Culture Wars

[kalm]

A far better man and a better president than Trump.

LBJ flat out lied to the American people on Vietnam and so much else

Humor comes in many shapes and sizes and the left goes absolutely crazy over Trumps relentless humor known today as trolls

Still better than Trump.

[UNI88]

LBJ flat out lied to the American people on Vietnam and so much else

Humor comes in many shapes and sizes and the left goes absolutely crazy over Trumps relentless humor known today as trolls

Still better than Trump.

That's like be better then Herbert Hoover, a very low bar.

[Caribbean Hen]

LBJ flat out lied to the American people on Vietnam and so much else

Humor comes in many shapes and sizes and the left goes absolutely crazy over Trumps relentless humor known today as trolls

Still better than Trump.

OK Gilligan I mean gullible

Just imagine LBJ or JFK for that matter, as the president with today’s social media

[kalm]

Still better than Trump.

OK Gilligan I mean gullible

Just imagine LBJ or JFK for that matter, as the president with today’s social media

Christ, Nixon was better than Trump.

[kalm]

There it is! You support this administration you are indeed a fascist.

[kalm]

He needs to sue CBS again.

[BDKJMU]

A far better man and a better president than Trump.

Figures you would think that about the racist LBJ who bankrupted us with the failed Great Society. After 60+ years and 40 trillion (or whatever it’s up to now) poverty levels have barely budged, the nat debt has skyrocketed due to unsustainable Great Society entitlement spending, and it’s led to the destruction of the black family.

https://www.ms.now/msnbc/lyndon-johnson ... msna305591

[Caribbean Hen]

A far better man and a better president than Trump.

Figures you would think that about the racist LBJ who bankrupted us with the failed Great Society. After 60+ years and 40 trillion (or whatever it’s up to now) poverty levels have barely budged, the nat debt has skyrocketed due to unsustainable Great Society entitlement spending, and it’s led to the destruction of the black family.

https://www.ms.now/msnbc/lyndon-johnson ... msna305591

Yep, here we are 60 years after LBJ and some Black folks are starting to take a look at the whole thing and say ….you know what, this urban plantation thing ain’t really working out that great for us

Thomas Sowell rips LBJ

Key points of Sowell's critique:
Destruction of the Family: Sowell asserts that the explosion of the welfare state under LBJ enabled the breakdown of the Black family, as out-of-wedlock births surged and fatherless households increased."The Great Lie":

He argues that racial progress was already underway before the 1960s, with poverty rates falling significantly, and that the Great Society intervened to destroy this upward trend.Disincentivized Progress:

argues that by providing aid that required the absence of a father, the government destroyed the incentives for work and marriage that had allowed black families to survive previous adversity.

Political Gains over Real Help: Sowell viewed the Great Society and the "War on Poverty" as a political "trick" or "master plan" designed to secure votes for the Democratic Party rather than genuinely help the poor.

[kalm]

A far better man and a better president than Trump.

Figures you would think that about the racist LBJ who bankrupted us with the failed Great Society. After 60+ years and 40 trillion (or whatever it’s up to now) poverty levels have barely budged, the nat debt has skyrocketed due to unsustainable Great Society entitlement spending, and it’s led to the destruction of the black family.

https://www.ms.now/msnbc/lyndon-johnson ... msna305591

That’s an ahistorical/political theory that began almost immediately. Besides, so many other economic factors and and policy changes have occurred since, any view comparing rates today is deeply flawed. The great society significantly lowered poverty rates by providing a safety net that almost every other advanced country has enjoyed success from.

And a Trump fan finger pointing racism is hilarious. As is blaming the debt. Much of our debt has occurred as a result of just W’s and Trumps tax cuts and the Iraq War.

President Lyndon B. Johnson’s "War on Poverty" significantly lowered the American poverty rate, reducing it from over 20% in 1964 to around 12% by the time he left office in 1969.

Long-term Trend: Poverty rates continued to fall, with some measures suggesting that including welfare programs as income, the poverty rate declined dramatically from 19.5% in 1963 to 2.3% by 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Poverty

REMEMBERING THE WAR ON POVERTY: THE IMPORTANCE OF POLITICS

Just a few years after Johnson’s bold 1964 State of the Union declaration, the OEO’s demise began. As early as 1967 Congress transferred control of some of its programs to local governments. Largely due to discontent over the Vietnam War, Johnson dropped out of the 1968 presidential election. Under President Richard Nixon, more OEO programs were transferred to other federal agencies and, ultimately, the office was disbanded. The conventional wisdom about the War on Poverty and the OEO has become that they failed.
How this conventional wisdom came to be is not precisely known. It emerged in the late 1960s and early 1970s as the official poverty rate plummeted to reach its historic low of around 11 percent in 1973, down from 19 percent in 1964. Even though presidents are generally held accountable for changes in economic outcomes occurring during their administration (regardless of whether they caused them), Johnson did not get credit for the 30 percent drop in poverty (6.2 percentage points, over 19.1 official poverty rate in 1964) from 1964 to 1968.

One hypothesis for the conventional wisdom that the War on Poverty failed is that its programs did not work. Recent work, however, suggests that the War on Poverty had a large impact on poverty (Bailey and Danziger 2013). Some of this effect was immediate. Recent work extending the supplemental poverty measure (which takes a fuller accounting of changes in noncash transfers and those through the tax code) backwards in time shows that poverty rates fell from almost 26 percent in 1967 to 16 percent today, a fall greatly aided by programs begun under the War on Poverty (Wimer et al. 2013). A complementary, consumption-based measure of poverty registers a 26 percentage point decline from 1960 to 2010, with just over two-thirds of this decline occurring before 1980 (Meyer and Sullivan 2012). Many benefits were also longer-run in nature: a growing literature argues that many War on Poverty programs were fairly successful at increasing human capital, improving health, and reducing racial inequality over the longer term (Ludwig and Miller 2007; Chay, Kim, and Swarminathan 2010; Cascio et al. 2010; Almond, Hoynes, and Schanzenbach 2011; Bailey 2012; Gillezeau 2012; Bailey and Goodman-Bacon 2012; Bailey 2013; Cunningham 2013; Almond et al. forthcoming). In short, it seems puzzling that the Johnson administration did not get credit for some of these successes.

A second hypothesis is that the “failure” narrative reflects the success of critics in rewriting history. But this claim forgets the fact that President Ronald Reagan’s quip in his 1988 State of the Union that “the federal government fought the war on poverty, and poverty won” was not new. Allegations of the War on Poverty’s failure dates to critics in both political parties. Accounts from the late 1960s argued that the CAP programs were born of conflicting ideas and administrative chaos— the programs of professors, not practitioners (Levine 1970; Forget 2011).25 Prominent scholars agreed saying that the War on Poverty’s “promises were extreme; the specific remedial actions were untried and untested; [and] the finances were grossly inadequate” (Ginzberg and Solow 1974, p. 219).

The difference in historical memory of the War on Poverty and the New Deal is striking. Although the New Deal’s effectiveness as a set of policies has been contested in scholarship, its policies —even without a large or immediate rebound in private sector employment—were regarded as successful at the time and today are remembered as successes. This collective memory of the New Deal’s success transcends party lines. When criticized for dismantling New Deal programs, Reagan corrected reporters noting he had voted for Roosevelt four times and remarked, “I’m trying to undo the Great Society…it was LBJ’s war on poverty that led us to our present mess” (Berkowitz 2001, p. 98). Although the Great Depression lasted, Roosevelt’s New Deal programs are not remembered as failures.

This article’s analysis provides hints regarding a third hypothesis for the belief that the War on Poverty failed: implementation. Our finding that the Johnson administration distributed CAP funds to poorer areas—rather than those with greater political importance—shows how differently from the New Deal the War on Poverty was waged. Rather than including and empowering state and local politicians and community leaders in the allocation process as in the New Deal, OEO funds were used to circumvent and challenge these interests. OEO funds flowed to poor and nonwhite areas, which empowered new constituencies of poor and African Americans. Our quantitative analysis underscores these differences. Measured by partial R2, Wallis’s (2003) political variables explain 25 percent of the county-level distribution of New Deal spending. The equivalent variables during the War on Poverty explain roughly 1 percent of the variation in OEO county-level spending (see Analysis Appendix Table 5). Unlike New Deal funding, OEO grants did not flow to (or away from) areas with powerful congresspersons or meaningfully reward swing voters that helped Democrats win the most liberal Congress since the New Deal.

In line with many contemporary accounts and retrospectives, our analysis suggests that OEO funding generated backlash and appeared to hurt Democrats in the late 1960s and early 1970s—especially relating to the politics of race in the South. Unlike the New Deal, which engendered good will for decades, the War on Poverty generated resentments—and, in the shorter term, votes for Republicans, especially in areas with more African American voters.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4266933/

[Caribbean Hen]

Sowell points out that things for getting much better for blacks in this country along before any of LBJ‘s policies were put into effect.

Who knows how far along they would’ve been if it wasn’t for these politicians getting in their way. As Sowell points out it’s almost impossible to hold these self-appointed geniuses accountable for their idiotic decisions.

Poverty Reduction: Sowell points out that the Black poverty rate fell from 87% in 1940 to 47% by 1960.

He highlights that this 40-point drop occurred before the War on Poverty began, while the rate fell only another 18 points over the next 20 years after the programs were implemented.

Family Stability: He notes that in 1960, 78% of Black children were raised in two-parent families. He often cites census data from 1890 to 1940 showing that Black adults were actually slightly more likely to be married than white adults during that era.Employment:

Sowell highlights that in 1948, the unemployment rate for Black teenage males was no higher than that of their white counterparts. He argues that it was only after successive minimum wage hikes and welfare expansions that Black teenage unemployment skyrocketed.

Education and Safety: He describes early 20th-century public housing and schools as being cleaner, safer, and more focused on academic standards before the "liberal non-judgmental notions" of the 1960s took hold.

[BDKJMU]

Figures you would think that about the racist LBJ who bankrupted us with the failed Great Society. After 60+ years and 40 trillion (or whatever it’s up to now) poverty levels have barely budged, the nat debt has skyrocketed due to unsustainable Great Society entitlement spending, and it’s led to the destruction of the black family.

https://www.ms.now/msnbc/lyndon-johnson ... msna305591

That’s an ahistorical/political theory that began almost immediately. Besides, so many other economic factors and and policy changes have occurred since, any view comparing rates today is deeply flawed. The great society significantly lowered poverty rates by providing a safety net that almost every other advanced country has enjoyed success from.

And a Trump fan finger pointing racism is hilarious. As is blaming the debt. Much of our debt has occurred as a result of just W’s and Trumps tax cuts and the Iraq War.

President Lyndon B. Johnson’s "War on Poverty" significantly lowered the American poverty rate, reducing it from over 20% in 1964 to around 12% by the time he left office in 1969.

Long-term Trend: Poverty rates continued to fall, with some measures suggesting that including welfare programs as income, the poverty rate declined dramatically from 19.5% in 1963 to 2.3% by 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Poverty

Wrong. Going by the below chart the poverty rate:
-Was about 16% when signed LBJ signed it into law in 1964, and around 13% when he left office Jan 1969.
-It was never remotely close to 2.3% in 2013. More like 13%
-Sat at about 11.5% a few years ago.

In the fifteen years prior to the launch of Johnson’s war on poverty, the poverty rate in the U.S. fell by more than half, dropping from a high of nearly 35 percent to 15 percent. The dramatic slashing of poverty rates pre-Great Society has largely been attributed to an economic boom in post-World War II America and increased labor force participation by women.

In the six decades that followed the launch of the “war on poverty,” the U.S. government spent $27 trillion on anti-poverty programs (this figure excludes Medicare and Social Security expenditures). While the programs arguably relieved some of the symptoms of poverty, they failed in satisfying Johnson’s mark of success — curing and preventing poverty.

The poverty rate declined at a much slower pace post-Great Society than it was declining pre-Great Society. Nearly half (48 percent) of those impoverished today live in deep poverty — below 50 percent of the federal poverty level….

https://magnoliatribune.com/2024/06/23/ ... ar-family/

Never in world history has so much $$$$$ been spent to accomplish so little..

[BDKJMU]

Figures you would think that about the racist LBJ who bankrupted us with the failed Great Society. After 60+ years and 40 trillion (or whatever it’s up to now) poverty levels have barely budged, the nat debt has skyrocketed due to unsustainable Great Society entitlement spending, and it’s led to the destruction of the black family.

https://www.ms.now/msnbc/lyndon-johnson ... msna305591

Yep, here we are 60 years after LBJ and some Black folks are starting to take a look at the whole thing and say ….you know what, this urban plantation thing ain’t really working out that great for us

Thomas Sowell rips LBJ

Key points of Sowell's critique:
Destruction of the Family: Sowell asserts that the explosion of the welfare state under LBJ enabled the breakdown of the Black family, as out-of-wedlock births surged and fatherless households increased."The Great Lie":

He argues that racial progress was already underway before the 1960s, with poverty rates falling significantly, and that the Great Society intervened to destroy this upward trend.Disincentivized Progress:

argues that by providing aid that required the absence of a father, the government destroyed the incentives for work and marriage that had allowed black families to survive previous adversity.

Political Gains over Real Help: Sowell viewed the Great Society and the "War on Poverty" as a political "trick" or "master plan" designed to secure votes for the Democratic Party rather than genuinely help the poor.

Yep. 2 truths:
-LBJ was a virulent racist.
-The Great Society destroyed the black family.

No wonder he supported it.

[kalm]

That’s an ahistorical/political theory that began almost immediately. Besides, so many other economic factors and and policy changes have occurred since, any view comparing rates today is deeply flawed. The great society significantly lowered poverty rates by providing a safety net that almost every other advanced country has enjoyed success from.

And a Trump fan finger pointing racism is hilarious. As is blaming the debt. Much of our debt has occurred as a result of just W’s and Trumps tax cuts and the Iraq War.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Poverty

Wrong. Going by the below chart the poverty rate:
-Was about 16% when signed LBJ signed it into law in 1964, and around 13% when he left office Jan 1969.
-It was never remotely close to 2.3% in 2013. More like 13%
-Sat at about 11.5% a few years ago.

In the fifteen years prior to the launch of Johnson’s war on poverty, the poverty rate in the U.S. fell by more than half, dropping from a high of nearly 35 percent to 15 percent. The dramatic slashing of poverty rates pre-Great Society has largely been attributed to an economic boom in post-World War II America and increased labor force participation by women.

In the six decades that followed the launch of the “war on poverty,” the U.S. government spent $27 trillion on anti-poverty programs (this figure excludes Medicare and Social Security expenditures). While the programs arguably relieved some of the symptoms of poverty, they failed in satisfying Johnson’s mark of success — curing and preventing poverty.

The poverty rate declined at a much slower pace post-Great Society than it was declining pre-Great Society. Nearly half (48 percent) of those impoverished today live in deep poverty — below 50 percent of the federal poverty level….

https://magnoliatribune.com/2024/06/23/ ... ar-family/

Never in world history has so much $$$$$ been spent to accomplish so little..

Sounds like a southern conservative attempting to justify.

I’ll stick with Pubmed;

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4822720/

[BDKJMU]

Wrong. Going by the below chart the poverty rate:
-Was about 16% when signed LBJ signed it into law in 1964, and around 13% when he left office Jan 1969.
-It was never remotely close to 2.3% in 2013. More like 13%
-Sat at about 11.5% a few years ago.


https://magnoliatribune.com/2024/06/23/ ... ar-family/

Never in world history has so much $$$$$ been spent to accomplish so little..

Sounds like a southern conservative attempting to justify.

I’ll stick with Pubmed;

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4822720/

Yeah you stick with the NIH

[BDKJMU]

Speaking if LBJ‘s failed War on Poverty, a few days ago:


I saw a guy about 2009, wearing an Obama t-shirt, use food stamps (govt EBT card) to buy a bunch of unhealthy shit at WaWa, then walk outside and get into a newer model at the time Cadillac Escalade.

[BDKJMU]

Hey Kalm, how was the commie May Day protest? Did you go to one in Spokane?

[BDKJMU]

Smartest Democrat in DC.

[kalm]

Sounds like a southern conservative attempting to justify.

I’ll stick with Pubmed;

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4822720/

Yeah you stick with the NIH

Your doctor does.

[kalm]

Hey Kalm, how was the commie May Day protest? Did you go to one in Spokane?

I didn’t. I shoveled compost for garden prep, went grocery shopping, then went fishing.

[UNI88]

[kalm]

And just a highly funded and well organized one.

[kalm]

I have MAGA friends and they’re mostly ok people. But they’ve gone very quiet lately regarding politics. Introspection is a good thing.

[kalm]

You see this kind of thing in struggling lower-income Southern households, and it tells a very specific story.

When life hasn't delivered much.... no wealth, no power, no real social standing.... some folks discover that white supremacy is basically a free membership card to a club that makes them feel superior without requiring any actual achievement.

It's the world's laziest status symbol.

The starter kit is always the same:

*A Confederate flag honoring a war their ancestors lost badly 160 years ago.

*A gun they'll never actually need.

*A Bible they've never actually read.

*And Fox News running 24/7 telling them they're REAL Americans.... unlike those fancy elitist Democrats who are secretly importing an army of replacement voters to steal their....

Their what exactly? Their Dollar General? Their 1987 Camaro on cinder blocks in the yard?

FOX found the formula, and they never let go of it: Take a man who has nothing, tell him the reason he has nothing is because those people are taking it.... and suddenly he's not a struggling nobody.

He's a soldier in a cultural war. He matters. He's relevant. He becomes a MAGA Warrior!

And THAT.... ladies and gentlemen.... is precisely how a twice-impeached, four-times-indicted, 34-time felon, bankrupt New York con man who golfs at his own resorts became the hero of the working man.

You genuinely cannot make this stuff up.

And I write this so that hopefully they will recognize what they have done and what they are doing and snap out of it.....
I was born and raised in Appalachia ... These very people could be my relatives ..... but ... I .... got common sense from my granny ----- "question everything".

[kalm]

[Caribbean Hen]

You see this kind of thing in struggling lower-income Southern households, and it tells a very specific story.

When life hasn't delivered much.... no wealth, no power, no real social standing.... some folks discover that white supremacy is basically a free membership card to a club that makes them feel superior without requiring any actual achievement.

It's the world's laziest status symbol.

The starter kit is always the same:

*A Confederate flag honoring a war their ancestors lost badly 160 years ago.

*A gun they'll never actually need.

*A Bible they've never actually read.

*And Fox News running 24/7 telling them they're REAL Americans.... unlike those fancy elitist Democrats who are secretly importing an army of replacement voters to steal their....

Their what exactly? Their Dollar General? Their 1987 Camaro on cinder blocks in the yard?

FOX found the formula, and they never let go of it: Take a man who has nothing, tell him the reason he has nothing is because those people are taking it.... and suddenly he's not a struggling nobody.

He's a soldier in a cultural war. He matters. He's relevant. He becomes a MAGA Warrior!

And THAT.... ladies and gentlemen.... is precisely how a twice-impeached, four-times-indicted, 34-time felon, bankrupt New York con man who golfs at his own resorts became the hero of the working man.

You genuinely cannot make this stuff up.

And I write this so that hopefully they will recognize what they have done and what they are doing and snap out of it.....
I was born and raised in Appalachia ... These very people could be my relatives ..... but ... I .... got common sense from my granny ----- "question everything".

Pure political propaganda

I lived in Alabama for 3 years and I never once met a white supremacist, but the Trump haters have to keep their dream alive that they’re proliferating like rabbits through the south

one of the first things I did when I found myself in Mobile Alabama was to go look for my childhood Heroes home. Before I could find it, I was told I shouldn’t be in this neighborhood driving around alone.

Trivia question for the race Baiters

Who’s house was I looking for?