Gay soccer team snubbed by Muslim team

[Cleets Part 2]

Noam Chomsky is a douche bag

However: I'm all ears native
can you name a "religion of peace"..?

Scientology is the closest thing going today - any others..?

Well, at least we agree on Chomsky.

...probably Buddhists, too.

Go ahead. Try and tell me that Christianity is not a religion of peace because of the Inquisition and War of the Roses and such.

Not the Crusades, because I will slam that back down your throat. Islam invited the Crusades by using the sword to conquer. Some Christian kings and emperors have done the same thing, but on a much smaller scale. The difference is that Islam is innately violent and aggressive by design. The episodes of brutality under Christian kings and emperors have been violent despite the design of the religion.

Your propositions usually compare some flawed system you wish to criticize against some unattainable perfect utopian system. Not good enough to make the case.

Are you willing to acknowledge your real blind spot on religion, that the historical non-religious dictators and conquerors have been worse than the religious regimes you love to criticize?

At least you are not (yet) saying that all religions are alike.

First of all you're over reacting...
I do not "love to criticize" religion - in fact it does not often cross my mind... but I also see no reason to protect organized religions or pretend they are something they aren't

And yes - it's a violent world - humans kill each other every single day - some as dictators some as Bishops some as kings some as holy men some as army men... who cares

Islam in many ways is "just another religion"
in many way's it's actually fairly unique but in no way is it all good or all evil - these threads where we try to demonize one belief system over another is tedious...

However:
Until each man alone has an individual relationship with the God of his understanding - one man - one religion - to each his own... until then, this world will never know peace - 6 billion individuals 6 billion one man religious armies... anything else is doomed to fail (as it has been for 6000 years)

[native]

Don't care so much for homework, eh GTH?

So Christians never committed atrocities in the name of God?

Sure they did. They had slaves like the muslims, too. That's not enough to justify your comparison.

There are profound and distinct differences between Islam and Christianity above and beyond the 700 year difference in the years of societal development.

Christians breathe oxygen just as do muslims, nazis, birds and Bahais. That fact does not justify a conclusion that the only differences between the groups are the stages of societal development.

[Grizalltheway]

So Christians never committed atrocities in the name of God?

Sure they did. They had slaves like the muslims, too. That's not enough to justify your comparison.

There are profound and distinct differences between Islam and Christianity above and beyond the 700 year difference in the years of societal development.

Christians breathe oxygen just as do muslims, nazis, birds and Bahais. That fact does not justify a conclusion that the only differences between the groups are the stages of societal development.

You're right, I was exaggerating for effect. But, from my point of view, they're not that much different because I think they're both BS. You'll obviously disagree with that, and that's fine. I just don't think it's fair to label all Christians as forces of good in the world and all Muslims as evil.
That's not to say that anyone on this forum does that on a regular basis, but I do get that vibe sometimes.

[native]

First of all you're over reacting...
I do not "love to criticize" religion - in fact it does not often cross my mind... but I also see no reason to protect organized religions or pretend they are something they aren't (1)

And yes - it's a violent world - humans kill each other every single day - some as dictators some as Bishops some as kings some as holy men some as army men... who cares (2)

Islam in many ways is "just another religion"
in many way's it's actually fairly unique but in no way is it all good or all evil - these threads where we try to demonize one belief system over another is tedious... (3)

However:
Until each man alone has an individual relationship with the God of his understanding - one man - one religion - to each his own... until then, this world will never know peace - 6 billion individuals 6 billion one man religious armies... anything else is doomed to fail (as it has been for 6000 years) (4)

1. It is also important to recognize that, on balance, religions have done more good than harm.
2. I care. It is important to measure the effects. Measure the dead bodies, for example. All results are not the same.
3. Points taken, sort of, but not a justification to stick one's head in the sand. In order to craft practical policies and actions, it is important to understand, observe, and measure similarities and differences. yes, that kind of practical application can be tedious, but that was probably not what you meant.
4. Interesting assertion but you have not made a case for it. Lots of successes mixed in with the failures.

[native]

Sure they did. They had slaves like the muslims, too. That's not enough to justify your comparison.

There are profound and distinct differences between Islam and Christianity above and beyond the 700 year difference in the years of societal development.

Christians breathe oxygen just as do muslims, nazis, birds and Bahais. That fact does not justify a conclusion that the only differences between the groups are the stages of societal development.

You're right, I was exaggerating for effect. But, from my point of view, they're not that much different because I think they're both BS. You'll obviously disagree with that, and that's fine. I just don't think it's fair to label all Christians as forces of good in the world and all Muslims as evil.
That's not to say that anyone on this forum does that on a regular basis, but I do get that vibe sometimes.

Points taken. I agree with some of what you have written, but if you think Christianity and Islam are both BS, what do you propose as the alternative? Modern progressivism? Every time man places himself above God, we get something worse - Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... even the French Revolution!

[Grizalltheway]

You're right, I was exaggerating for effect. But, from my point of view, they're not that much different because I think they're both BS. You'll obviously disagree with that, and that's fine. I just don't think it's fair to label all Christians as forces of good in the world and all Muslims as evil.
That's not to say that anyone on this forum does that on a regular basis, but I do get that vibe sometimes.

Points taken. I agree with some of what you have written, but if you think Christianity and Islam are both BS, what do you propose as the alternative? Modern progressivism? Every time man places himself above God, we get something worse - Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... even the French Revolution!

Humanism.

[native]

Points taken. I agree with some of what you have written, but if you think Christianity and Islam are both BS, what do you propose as the alternative? Modern progressivism? Every time man places himself above God, we get something worse - Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... even the French Revolution!

Humanism.

??? It will take me a while to clean out the cobwebs.

[dbackjon]

First of all you're over reacting...
I do not "love to criticize" religion - in fact it does not often cross my mind... but I also see no reason to protect organized religions or pretend they are something they aren't (1)

And yes - it's a violent world - humans kill each other every single day - some as dictators some as Bishops some as kings some as holy men some as army men... who cares (2)

Islam in many ways is "just another religion"
in many way's it's actually fairly unique but in no way is it all good or all evil - these threads where we try to demonize one belief system over another is tedious... (3)

However:
Until each man alone has an individual relationship with the God of his understanding - one man - one religion - to each his own... until then, this world will never know peace - 6 billion individuals 6 billion one man religious armies... anything else is doomed to fail (as it has been for 6000 years) (4)

1. It is also important to recognize that, on balance, religions have done more good than harm.
2. I care. It is important to measure the effects. Measure the dead bodies, for example. All results are not the same.
3. Points taken, sort of, but not a justification to stick one's head in the sand. In order to craft practical policies and actions, it is important to understand, observe, and measure similarities and differences. yes, that kind of practical application can be tedious, but that was probably not what you meant.
4. Interesting assertion but you have not made a case for it. Lots of successes mixed in with the failures.

1) What is your proof for that? Hundreds of Millions dead because of religion.

[Cap'n Cat]

That's not funny, AG.

Its just as funny as some assh*le posting pictures like that on here.

Asshole? Glass houses, stones....you know?

[Ivytalk]

I think dbackjon's softball team should issue a challenge to any Muslim bunch that cares to take them on -- in this country. My money's on the gays!

[native]

Its just as funny as some assh*le posting pictures like that on here.

*******? Glass houses, stones....you know?

I call 'em like I see 'em, Cap.

Even though your gay nudie pic that I protested was not a personal attack, it had no relevance to the thread. Post it in a new thread in the locker area.

The Matthew Shepherd remark was a direct and uncalled for attack on my gay colleagues in this blogspot. I do not approve of their chosen lifestyle, but I spent 25 years risking my life to defend their rights to be as stupid as they wish to be - preferrably in the privacy of their own bedroom.

I think the Shepherd remark crossed a line and I would be a fvcking coward if I did not stand up for them. Please feel free to disagree.

[native]

1. It is also important to recognize that, on balance, religions have done more good than harm.
2. I care. It is important to measure the effects. Measure the dead bodies, for example. All results are not the same.
3. Points taken, sort of, but not a justification to stick one's head in the sand. In order to craft practical policies and actions, it is important to understand, observe, and measure similarities and differences. yes, that kind of practical application can be tedious, but that was probably not what you meant.
4. Interesting assertion but you have not made a case for it. Lots of successes mixed in with the failures.

1) What is your proof for that? Hundreds of Millions dead because of religion.

Have you actually looked at the numbers, Jon? The humanists make the religionists look like pikers. The most authoritative and comprehensive source available is Rummel at the University of Hawaii. Google "Rummel" and "democide," take two aspirin, and call me in the morning.

[Cap'n Cat]

*******? Glass houses, stones....you know?

I call 'em like I see 'em, Cap.

Even though your gay nudie pic that I protested was not a personal attack, it had no relevance to the thread. Post it in a new thread in the locker area.

The Matthew Shepherd remark was a direct and uncalled for attack on my gay colleagues in this blogspot. I do not approve of their chosen lifestyle, but I spent 25 years risking my life to defend their rights to be as stupid as they wish to be - preferrably in the privacy of their own bedroom.

I think the Shepherd remark crossed a line and I would be a fvcking coward if I did not stand up for them. Please feel free to disagree.

Blow it out yer ass, you Mormon fvck.

[Grizalltheway]

1) What is your proof for that? Hundreds of Millions dead because of religion.

Have you actually looked at the numbers, Jon? The humanists make the religionists look like pikers. The most authoritative and comprehensive source available is Rummel at the University of Hawaii. Google "Rummel" and "democide," take two aspirin, and call me in the morning.

Atheism =/= humanism.

[native]

I call 'em like I see 'em, Cap.

Even though your gay nudie pic that I protested was not a personal attack, it had no relevance to the thread. Post it in a new thread in the locker area.

The Matthew Shepherd remark was a direct and uncalled for attack on my gay colleagues in this blogspot. I do not approve of their chosen lifestyle, but I spent 25 years risking my life to defend their rights to be as stupid as they wish to be - preferrably in the privacy of their own bedroom.

I think the Shepherd remark crossed a line and I would be a fvcking coward if I did not stand up for them. Please feel free to disagree.

Blow it out yer ass, you Mormon fvck.

I'm not LDS.

[Cap'n Cat]

Blow it out yer ass, you Mormon fvck.

I'm not LDS.

You're right. Sorry, I meant CLD.


Conk Learning Disabled.

[native]

Have you actually looked at the numbers, Jon? The humanists make the religionists look like pikers. The most authoritative and comprehensive source available is Rummel at the University of Hawaii. Google "Rummel" and "democide," take two aspirin, and call me in the morning.

Atheism =/= humanism.

Ever heard of the French Revolution, GTH? Crushed the Church, replaced it with humanism, and plunged France into terror, dictatorship and war.

[native]

I'm not LDS.

You're right. Sorry, I meant CLD.


Conk Learning Disabled.

Clever. Is that the best ya got?

[Cap'n Cat]

Atheism =/= humanism.

Ever heard of the French Revolution, GTH? Crushed the Church, replaced it with humanism, and plunged France into terror, dictatorship and war.

Good God are you fvcked! Man, the forefathers you Conks fellate sloppily here all the time were some of the greatest humanists around and disliked religion. Fvck, the Church in France was behind them royal assholes opppressin' the common folk.

Dude, get thee to a junior college for an adult History refresher. You and Z.

[native]

Ever heard of the French Revolution, GTH? Crushed the Church, replaced it with humanism, and plunged France into terror, dictatorship and war.

Good God are you fvcked! Man, the forefathers you Conks fellate sloppily here all the time were some of the greatest humanists around and disliked religion. Fvck, the Church in France was behind them royal ******* opppressin' the common folk.

Dude, get thee to a junior college for an adult History refresher. You and Z.

Of course the "Ancien Regime" had deep flaws which required correction, but French secular humanism proved worse and did not have to be the answer.

The American Revolution provided a far superior answer. You can argue that many of the American Revolutionary deists were also humanists, but the fact remains that the Biblical Christianity of most of the founders and citizenry engendered a responsible citizenry, social harmony and political stability, with which the religious humanists were obviously comfortable.

For this reason the American Revolution grounded in faith compares favorably to the French Revolution based on secular humanism.

[Pwns]

If I see one more picture of a mangled corpse on this site, I'm going to start posting nude pics of Rosie O'Donnel in random threads. \\

[CID1990]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1

So much for Islam being a religion of peace

There the religion of piece...

a piece here, a piece there.... theres always many pieces when they are done with their missions...

Dude actually looks pretty good. I saw some that looked worse down in Jisr Dialah, south of Baghdad. (We called it "Jism Diarrhea")

I always wondered one thing.....


How pissed is that guy gonna be when he gets to paradise and realizes he's missing his wedding tackle?

[Wedgebuster]

Not reading 46 quotes on this subject 'cause I already have the answer, gay and soccer are synonyms.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

[bobbythekidd]

Not reading 46 quotes on this subject 'cause I already have the answer, gay and soccer are synonyms.

Just a twist on that, one of my favorite quotes...

When asked by a sports reporter if his option offense would be successful at the I-A level. Paul Johnson responded by saying, "If you like a lot of passing and not much scoring, watch soccer."