to give MAQA yahoos an idea of how the 2020 Election Was Stolen and trump is an Innocent Victim of Lawfare conspiracies look to rational people.

You don't have a lot of room to mock any whackadoodle conspiracy theories considering the ones that you beleive ...

Trump cleaning up “Joey and the Radicals” mess has been glorious to watch…..