NDSU joins the MWC

[UNI88]

I think this is good for both FCS and the bizumbs.

It might be good for the fans of FCS teams, but I don’t think losing North Dakota State is really going to help grow the FCS fan base.

The number of voters in the AGS poll are dwindling rapidly and it’s gonna take another big hit as Bison fans move out

I wouldn’t be surprised if they have to retire it

I haven't been on AGS in awhile but the impact on AGS isn't reflective of the overall impact on the FCS fan base.

Yes, FCS will lose a large and loyal fanbase and that will hurt.

Fans of other FCS programs have grown tired of the bizumb's dominance. It's turned them off and away. The bizumb leaving is an opportunity for other teams to set up and win and that will bring back more fans overall than FCS is losing.

[Caribbean Hen]

It might be good for the fans of FCS teams, but I don’t think losing North Dakota State is really going to help grow the FCS fan base.

The number of voters in the AGS poll are dwindling rapidly and it’s gonna take another big hit as Bison fans move out

I wouldn’t be surprised if they have to retire it

I haven't been on AGS in awhile but the impact on AGS isn't reflective of the overall impact on the FCS fan base.

Yes, FCS will lose a large and loyal fanbase and that will hurt.

Fans of other FCS programs have grown tired of the bizumb's dominance. It's turned them off and away. The bizumb leaving is an opportunity for other teams to set up and win and that will bring back more fans overall than FCS is losing.

That makes a lot of sense but I’m just not convinced it will get noticeable better with new fans, but long time FCS fans are definitely applauding this news and if a lot of them were hibernating until the Bison moved out it could help a little I guess

[Gil Dobie]

Computer rankings

Gil, you know these don't work for comparing I-A with I-AA... there's simply not enough data. NDSU no games against I-A, Montana State got stomped by Oregon, Illinois State got stomped by Oklahoma, etc...

It's OK. Your Bizen are moving on, you don't need to blindly defend I-AA anymore. EVEN IF the computer rankings are correct, which they aren't, there's more to I-AA being dead. From 2010 FCS has lost many of it's top draws, in fact 9 of the top 20 in attendance:

1. Appalachian State
4. Old Dominion
5. Delaware
6. Georgia Southern
7. Jacksonville State
9. James Madison
10. Liberty
11. North Dakota State
20. Massachusetts

35 schools averaged over 10k in 2010. That number is down to 21 (taking NDSU out). To say teams are replacing those that left is folly.

Well, I strongly disagree! FBS G6 has been avoiding top FCS teams. Army lost to Tarleton. The Michigan team App St beat lost to unranked Oregon 39-7 the next week. Great win by Appy.

[Caribbean Hen]

Computer rankings

Gil, you know these don't work for comparing I-A with I-AA... there's simply not enough data. NDSU no games against I-A, Montana State got stomped by Oregon, Illinois State got stomped by Oklahoma, etc...

It's OK. Your Bizen are moving on, you don't need to blindly defend I-AA anymore. EVEN IF the computer rankings are correct, which they aren't, there's more to I-AA being dead. From 2010 FCS has lost many of it's top draws, in fact 9 of the top 20 in attendance:

1. Appalachian State
4. Old Dominion
5. Delaware
6. Georgia Southern
7. Jacksonville State
9. James Madison
10. Liberty
11. North Dakota State
20. Massachusetts

35 schools averaged over 10k in 2010. That number is down to 21 (taking NDSU out). To say teams are replacing those that left is folly.

One could also argue that about 30 or so FBS teams are really just good FCS teams or FBS in name only, but “in name only” is all that really counts because you’re on ESPN and the other revenue sources

[BDKJMU]

Congrats! Welcome to the big boy pool. It’s about time y‘all stepped out of the kiddie pool .

That can‘t be chump change for ya‘ll.
Plus:
+ forgo TV $$$ for 6 years
https://www.inforum.com/sports/bison-me ... ntain-west
Isn‘t current one 2.5 mil a year ballpark?
+Double (mas/menos) coaches salaries + a couple additional assistant coaches I believe.
+BIG jump in NIL funding
+42 full ride scholarship equivalents.
+ I see fly to every opponent.

Y‘all got some 9-10 figure fracking sugar daddy stroking an 8 figure check?

Sac St offered $10 million.

School has $112 million escrow for football. Already raised $25 million from fans, I've heard. Teammakers turned over $6 million for the move.

Already fly to most places. Not much additional cost there.

Sounds like P4 level money there.

[Gil Dobie]

Sac St offered $10 million.

School has $112 million escrow for football. Already raised $25 million from fans, I've heard. Teammakers turned over $6 million for the move.

Already fly to most places. Not much additional cost there.

Sounds like P4 level money there.

Doesn't JMU have $60 million a year in student fees?

[bonarae]

I haven't been on AGS in awhile but the impact on AGS isn't reflective of the overall impact on the FCS fan base.

Yes, FCS will lose a large and loyal fanbase and that will hurt.

Fans of other FCS programs have grown tired of the bizumb's dominance. It's turned them off and away. The bizumb leaving is an opportunity for other teams to set up and win and that will bring back more fans overall than FCS is losing.

Add to that the Ivies finally being in the playoff fold and the FCS playoffs are a bit more meaningful now. But those HBCUs.

[89Hen]

One could also argue that about 30 or so FBS teams are really just good FCS teams or FBS in name only, but “in name only” is all that really counts because you’re on ESPN and the other revenue sources

Not exactly sure what you're saying here, but there are some FBS that are worse than some FCS teams... that's always been the case.

FCS went 4-122 vs FBS this past year and only 1 of the 4 were against a semi-recent move-up (Bryant over UMass).

Compare that to a year like 2000 when there were 16 FCS wins including 5 by teams that moved up...

Appalachian State @ Wake Forest, 20-16
Sam Houston State @ Louisiana, 21-14
Texas State @ Louisiana-Monroe, 27-7
South Florida @ Connecticut, 21-13
Jacksonville State @ Louisiana, 28-14

or 2013 with 16 wins again and 4 by teams that have since moved up...

North Dakota State @ Kansas State, 24-21
Jacksonville State @ Georgia State, 32-26 (1 OT)
Old Dominion @ Idaho, 59-38
Georgia Southern @ Florida, 26-20

The trend of fewer and fewer FCS wins will likely continue as more of the top teams move out and if the transfer portal isn't changed.

[Caribbean Hen]

One could also argue that about 30 or so FBS teams are really just good FCS teams or FBS in name only, but “in name only” is all that really counts because you’re on ESPN and the other revenue sources

Not exactly sure what you're saying here, but there are some FBS that are worse than some FCS teams... that's always been the case.

FCS went 4-122 vs FBS this past year and only 1 of the 4 were against a semi-recent move-up (Bryant over UMass).

Compare that to a year like 2000 when there were 16 FCS wins including 5 by teams that moved up...

Appalachian State @ Wake Forest, 20-16
Sam Houston State @ Louisiana, 21-14
Texas State @ Louisiana-Monroe, 27-7
South Florida @ Connecticut, 21-13
Jacksonville State @ Louisiana, 28-14

or 2013 with 16 wins again and 4 by teams that have since moved up...

North Dakota State @ Kansas State, 24-21
Jacksonville State @ Georgia State, 32-26 (1 OT)
Old Dominion @ Idaho, 59-38
Georgia Southern @ Florida, 26-20

The trend of fewer and fewer FCS wins will likely continue as more of the top teams move out and if the transfer portal isn't changed.

I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, just ask MUHawks on AGS

In a nutshell, what I’m saying is the top FCS teams are just as good or if not better than the bottom FBS teams.

I say CUSA is FBS “in name only” because the quality of play isn’t much better than the top FCS teams. FIU looked a hell of a lot like Rhode Island.

But what does it matter because FBS is where the publicity and the money is…. Just tell the fans it’s FBS and they’re gonna pay higher prices for parking, concessions and ticket prices and they will be more willing to donate more money.

FBS is a no brainer if you can get the invitation and have 17 million

[GannonFan]

Hey, I'm just glad that this topic has brought 89Hen back out of retirement for a couple of posts - he's been missed!!! I guess all we have to do is post about FCS dying or about the accuracy of the Massey polls every month or so to rouse him into logging on and posting!

[89Hen]

Massey polls

[89Hen]

In a nutshell, what I’m saying is the top FCS teams are just as good or if not better than the bottom FBS teams.

I say CUSA is FBS “in name only” because the quality of play isn’t much better than the top FCS teams. FIU looked a hell of a lot like Rhode Island.

Agreed there, but CUSA was 10-1 vs FCS with the one loss coming from the 7th worst team in FBS. The top of D2 is probably better than the bottom of FCS too.

Would be interesting to see a CUSA v MVFC challenge.

NDSU v Kennesaw
USD v JaxSt
UND v WKU
YSU v LaTech
ISU v MoSt
SDSU v FIU
SIU v UD
UNI v Liberty
Murray v MTSU
Indiana St v NM St

[GannonFan]

In a nutshell, what I’m saying is the top FCS teams are just as good or if not better than the bottom FBS teams.

I say CUSA is FBS “in name only” because the quality of play isn’t much better than the top FCS teams. FIU looked a hell of a lot like Rhode Island.

Agreed there, but CUSA was 10-1 vs FCS with the one loss coming from the 7th worst team in FBS. The top of D2 is probably better than the bottom of FCS too.

Would be interesting to see a CUSA v MVFC challenge.

NDSU v Kennesaw
SDSU v JaxSt
UND v WKU
YSU v LaTech
ISU v MoSt
SDSU v FIU
SIU v UD
UNI v Liberty
Murray v MTSU
Indiana St v NM St

My predictions based on last year as reference:

NDSU v Kennesaw - NDSU
SDSU v JaxSt - Jax St (close one)
UND v WKU - WKU
YSU v LaTech - LaTech
ISU v MoSt - MoSt
SDSU v FIU - SDSU (might they might be tired after already playing a game in the challenge - depends on how much rest they get after the first game)
SIU v UD - UD
UNI v Liberty - Liberty
Murray v MTSU - MTSU (but like all MTSU games, really close)
Indiana St v NM St - NM ST

CUSA wins 8-2. Could shift a game or two based on home/away/neutral field.

[89Hen]

Agreed there, but CUSA was 10-1 vs FCS with the one loss coming from the 7th worst team in FBS. The top of D2 is probably better than the bottom of FCS too.

Would be interesting to see a CUSA v MVFC challenge.

NDSU v Kennesaw
SDSU v JaxSt
UND v WKU
YSU v LaTech
ISU v MoSt
SDSU v FIU
SIU v UD
UNI v Liberty
Murray v MTSU
Indiana St v NM St

My predictions based on last year as reference:

NDSU v Kennesaw - NDSU
SDSU v JaxSt - Jax St (close one)
UND v WKU - WKU
YSU v LaTech - LaTech
ISU v MoSt - MoSt
SDSU v FIU - SDSU (might they might be tired after already playing a game in the challenge - depends on how much rest they get after the first game)
SIU v UD - UD
UNI v Liberty - Liberty
Murray v MTSU - MTSU (but like all MTSU games, really close)
Indiana St v NM St - NM ST

CUSA wins 8-2. Could shift a game or two based on home/away/neutral field.

Sorry, it was USD v Jax St

[89Hen]

CUSA wins 8-2. Could shift a game or two based on home/away/neutral field.

I wouldn't disagree but with NDSU leaving... you can see that FCS just got a LOT weaker losing them.

[Caribbean Hen]

Massey polls

Only one living person had Massey beat

Here are the picks for Week 13:

Lowest Score Dropped Standings
1 Caribbeanhen 249
2 Massey 242
3 POD Knows 240
4 MSUBobcat 239
5 footballer23 238
5 MTfan4life 238
7 grizband 236
8 Catbooster 235
9 Go Lehigh TU Owl 234
10 Easton13 233
11 bonarae 231
11 ElCid 231
13 RichH2 229
14 Chalupa Batman 227
14 mvemjsunpx 227
16 bluefish 226
17 JALMOND 224
17 KPSUL 224
19 SiouxFallsRabbits 223
20 RahRahRabbits 222
20 The Cats 222
22 Austin 221
23 Roamingriz 219
24 SeattleCat 218
25 FU_Paladin08 215
26 ncspiderfan 214
26 OhioHen 214
28 Bisonator 211
28 Puddin Tane 211
30 centraljerseycat 205
31 topher99 201

[89Hen]

Only one living person had Massey beat

Here are the picks for Week 13:

Lowest Score Dropped Standings
1 Caribbeanhen 249
2 Massey 242

WTG Caribbean! I would have kicked his ass. In fact I did in many email exchanges. He's a dick.

[Caribbean Hen]

Kenneth replied to your email… what were you trying to get out of him?

Btw, The Secrets of the Temple is a good read but that’s a different subject Kind of

[Caribbean Hen]

My predictions based on last year as reference:

NDSU v Kennesaw - NDSU
SDSU v JaxSt - Jax St (close one)
UND v WKU - WKU
YSU v LaTech - LaTech
ISU v MoSt - MoSt
SDSU v FIU - SDSU (might they might be tired after already playing a game in the challenge - depends on how much rest they get after the first game)
SIU v UD - UD
UNI v Liberty - Liberty
Murray v MTSU - MTSU (but like all MTSU games, really close)
Indiana St v NM St - NM ST

CUSA wins 8-2. Could shift a game or two based on home/away/neutral field.

Sorry, it was USD v Jax St

Let’s see what Massey says

Kennesaw St at North Dakota st

35-14 Bison win

[Caribbean Hen]

South Dakota St 28
Jacksonville St 21

At Brookings, SD

[Caribbean Hen]

North Dakota 28
WKU 27

At Grand Forks, North Dakota

[Caribbean Hen]

Louisiana Tech 35
Youngstown 31

At Youngstown

FCS 3-1
CUSA 1-3

To be continued

[BDKJMU]

Sounds like P4 level money there.

Doesn't JMU have $60 million a year in student fees?

Google AI says $5,662. <23k total enrollment so more like $130 million. It goes to a lot of things. Too lazy to try to look up how much to athletics, and how much to football.

[Gil Dobie]

Illinois St should be 1 or 2

UND is on the rise with a good young coach.

[Caribbean Hen]

Illinois St should be 1 or 2

UND is on the rise with a good young coach.

Illinois State 30
Missouri state 27

At Normal, Illinois

FCS 4-1
CUSA 1-4