Tea Party Protesters Protest D.C. Metro Service

[native]

Wow..
Rarely have I ever seen a poster miss the point of a thread so dramatically

Point of thread:
Tea Party protesters - Protesting big Government involvement - Then complaining that the government transportation services provided need more big Government involvement...

Gay Shia Muslim rights protection.. seriously native..?

just another opportunity for phony-baloney captain america wannabe to imply that the entirety of "patriotic america" consists of staight, white, Christians who are conservative republicans because it's his favorite canard (uses it in almost every thread in poli wing).

Thanks, TTBF! I appreciate the validation you provided by the intensity of your hatred of both messenger and message.

Try as you might to fraudulently inject racism right out of your of your donk/commie playbook, you failed. Lots of people may disagree with my point of view, but very few take the disingenous donk cries of racism seriously.

All I said was that "many of those Tea Party activists" are more likely to risk and sacrifice their lives for the rights that all of us cherish than those of your ilk. In the days of Jack Kennedy, Sam Nunn and Scoop Jackson, this was not necessarily true, but you know full well that it is true today.

[Appaholic]

just another opportunity for phony-baloney captain america wannabe to imply that the entirety of "patriotic america" consists of staight, white, Christians who are conservative republicans because it's his favorite canard (uses it in almost every thread in poli wing).

Thanks, TTBF! I appreciate the validation you provided by the intensity of your hatred of both messenger and message.

Try as you might to fraudulently inject racism right out of your of your donk/commie playbook, you failed. Lots of people may disagree with my point of view, but very few take the disingenous donk cries of racism seriously.

All I said was that "many of those Tea Party activists" are more likely to risk and sacrifice their lives for the rights that all of us cherish than those of your ilk. In the days of Jack Kennedy, Sam Nunn and Scoop Jackson, this was not necessarily true, but you know full well that it is true today.

Quantify.....got any data supporting your statement or are you just taking your daily stroll with broad generalizations?..apples to oranges....there should be nothing inherent in a Tea Party supporter vs general population that would make them more likely fight in the military....about like stating a President who served in the military is more likely to start a war....

[TwinTownBisonFan]

just another opportunity for phony-baloney captain america wannabe to imply that the entirety of "patriotic america" consists of staight, white, Christians who are conservative republicans because it's his favorite canard (uses it in almost every thread in poli wing).

Thanks, TTBF! I appreciate the validation you provided by the intensity of your hatred of both messenger and message.

Try as you might to fraudulently inject racism right out of your of your donk/commie playbook, you failed. Lots of people may disagree with my point of view, but very few take the disingenous donk cries of racism seriously.

All I said was that "many of those Tea Party activists" are more likely to risk and sacrifice their lives for the rights that all of us cherish than those of your ilk. In the days of Jack Kennedy, Sam Nunn and Scoop Jackson, this was not necessarily true, but you know full well that it is true today.

it's not a cry of racism... i'm calling you a right-wing asshole. and the worst kind of right-wing asshole... the schoolyard bully right-wing asshole who runs around checking to see "how american" everyone else is and questioning others patriotism because their political beliefs run somewhere to the left of the John Birch Society. Here's a hint, it ain't 2002 anymore jackhole, that shit don't fly anymore... and before you imply yet again that the only place patriotic people who serve their country exist is on your side of the political ledger... lemme drop this one one you as of January of 09 - there were 26 veterans in the US Senate... 14 were Democrats - IIRC the disparity is much bigger in the House...

your not-so-subtle digs that even Karl Rove would call unnecessary and over-the-top statements are borderline trollish. I think everyone who reads you gets it - you believe the entirety of the conservative movement to be brave patriots and the entire liberal one to be simpering cowards and college professors because that fits the convenient stereotype you've built for yourself and it reinforces your notion of "the way things are"... that it's totally divorced from reality matters not a whit. You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how deluded... but I'm calling your bullshit out.

[Chizzang]

Quantify.....got any data supporting your statement or are you just taking your daily stroll with broad generalizations?..apples to oranges....there should be nothing inherent in a Tea Party supporter vs general population that would make them more likely fight in the military....about like stating a President who served in the military is more likely to start a war....

Now let's see...
If I know the script on this one - after reviewing this entire thread - somebody's about to get accused of hating America... I'm not sure who but usually we wind up somewhere in that neighborhood

[bobbythekidd]

Damn Chizzang! Why do you hate America so much! Why don't you just GTFO?


Had to be done.

[native]

Thanks, TTBF! I appreciate the validation you provided by the intensity of your hatred of both messenger and message.

Try as you might to fraudulently inject racism right out of your of your donk/commie playbook, you failed. Lots of people may disagree with my point of view, but very few take the disingenous donk cries of racism seriously.

All I said was that "many of those Tea Party activists" are more likely to risk and sacrifice their lives for the rights that all of us cherish than those of your ilk. In the days of Jack Kennedy, Sam Nunn and Scoop Jackson, this was not necessarily true, but you know full well that it is true today.

it's not a cry of racism... i'm calling you a right-wing *******. and the worst kind of right-wing *******... the schoolyard bully right-wing ******* who runs around checking to see "how american" everyone else is and questioning others patriotism because their political beliefs run somewhere to the left of the John Birch Society. Here's a hint, it ain't 2002 anymore jackhole, that **** don't fly anymore... and before you imply yet again that the only place patriotic people who serve their country exist is on your side of the political ledger... lemme drop this one one you as of January of 09 - there were 26 veterans in the US Senate... 14 were Democrats - IIRC the disparity is much bigger in the House...

your not-so-subtle digs that even Karl Rove would call unnecessary and over-the-top statements are borderline trollish. I think everyone who reads you gets it - you believe the entirety of the conservative movement to be brave patriots and the entire liberal one to be simpering cowards and college professors because that fits the convenient stereotype you've built for yourself and it reinforces your notion of "the way things are"... that it's totally divorced from reality matters not a whit. You're entitled to your opinion, no matter how deluded... but I'm calling your bullshit out.

You are exaggerating and making things up, perhaps because as a professional politico you must do so to remain legitimate.

Make fun of me all you want, TTBF, but life is not a theory for me. I practice what I preach.

What's the big deal? I have happily served on both military duty and civic volunteer duty with plenty of honorable patriots who held a liberal point of view and/or may have been gay. ...and plenty of non-white, non-Christian patriots.

I do not claim that conks are perfect, only that conks are more likely than donks to sacrifice for Jon's civil rights. You know the demographics of military enlistments show this to be true.

How many of the 14 dems are blue dogs? How many blue dog vets in the House? I don't have the info at my fingertips, but you probably do, and I'll bet it scares you to death.

I'll give you the liberal professors remark, and own up to believing, for the most part, in that stereotype. But be real. Professors who have never held a real job outside of academia are pretty clueless. Of course I realize that conks have their own versions of the same thing, but not in the same numbers.

FYI: Dem (or Repub) appointees of academics and politicos to corporate boards do not count as "real jobs!"

Your hysteria is unjustified. Why do you insist on going over the top in your exaggerations? You are a clever and experienced person with whom I would rather have a principled and reasoned discussion.

[native]

Thanks, TTBF! I appreciate the validation you provided by the intensity of your hatred of both messenger and message.

Try as you might to fraudulently inject racism right out of your of your donk/commie playbook, you failed. Lots of people may disagree with my point of view, but very few take the disingenous donk cries of racism seriously.

All I said was that "many of those Tea Party activists" are more likely to risk and sacrifice their lives for the rights that all of us cherish than those of your ilk. In the days of Jack Kennedy, Sam Nunn and Scoop Jackson, this was not necessarily true, but you know full well that it is true today.

Quantify.....got any data supporting your statement or are you just taking your daily stroll with broad generalizations?..apples to oranges....there should be nothing inherent in a Tea Party supporter vs general population that would make them more likely fight in the military....about like stating a President who served in the military is more likely to start a war....

Well, Appy, to make my assertion, I do indeed assume that Tea Party activists are largely conservative and libertarian. Would you be willing to stipulate that this is the case, or do I need to find some data?

[native]

..."patriotic america" consists of staight, white, Christians who are conservative republicans....

Your words, not mine. Which is it?

...it's not a cry of racism...

[native]

... but I'm calling your bullshit out.

Fair enough. Please call me out on any specifics about which I need to be corrected or can provide data.

Did you have a chance to get to that Blue Dog data yet?

[mainejeff]

Conservatives have replaced liberals as this country's chronic whiners and complainers. I guess that it just depends who is in power.

[UNI88]

All I said was that "many of those Tea Party activists" are more likely to risk and sacrifice their lives for the rights that all of us cherish than those of your ilk. In the days of Jack Kennedy, Sam Nunn and Scoop Jackson, this was not necessarily true, but you know full well that it is true today.

Let's see we have GWB, Dick Cheney, etc. on one side and on the other we have that cardboard cutout John Kerry. Might not be completely representative but does illustrate that patriots come from both sides of the aisle.

[UNI88]

Conservatives have replaced liberals as this country's chronic whiners and complainers. I guess that it just depends who is in power.

True dat!

[native]

Conservatives have replaced liberals as this country's chronic whiners and complainers. I guess that it just depends who is in power.

True dat!

Maybe. Maybe not. I wouldn't care so much if the libs weren't so generous with the fruits of other peoples' labor.

In my view, it's one thing when someone whines about not getting something that was not earned in the first place, but quite another when someone objects to being swindled by someone who wants something for nothing.

[native]

All I said was that "many of those Tea Party activists" are more likely to risk and sacrifice their lives for the rights that all of us cherish than those of your ilk. In the days of Jack Kennedy, Sam Nunn and Scoop Jackson, this was not necessarily true, but you know full well that it is true today.

Let's see we have GWB, Dick Cheney, etc. on one side and on the other we have that cardboard cutout John Kerry. Might not be completely representative but does illustrate that patriots come from both sides of the aisle.

Points taken, but the leaders aren't the ones who place themselves in harm's way. It's the rank and file.

The last presidents to actually have served in the sh!t were George HW Bush and John Kennedy.

I give Kerrey credit, but he also obfuscated his record. Of course, GW obfuscated his record worse, but did risk his life for a time in F 102's, which was not child's play.

[UNI88]

True dat!

Maybe. Maybe not. I wouldn't care so much if the libs weren't so generous with the fruits of other peoples' labor.

In my view, it's one thing when someone whines about not getting something that was not earned in the first place, but quite another when someone objects to being swindled by someone who wants something for nothing.

native, I understand your perspective and agree that many liberals seem to be pretty comfortable skimming off of the top of others' labor but you might want to also consider this from another angle ...

Do you care about the neocons being so generous with the fruits of other people's loins (i.e. lives)? Shouldn't you be just as outraged that GWB, Cheney, et al were bound and determined to go to war with Iraq after they spent their young adulthood avoiding combat?

Many politicians on both sides are crooks, liars and cheats. A politician going to a rally to protest big government and then complaining about inadequate public transportation is more than a wee bit hypocritical (and worth a good chuckle).

[Wedgebuster]

Let's see we have GWB, Dick Cheney, etc. on one side and on the other we have that cardboard cutout John Kerry. Might not be completely representative but does illustrate that patriots come from both sides of the aisle.

Points taken, but the leaders aren't the ones who place themselves in harm's way. It's the rank and file.

The last presidents to actually have served in the sh!t were George HW Bush and John Kennedy.

I give Kerrey credit, but he also obfuscated his record. Of course, GW obfuscated his record worse, but did risk his life for a time in F 102's, which was not child's play.

C'mon, daddy got him in the air guard to avoid Vietnam. He sucked in there, but it was ok, again because of daddy. George W. is the classic prodigal son.

[native]

Points taken, but the leaders aren't the ones who place themselves in harm's way. It's the rank and file.

The last presidents to actually have served in the sh!t were George HW Bush and John Kennedy.

I give Kerrey credit, but he also obfuscated his record. Of course, GW obfuscated his record worse, but did risk his life for a time in F 102's, which was not child's play.

C'mon, daddy got him in the air guard to avoid Vietnam. He sucked in there, but it was ok, again because of daddy. George W. is the classic prodigal son.

Agreed, for the most part. I merely stated the fact that the F102 had a high "Class A" mishap rate.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

btw - there are no blue dogs in the senate they are a house caucus

there were 121 veterans in the house - what i know is the majority are Dems - blue dog or not (i really don't see why that matters, given that blue dogs are fiscal moderates - it's the only criteria to be a member)

as of January the Dems who were veterans in the Senate

Kennedy
Kerry
Inouye - a Medal of Honor winner
Dodd
Akaka
Carper
Bingaman
Harkin
Johnson
Kohl
Lautenberg
Nelson
Reed (RI)
Webb

[native]

...

Do you care about the neocons being so generous with the fruits of other people's loins (i.e. lives)? Shouldn't you be just as outraged that GWB, Cheney, et al were bound and determined to go to war with Iraq after they spent their young adulthood avoiding combat?...

Yes, I take your point and I care very much!

However, I do not ascibe ignoble intentions to the neocon efforts to democratize the middle east, as do many folks. In my view, they took a calculated risk and probably lost, although we may never know.

What if FDR had taken the same risk against the Nazis in Czechoslovakia or Poland? Might fewer lives have been lost in WWII? It is a question worth asking.

[native]

btw - there are no blue dogs in the senate they are a house caucus

there were 121 veterans in the house - what i know is the majority are Dems - blue dog or not (i really don't see why that matters, given that blue dogs are fiscal moderates - it's the only criteria to be a member)

as of January the Dems who were veterans in the Senate

Kennedy
Kerry
Inouye - a Medal of Honor winner
Dodd
Akaka
Carper
Bingaman
Harkin
Johnson
Kohl
Lautenberg
Nelson
Reed (RI)
Webb

Fair enough and thanks for the info.

Although I understand the Blue Dog definition, I consider Webb, Nelson and MAYBE Bingaman/Carper/Johnson to be the Senatorial equivalents, but I do not know enough about the latter to be sure.

[Wedgebuster]

C'mon, daddy got him in the air guard to avoid Vietnam. He sucked in there, but it was ok, again because of daddy. George W. is the classic prodigal son.

Agreed, for the most part. I merely stated the fact that the F102 had a high "Class A" mishap rate.

Not nearly high enough!!

[Chizzang]

This thread has been comical..!!!
natives regular Joe everyday hero's protesting big government - then complain that big government hasn't done enough for them (in almost the same breath)

Then:
native spends the better part of the afternoon defending his completely ridiculous assertion that the protesters are (for some reason) more likely fight the terrorists than brand X citizen...



native you complete me.. I heart you thank you

[UNI88]

...

Do you care about the neocons being so generous with the fruits of other people's loins (i.e. lives)? Shouldn't you be just as outraged that GWB, Cheney, et al were bound and determined to go to war with Iraq after they spent their young adulthood avoiding combat?...

Yes, I take your point and I care very much!

However, I do not ascibe ignoble intentions to the neocon efforts to democratize the middle east, as do many folks. In my view, they took a calculated risk and probably lost, although we may never know.

What if FDR had taken the same risk against the Nazis in Czechoslovakia or Poland? Might fewer lives have been lost in WWII? It is a question worth asking.

My problem with the neocons and Iraq is essentially threefold:
1) IMO they were bound and determined to go to war and to support their efforts presented the evidence that most strongly supported case for WMDs in Iraq. If a more complete picture were presented, Congress might not have voted in favor of the war.
2) They were completely delusional when it came to planning for the "peace". They appeared to believe that Americans would be welcomed with open arms and hailed as liberators for getting rid of Saddam and that the people would lay down their arms (and centuries old conflicts) and embrace western style democracy. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of Islam, Arab and local tribal cultures should have understood that it wouldn't be that easy. This hubris cost thousands of lives and diverted our attention from what should have been its focus in Afghanistan.
3) They labeled anyone who disagreed with them as unpatriotic (kind of like what Obama's followers are doing in labeling anyone who disagrees with them as racist).

I don't have a problem with conservatives calling out Obama and his supporters for their faults but to do so without acknowledging that those they supported are guilty of similar offenses is disingenous. And which faults/offenses are more egregrious is a matter of opinion and others opinions should be respected.

And I do enjoy sitting here in the middle pointing out both sides imperfections.

[Appaholic]

Quantify.....got any data supporting your statement or are you just taking your daily stroll with broad generalizations?..apples to oranges....there should be nothing inherent in a Tea Party supporter vs general population that would make them more likely fight in the military....about like stating a President who served in the military is more likely to start a war....

Well, Appy, to make my assertion, I do indeed assume that Tea Party activists are largely conservative and libertarian. Would you be willing to stipulate that this is the case, or do I need to find some data?

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Nope...as long as you are comfortable with my assertion that the Tea Party activists are more likely racist and uneducated....

[Appaholic]

Yes, I take your point and I care very much!

However, I do not ascibe ignoble intentions to the neocon efforts to democratize the middle east, as do many folks. In my view, they took a calculated risk and probably lost, although we may never know.

What if FDR had taken the same risk against the Nazis in Czechoslovakia or Poland? Might fewer lives have been lost in WWII? It is a question worth asking.

My problem with the neocons and Iraq is essentially threefold:
1) IMO they were bound and determined to go to war and to support their efforts presented the evidence that most strongly supported case for WMDs in Iraq. If a more complete picture were presented, Congress might not have voted in favor of the war.
2) They were completely delusional when it came to planning for the "peace". They appeared to believe that Americans would be welcomed with open arms and hailed as liberators for getting rid of Saddam and that the people would lay down their arms (and centuries old conflicts) and embrace western style democracy. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of Islam, Arab and local tribal cultures should have understood that it wouldn't be that easy. This hubris cost thousands of lives and diverted our attention from what should have been its focus in Afghanistan.
3) They labeled anyone who disagreed with them as unpatriotic (kind of like what Obama's followers are doing in labeling anyone who disagrees with them as racist).

I don't have a problem with conservatives calling out Obama and his supporters for their faults but to do so without acknowledging that those they supported are guilty of similar offenses is disingenous. And which faults/offenses are more egregrious is a matter of opinion and others opinions should be respected.

And I do enjoy sitting here in the middle pointing out both sides imperfections.

Well put UNI....