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Re: When socialism comes to America..

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 10:35 am Florida names NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani 'Economic Developer of the Year' in Times Square campaign
A billboard thanks Mamdani for driving wealth, businesses and families to the Sunshine State

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Xi Jinping should follow suit and name trump China's Statesman of the Year.
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Re: When socialism comes to America..

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 10:35 am Florida names NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani 'Economic Developer of the Year' in Times Square campaign
A billboard thanks Mamdani for driving wealth, businesses and families to the Sunshine State

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History and recent economic analysis shows this is not a thing. The same was said of Seattle when it raised its minimum wage.

Besides, wealthy people, including the wealthiest are replaceable. Everyone is.
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kalm wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 11:07 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 10:35 am Florida names NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani 'Economic Developer of the Year' in Times Square campaign
A billboard thanks Mamdani for driving wealth, businesses and families to the Sunshine State

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History and recent economic analysis shows this is not a thing. The same was said of Seattle when it raised its minimum wage.

Besides, wealthy people, including the wealthiest are replaceable. Everyone is.
Their tax dollars aren’t, unless the socialist are gonna tax the socialist… eventually they will have to
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 12:06 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 11:07 am

History and recent economic analysis shows this is not a thing. The same was said of Seattle when it raised its minimum wage.

Besides, wealthy people, including the wealthiest are replaceable. Everyone is.
Their tax dollars aren’t, unless the socialist are gonna tax the socialist… eventually they will have to
Sure they are. And socialists pay taxes too when they make enough. In places like Norway they appreciate the services provided by those taxes.
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kalm wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 11:07 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 10:35 am Florida names NYC Mayor Zohran Mamdani 'Economic Developer of the Year' in Times Square campaign
A billboard thanks Mamdani for driving wealth, businesses and families to the Sunshine State

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History and recent economic analysis shows this is not a thing. The same was said of Seattle when it raised its minimum wage.

Besides, wealthy people, including the wealthiest are replaceable. Everyone is.
Wrong.
NYC specific. Pre Mamdami data. It’s only going to get worse for NYC.
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... 5#p1483725

NY State
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... 8#p1497378
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... 8#p1493008
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... a#p1491727
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... 8#p1487008
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 8:18 pm
kalm wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 11:07 am

History and recent economic analysis shows this is not a thing. The same was said of Seattle when it raised its minimum wage.

Besides, wealthy people, including the wealthiest are replaceable. Everyone is.
Wrong.
NYC specific. Pre Mamdami data. It’s only going to get worse for NYC.
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... 5#p1483725

NY State
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... 8#p1497378
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... 8#p1493008
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... a#p1491727
https://www.championshipsubdivision.com ... 8#p1487008
Yawn. Your links and numbers are always highly suspect. Besides, I’m sure there was much clamoring or previous changes. NYC will be just fine.

Next time, how about a DIRECT link to unbiased data.
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kalm wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 10:36 pm
Yawn. Your links and numbers are always highly suspect. Besides, I’m sure there was much clamoring or previous changes. NYC will be just fine.

Next time, how about a DIRECT link to unbiased data.
The data above came from
High-income taxpayers contribute a significant share of New York's personal income tax revenue, making their residency choices important to funding robust public services. From 2010 to 2022, New York's share of the nation's millionaires declined from 12.7 percent to 8.7 percent. New York’s number of millionaires doubled, but it tripled in California and Texas and quadrupled in Florida, leaving New York State with the fourth-most millionaires behind those states.

New York's Share of Millionaires Has Declined the Most

NYS Could Have Collected $10.7B More in Tax Year 2022 if Its Millionaire Share Held Steady
https://cbcny.org/research/competitive-nys#taxes
And note the chart shows they could have collected 15.3 billion more a year in 2021.

and
https://cbcny.org/newsroom/cbc-releases ... aire-share
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BDKJMU wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2026 9:28 am
kalm wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2026 10:36 pm

Yawn. Your links and numbers are always highly suspect. Besides, I’m sure there was much clamoring or previous changes. NYC will be just fine.

Next time, how about a DIRECT link to unbiased data.
The data above came from
High-income taxpayers contribute a significant share of New York's personal income tax revenue, making their residency choices important to funding robust public services. From 2010 to 2022, New York's share of the nation's millionaires declined from 12.7 percent to 8.7 percent. New York’s number of millionaires doubled, but it tripled in California and Texas and quadrupled in Florida, leaving New York State with the fourth-most millionaires behind those states.

New York's Share of Millionaires Has Declined the Most

NYS Could Have Collected $10.7B More in Tax Year 2022 if Its Millionaire Share Held Steady
https://cbcny.org/research/competitive-nys#taxes
And note the chart shows they could have collected 15.3 billion more a year in 2021.

and
https://cbcny.org/newsroom/cbc-releases ... aire-share
So some flight to tax havens. This just shows their victimhood and lack of gratefulness and social responsibility. My point still stands.
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As Hartmann suggests, Americans aren’t really embracing socialism, they’re rejecting 50 years of steadily increasing oligarchical power.
“If a monkey hoarded more bananas than it could eat while most of the other monkeys starved, scientists would study that monkey to figure out what was wrong with it. When humans do it, we put them on the cover of Forbes.”

Americans aren’t really asking for that much: Canada has it all. England has it all. France has it all. Germany has it all. Spain has it all. As do dozens of other countries, all the way down to little Costa Rica.

This isn’t rocket science. People simply want a government that will help them and their children achieve their highest potential, an economy that’s not rigged by and for the morbidly rich, and a job that pays enough to sustain a middle-class lifestyle.

The problem we face today is that a large cohort of our billionaire and CEO class are suffering from the mental illness commonly known as hoarding syndrome, a subset of obsessive-compulsive disorder. There’s never enough for them, no matter how much they have, so they don’t care how many people must die or live in poverty for them to maintain their (tax-deductible) islands, palaces, bunkers, yachts, and private jets.

Those billionaires and CEOs, following the 1971 advice of notorious tobacco lawyer and sociopath Lewis Powell, built out a massive think tank and media infrastructure to transform America from a middle-class nation into a full-blown oligarchy, where every decision made by the Supreme Court, Congress, and most state legislatures would take care of their wants and desires before those of anybody else.

Nixon put Powell on the Supreme Court in 1972 and in 1978 he authored the Bellotti decision, saying that corporations are “persons” and money is the “free speech.” That let Reagan float into the presidency two years later on a tsunami of oil industry money (along with the treasonous deal he cut with Iran’s Mullah’s to hold the American hostages until after the election), remove Jimmy Carter’s solar panels from the roof of the White House, and kill his plans for solarizing America.
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kalm wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2026 8:06 am
BDKJMU wrote: Wed Aug 12, 2026 9:28 am
The data above came from

https://cbcny.org/research/competitive-nys#taxes
And note the chart shows they could have collected 15.3 billion more a year in 2021.

and
https://cbcny.org/newsroom/cbc-releases ... aire-share
So some flight to tax havens. This just shows their victimhood and lack of gratefulness and social responsibility. My point still stands.
And your point has been shown by the recent data to be wrong :lol:
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BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2026 8:53 pm
kalm wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2026 8:06 am

So some flight to tax havens. This just shows their victimhood and lack of gratefulness and social responsibility. My point still stands.
And your point has been shown by the recent data to be wrong :lol:
By YOUR recent data. There a number of studies showing wealth flight to mostly be a myth. Will you lose a few individuals and companies? Perhaps. But as I’ve said before, they are replaceable. And it’s not as if wealth tied up in over-priced real estate assets is contributing to these communities. We have a wealth extraction based economy. Not sustainable.
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kalm wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2026 1:53 pm
BDKJMU wrote: Thu Aug 13, 2026 8:53 pm
And your point has been shown by the recent data to be wrong :lol:
By YOUR recent data. There a number of studies showing wealth flight to mostly be a myth. Will you lose a few individuals and companies? Perhaps. But as I’ve said before, they are replaceable. And it’s not as if wealth tied up in over-priced real estate assets is contributing to these communities. We have a wealth extraction based economy. Not sustainable.
Links?

And it’s not like NYC confiscating more wealth, causing some of it to flee (mostly to FL), is contributing to those communities either.
https://flvsnyc.com/

And we have a wealth creating economy. Perfectly sustainable..
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BDKJMU wrote: Sun Aug 16, 2026 12:26 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Aug 14, 2026 1:53 pm

By YOUR recent data. There a number of studies showing wealth flight to mostly be a myth. Will you lose a few individuals and companies? Perhaps. But as I’ve said before, they are replaceable. And it’s not as if wealth tied up in over-priced real estate assets is contributing to these communities. We have a wealth extraction based economy. Not sustainable.
Links?

And it’s not like NYC confiscating more wealth, causing some of it to flee (mostly to FL), is contributing to those communities either.
https://flvsnyc.com/

And we have a wealth creating economy. Perfectly sustainable..
Comparing NYC to an entire state? :lol:

Extracting wealth from natural resources and the working class (think social programs, environmental safety and conservation, etc) is not really a wealth creating economy. And it’s certainly not sustainable. Perpetual growth incuding wealth creation is not found anywhere in the natural universe.
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