2025 and Beyond Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

[Skjellyfetti]

[Caribbean Hen]

Dude, do you live under a rock?

I don’t know why or who is looking in the kids book bag, but let me tell you something

Shoplifting rings in major cities, specifically blue cities where the law is not enforced, shoplifters stuff all kinds of goods in kids book bags and the poor kid gets to walk out of the store with it. I’ve seen it.

[UNI88]

Pretty clear violation of the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.

[kalm]

Pretty clear violation of the 4th Amendment of the US Constitution protections against unreasonable searches and seizures.

These guys are not the police. And they’re a sad excuse for a law enforcement agency. They give real cops a bad name.

[SeattleGriz]

The child was abandoned by his father. This rates up there with Trump being a Russian spy.

[UNI88]

The child was abandoned by his father. This rates up there with Trump being a Russian spy.

Proof? And not mcclaughlin or some other known DHS liar.

5-year-old asylum seeker detained as ICE expands enforcement in Minnesota

The 5-year-old was apprehended by immigration officials shortly after arriving home from preschool while his father was in their driveway, officials said.

"Another adult living in the home was outside and begged the agents to let them take care of the small child, but was refused," officials from Conejo Ramos' school said. "Instead, the agent took the child out of the still-running vehicle, led him to the door, and directed him to knock -- asking to be let in to see if anyone else was home -- essentially using a 5-year-old as bait."

Refusing to let a family member take care of the child and then using the child as bait - those are some solid family values on display.

Snatching children - ICE is a modern El Coco.

[SeattleGriz]

The child was abandoned by his father. This rates up there with Trump being a Russian spy.

Proof? And not mcclaughlin or some other known DHS liar.

5-year-old asylum seeker detained as ICE expands enforcement in Minnesota

The 5-year-old was apprehended by immigration officials shortly after arriving home from preschool while his father was in their driveway, officials said.

"Another adult living in the home was outside and begged the agents to let them take care of the small child, but was refused," officials from Conejo Ramos' school said. "Instead, the agent took the child out of the still-running vehicle, led him to the door, and directed him to knock -- asking to be let in to see if anyone else was home -- essentially using a 5-year-old as bait."

Refusing to let a family member take care of the child and then using the child as bait - those are some solid family values on display.

Snatching children - ICE is a modern El Coco.

Like how you continuously lie about Renee Good not hitting the LE officer. Puhleaze.

[UNI88]

Proof? And not mcclaughlin or some other known DHS liar.

5-year-old asylum seeker detained as ICE expands enforcement in Minnesota

Refusing to let a family member take care of the child and then using the child as bait - those are some solid family values on display.

Snatching children - ICE is a modern El Coco.

Like how you continuously lie about Renee Good not hitting the LE officer. Puhleaze.

There is plenty of reason to question whether she actually hit Jonathan Ross. You would know that if you actually pulled your head out of your ass and the MAQA yahoo echo chambers you get your information from ...

Nice job ducking/dodging the completely justified shots at MAQA over their self-proclaimed support for family values. They talk the talk but they don't walk the walk.

[SeattleGriz]

Like how you continuously lie about Renee Good not hitting the LE officer. Puhleaze.

There is plenty of reason to question whether she actually hit Jonathan Ross. You would know that if you actually pulled your head out of your ass and the MAQA yahoo echo chambers you get your information from ...

Nice job ducking/dodging the completely justified shots at MAQA over their self-proclaimed support for family values. They talk the talk but they don't walk the walk.

Did you not see the video from the cop's perspective and the fact the hospital agreed he was hit.

Lying liars gonna lie.

I commit a certain crime with my child in the car and we get separated. Holy shit you've gone off the DEEP end.

[UNI88]

There is plenty of reason to question whether she actually hit Jonathan Ross. You would know that if you actually pulled your head out of your ass and the MAQA yahoo echo chambers you get your information from ...



Nice job ducking/dodging the completely justified shots at MAQA over their self-proclaimed support for family values. They talk the talk but they don't walk the walk.

Did you not see the video from the cop's perspective and the fact the hospital agreed he was hit.

Lying liars gonna lie.

I commit a certain crime with my child in the car and we get separated. Holy shit you've gone off the DEEP end.

You didn't even watch the video that I posted. They start with the video from the agent's phone and show why it can be misleading before compiling views from multiple sources to give a better perspective than any single source.

You have a link to "the fact the hospital agreed he was hit" or are you pulling sh!t out of your ass again. I'm pretty sure that would be a violation of HIPAA if they didn't have Ross' written consent.

Thank you for admitting that you're going to lie.

[kalm]

[Caribbean Hen]

Like how you continuously lie about Renee Good not hitting the LE officer. Puhleaze.

Coward post

There is plenty of reason to question whether she actually hit Jonathan Ross. You would know that if you actually pulled your head out of your ass and the MAQA yahoo echo chambers you get your information from ...

Nice job ducking/dodging the completely justified shots at MAQA over their self-proclaimed support for family values. They talk the talk but they don't walk the walk.

Why does it matter if she hit him or not?
There were several ICE agents in the street and around her car, but that didn’t stop her from recklessly peeling out like a nut

She was acting like an unhinged lunatic interfering with ICE from doing there already dangerous job …. But despite that, that’s not what got her shot

[kalm]

Coward post

There is plenty of reason to question whether she actually hit Jonathan Ross. You would know that if you actually pulled your head out of your ass and the MAQA yahoo echo chambers you get your information from ...



Nice job ducking/dodging the completely justified shots at MAQA over their self-proclaimed support for family values. They talk the talk but they don't walk the walk.

Why does it matter if she hit him or not?
There were several ICE agents in the street and around her car, but that didn’t stop her from recklessly peeling out like a nut

She was acting like an unhinged lunatic interfering with ICE from doing there already dangerous job …. But despite that, that’s not what got her shot

Ummm there’s video showing what happened here. You guys are in denial, believing everything that comes out from the administration.

“Peeling out”

“Unhinged lunatic”

[Gil Dobie]

The child's father took off running and left his son behind. The woman at the house would not take the child in. ICE took care of the child and kept him warm.

[Gil Dobie]

They were looking for 2 different men from that house. The US citizen refused ID and fingerprinting to ID himself. He was released once positive ID was proven. Neither one of the other 2 were found. Both sexual predators according to their records.

[kalm]

They were looking for 2 different men from that house. The US citizen refused ID and fingerprinting to ID himself. He was released once positive ID was proven. Neither one of the other 2 were found. Both sexual predators according to their records.

DHS admitted they had the wrong house.

Would you be ok if ICE demanded your papers and fingerprints? And if you didn’t comply, being dragged out into the winter in your underwear?

Of course you wouldn’t.

[Caribbean Hen]

Why does it matter if she hit him or not?
There were several ICE agents in the street and around her car, but that didn’t stop her from recklessly peeling out like a nut

She was acting like an unhinged lunatic interfering with ICE from doing there already dangerous job …. But despite that, that’s not what got her shot

Ummm there’s video showing what happened here. You guys are in denial, believing everything that comes out from the administration.

“Peeling out”

“Unhinged lunatic”

There’s video? really?

Yeah, I watched it. I haven’t heard anything the administration has said.

Try again

[kalm]

Ummm there’s video showing what happened here. You guys are in denial, believing everything that comes out from the administration.

“Peeling out”

“Unhinged lunatic”

There’s video? really?

Yeah, I watched it. I haven’t heard anything the administration has said.

Try again

If you watched the video why are you suggesting she peeled out?

You mean that you’ve concocted these fantasies in your own head?

[UNI88]

There’s video? really?

Yeah, I watched it. I haven’t heard anything the administration has said.

Try again

If you watched the video why are you suggesting she peeled out?

You mean that you’ve concocted these fantasies in your own head?

He probably watched the video that was altered (sped up) to make it look like she peeled out /accelerated toward Agent Ross.

He appears to be too afraid to watch or acknowledge any video or other evidence that might shatter his fragile world view that everything the trump regime tells him is the truth.

He's projecting when he accuses others of having a "derangement syndrome".

[UNI88]

The child's father took off running and left his son behind. The woman at the house would not take the child in. ICE took care of the child and kept him warm.

They were looking for 2 different men from that house. The US citizen refused ID and fingerprinting to ID himself. He was released once positive ID was proven. Neither one of the other 2 were found. Both sexual predators according to their records.

Gil, these are both the talking points given by DHS, that doesn't make them true.

The families who were impacted give different accounts in both situations.

5-year-old asylum seeker detained as ICE expands enforcement in Minnesota

The 5-year-old was apprehended by immigration officials shortly after arriving home from preschool while his father was in their driveway, officials said.

"Another adult living in the home was outside and begged the agents to let them take care of the small child, but was refused," officials from Conejo Ramos' school said. "Instead, the agent took the child out of the still-running vehicle, led him to the door, and directed him to knock -- asking to be let in to see if anyone else was home -- essentially using a 5-year-old as bait."

Refusing to let a family member take care of the child and then using the child as bait - those are some solid family values on display.

Snatching children - ICE is a modern El Coco.

U.S. citizen says ICE took him from his Minnesota home in his underwear after warrantless search

“I was shaking," he said. “They didn't show any warrant; they just broke down the door."
...
Thao, who has been a U.S. citizen for decades, said that as he was being detained he asked his daughter-in-law to find his identification but the agents told him they didn’t want to see it.

Instead, as his 4-year-old grandson watched and cried, Thao was led out in handcuffs wearing only sandals and underwear with just a blanket wrapped around his shoulders.

The fact that ICE has decided that they can break into houses without judicial warrants should concerning to everyone who respects the Constitution and values freedom.

[Gil Dobie]

The child's father took off running and left his son behind. The woman at the house would not take the child in. ICE took care of the child and kept him warm.

They were looking for 2 different men from that house. The US citizen refused ID and fingerprinting to ID himself. He was released once positive ID was proven. Neither one of the other 2 were found. Both sexual predators according to their records.

Gil, these are both the talking points given by DHS, that doesn't make them true.

The families who were impacted give different accounts in both situations.

5-year-old asylum seeker detained as ICE expands enforcement in Minnesota



Refusing to let a family member take care of the child and then using the child as bait - those are some solid family values on display.

Snatching children - ICE is a modern El Coco.

U.S. citizen says ICE took him from his Minnesota home in his underwear after warrantless search

“I was shaking," he said. “They didn't show any warrant; they just broke down the door."
...
Thao, who has been a U.S. citizen for decades, said that as he was being detained he asked his daughter-in-law to find his identification but the agents told him they didn’t want to see it.

Instead, as his 4-year-old grandson watched and cried, Thao was led out in handcuffs wearing only sandals and underwear with just a blanket wrapped around his shoulders.

The fact that ICE has decided that they can break into houses without judicial warrants should concerning to everyone who respects the Constitution and values freedom.

He said she said. The truth is somewhere in between as you say.

ICE needs an administrative warrent as opposed to a judicial warrant.

The policy argues that because subjects of these warrants have already received full due process and hold final orders of removal, further judicial authorization is unnecessary.

[Gil Dobie]

They were looking for 2 different men from that house. The US citizen refused ID and fingerprinting to ID himself. He was released once positive ID was proven. Neither one of the other 2 were found. Both sexual predators according to their records.

DHS admitted they had the wrong house.

Would you be ok if ICE demanded your papers and fingerprints? And if you didn’t comply, being dragged out into the winter in your underwear?

Of course you wouldn’t.

I have nothing to hide. If the local police and city officials were allowed to help ICE, a lot of these situations would not happen.

[UNI88]

Gil, these are both the talking points given by DHS, that doesn't make them true.

The families who were impacted give different accounts in both situations.

U.S. citizen says ICE took him from his Minnesota home in his underwear after warrantless search

The fact that ICE has decided that they can break into houses without judicial warrants should concerning to everyone who respects the Constitution and values freedom.

He said she said. The truth is somewhere in between as you say.

ICE needs an administrative warrent as opposed to a judicial warrant.

The policy argues that because subjects of these warrants have already received full due process and hold final orders of removal, further judicial authorization is unnecessary.

He said, she said is accurate but mcclaughlin, bovino and others have been caught in enough lies to question the truth of what they're saying here. They've lost their credibility.

As far as warrantless searches, you're partly right that ICE often uses administrative warrants for immigration enforcement actions. Under generally established law, administrative warrants don't allow ICE to enter homes without a judge’s warrant or consent. This will play out in court and I expect the lower courts to enforce traditional Fourth Amendment protections and require judicial warrants for forced home entries outside of narrow, already established exceptions. An appeal to SCOTUS is the wild card - will they carve an immigration-specific exception? Or will they uphold classic home privacy protections? A true originalist like Antonin Scalia would very likely reject the idea that ICE can force entry into a home using only an executive-issued administrative warrant. We'll see what this Court does if it gets that far.

[kalm]

DHS admitted they had the wrong house.

Would you be ok if ICE demanded your papers and fingerprints? And if you didn’t comply, being dragged out into the winter in your underwear?

Of course you wouldn’t.

I have nothing to hide. If the local police and city officials were allowed to help ICE, a lot of these situations would not happen.

I don’t either but it’s highly intrusive nd violates my constitutional rights. Those are pretty damned important to us all.

[GannonFan]

He said she said. The truth is somewhere in between as you say.

ICE needs an administrative warrent as opposed to a judicial warrant.

The policy argues that because subjects of these warrants have already received full due process and hold final orders of removal, further judicial authorization is unnecessary.

He said, she said is accurate but mcclaughlin, bovino and others have been caught in enough lies to question the truth of what they're saying here. They've lost their credibility.

As far as warrantless searches, you're partly right that ICE often uses administrative warrants for immigration enforcement actions. Under generally established law, administrative warrants don't allow ICE to enter homes without a judge’s warrant or consent. This will play out in court and I expect the lower courts to enforce traditional Fourth Amendment protections and require judicial warrants for forced home entries outside of narrow, already established exceptions. An appeal to SCOTUS is the wild card - will they carve an immigration-specific exception? Or will they uphold classic home privacy protections? A true originalist like Antonin Scalia would very likely reject the idea that ICE can force entry into a home using only an executive-issued administrative warrant. We'll see what this Court does if it gets that far.

The warrant thing will be interesting and I'm not sure how it will be parsed. It's been an issue for quite some time - under other administrations (both Dem and GOP) the restriction of not using an administrative warrant to enter a house to get an illegal immigrant who has already been through all their judicial procedures and due process and has a deportation order has resulted in immigration officials sitting outside of houses and the persons still resisting deportation waving to them from their windows. It would seem in those cases, especially with due process being fully used up, that this shouldn't happen. But it does. Sanctuary policies and local and state governments not only not working with immigration officials but in fact working against immigration officials. A true originalist like Scalia could fall back onto the Constitution and say the Executive branch has the authority to carry out the laws and can remove immigrants with deportation orders. A judge like that could also fall back that it's the federal government, not the states or local, that dictate immigration laws and that sanctuary laws and refusal to cooperate with federal officials runs contrary to the Constitution as well.