Coronavirus COVID-19

Political discussions
User avatar
SeattleGriz
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 19249
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:41 am
I am a fan of: Montana
A.K.A.: PhxGriz

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by SeattleGriz »

SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:50 pm
JohnStOnge wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:35 pm

Go ahead and provide a link giving details as to what you are alleging about "safety signal reports" so I can comment on it. They are monitoring for adverse events. That is what the adverse events reporting system is.

i strongly suspect that you are tapped into misinformation sites and that's where a lot of your stuff comes from. If they had identified any serious adverse events such as those with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine that had possibly been caused by the vaccines, you would know about it (like you know about what happened with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine).

BTW, here is one independent analysis of VAERS data; https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 70599/full

Bottom line:



Yes, it is being monitored. Listen, SG, I don't know who the hell you are listening to with all your stuff. But you need to stop listening to them.
FOIA proves they were not performing the safety signal reports on VAERS.
Since CDC officials stated publicly that “COVID-19 vaccine safety monitoring is the most robust in U.S. history,” I had assumed that at the very least, CDC officials were monitoring VAERS using the methods they described in a briefing document posted on the CDC website in January 2021 (and updated in February 2022, with minor changes).

I was wrong.

The lynchpin of their safety monitoring was to mine VAERS data for safety signals by calculating what are known as proportional reporting ratios (PRRs).
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defe ... ne-safety/
CDC Admits It Never Monitored VAERS for COVID Vaccine Safety Signals
And here we go again. I say the CDC isn't doing work they were supposed to do and you give me a link to someone OTHER than the CDC. Plus remember, you incorrectly stated VAERS was full of regular people putting information in there.
Damn I'm good. Letting you guys know of shenanigans years in advance. On a side note, look at how bad StOnge was whiffing on the topic. :rofl:

https://www.bmj.com/content/394/bmj-2026-100806
But in a little noticed September 2022 letter, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said that the agency did not perform PRR analyses for signals until 2022.
Throw the link in AI and ask to summarize for a laymen.

TLDR - They lied to us when they said that they were monitoring side effects properly. Even shut down a lady at the FDA who knew about the problem and offered a fix.
Everything is better with SeattleGriz
kalm
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 70082
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:36 pm
I am a fan of: Eastern
A.K.A.: Humus The Proud
Location: Northern Palouse

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by kalm »

SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:26 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Wed Aug 24, 2022 6:50 pm

FOIA proves they were not performing the safety signal reports on VAERS.



https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defe ... ne-safety/



And here we go again. I say the CDC isn't doing work they were supposed to do and you give me a link to someone OTHER than the CDC. Plus remember, you incorrectly stated VAERS was full of regular people putting information in there.
Damn I'm good. Letting you guys know of shenanigans years in advance. On a side note, look at how bad StOnge was whiffing on the topic. :rofl:

https://www.bmj.com/content/394/bmj-2026-100806
But in a little noticed September 2022 letter, CDC director Rochelle Walensky said that the agency did not perform PRR analyses for signals until 2022.
Throw the link in AI and ask to summarize for a laymen.

TLDR - They lied to us when they said that they were monitoring side effects properly. Even shut down a lady at the FDA who knew about the problem and offered a fix.
This reminds me I need to go get the newly updated shot.

Thank jeebus for vaccines that have saved millions!
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
SeattleGriz
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 19249
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:41 am
I am a fan of: Montana
A.K.A.: PhxGriz

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by SeattleGriz »

kalm wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:53 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:26 am

Damn I'm good. Letting you guys know of shenanigans years in advance. On a side note, look at how bad StOnge was whiffing on the topic. :rofl:

https://www.bmj.com/content/394/bmj-2026-100806



Throw the link in AI and ask to summarize for a laymen.

TLDR - They lied to us when they said that they were monitoring side effects properly. Even shut down a lady at the FDA who knew about the problem and offered a fix.
This reminds me I need to go get the newly updated shot.

Thank jeebus for vaccines that have saved millions!
Get as many as you like.

Also, you know you cannot make the "millions lives saved" claim. No way to measure and quantify that.
Everything is better with SeattleGriz
kalm
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 70082
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:36 pm
I am a fan of: Eastern
A.K.A.: Humus The Proud
Location: Northern Palouse

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by kalm »

SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2026 11:34 am
kalm wrote: Thu Sep 17, 2026 10:53 am

This reminds me I need to go get the newly updated shot.

Thank jeebus for vaccines that have saved millions!
Get as many as you like.

Also, you know you cannot make the "millions lives saved" claim. No way to measure and quantify that.
There is and it has.

No way you can be convinced of this.
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
SeattleGriz
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 19249
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:41 am
I am a fan of: Montana
A.K.A.: PhxGriz

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by SeattleGriz »

kalm wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2026 11:57 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2026 11:34 am

Get as many as you like.

Also, you know you cannot make the "millions lives saved" claim. No way to measure and quantify that.
There is and it has.

No way you can be convinced of this.
This is why I keep telling you to stay out of math or science discussions. All estimations are models based on a person or group's assumptions.

Now do the math on how many were fucked up by a vaccine that offered them no benefit? Oh, you can't? Why not?

Because of what I posted and the fact they ruined long term data by vaccinating the placebo arm. No idea of the damages caused, but you keep promoting them.
Everything is better with SeattleGriz
kalm
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 70082
Joined: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:36 pm
I am a fan of: Eastern
A.K.A.: Humus The Proud
Location: Northern Palouse

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by kalm »

SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2026 12:03 pm
kalm wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2026 11:57 am

There is and it has.

No way you can be convinced of this.
This is why I keep telling you to stay out of math or science discussions. All estimations are models based on a person or group's assumptions.

Now do the math on how many were fucked up by a vaccine that offered them no benefit? Oh, you can't? Why not?

Because of what I posted and the fact they ruined long term data by vaccinating the placebo arm. No idea of the damages caused, but you keep promoting them.
So you’re trying to tell me we should disregard data analytics because they’re just estimations based on assumption by suggesting (via data analytics I presume) that I use “do the math” for the # of “fucked up” or “no benefit” vaccine results?

Ok!


:rofl:
Image
Image
Image
User avatar
SeattleGriz
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 19249
Joined: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:41 am
I am a fan of: Montana
A.K.A.: PhxGriz

Re: Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by SeattleGriz »

kalm wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2026 2:21 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2026 12:03 pm

This is why I keep telling you to stay out of math or science discussions. All estimations are models based on a person or group's assumptions.

Now do the math on how many were fucked up by a vaccine that offered them no benefit? Oh, you can't? Why not?

Because of what I posted and the fact they ruined long term data by vaccinating the placebo arm. No idea of the damages caused, but you keep promoting them.
So you’re trying to tell me we should disregard data analytics because they’re just estimations based on assumption by suggesting (via data analytics I presume) that I use “do the math” for the # of “fucked up” or “no benefit” vaccine results?

Ok!


:rofl:
No. I'm trying to tell you, as I always have, there are PhD Statisticians that say the assumptions made in the 'lives saved' model are incorrect. I don't doubt the shot saved some lives, but can't claim definitively how much. It's bullshit marketing.

Now let's talk about harms, which the regulatory agencies disregarded.

As more and more comes to light, you can see this was nothing more than a way to bring a platform (mRNA) into human consumption. Brought in with prep act, government officials rubber stamping the whole way, censorship, etc.

mRNA has its advantages, but it ain't in the respiratory vaccine field, that is patently obvious. The vaccine was a net negative for a huge swath of the population. Forcing it on people was bullshit.
Everything is better with SeattleGriz
User avatar
UNI88
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 31392
Joined: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:30 am
I am a fan of: UNI
Location: Sailing the Gulf of Mexico

Coronavirus COVID-19

Post by UNI88 »

SeattleGriz wrote:
kalm wrote: Fri Sep 18, 2026 2:21 pm

So you’re trying to tell me we should disregard data analytics because they’re just estimations based on assumption by suggesting (via data analytics I presume) that I use “do the math” for the # of “fucked up” or “no benefit” vaccine results?

Ok!


:rofl:
No. I'm trying to tell you, as I always have, there are PhD Statisticians that say the assumptions made in the 'lives saved' model are incorrect. I don't doubt the shot saved some lives, but can't claim definitively how much. It's bullshit marketing.

Now let's talk about harms, which the regulatory agencies disregarded.

As more and more comes to light, you can see this was nothing more than a way to bring a platform (mRNA) into human consumption. Brought in with prep act, government officials rubber stamping the whole way, censorship, etc.

mRNA has its advantages, but it ain't in the respiratory vaccine field, that is patently obvious. The vaccine was a net negative for a huge swath of the population. Forcing it on people was bullshit.
Your "can't claim definitively how much" applies to the harms as well as the lives saved.

Guess who was POTUS when the vaccines were developed? Your false god, donald j trump, owns that sh!t!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Being wrong about a topic is called post partisanism - kalm

maQa - putting the Q into qrazy qanon qult qonspiracy theories since 2015.

It will probably be difficult for MAQA yahoos to overcome the Qult programming but they should give being rational & reasonable a try.

Thank you for your attention to this matter - UNI88
Post Reply