Dinosaur "Thumpers"

[Cleets Part 2]

This thread made me laugh really hard. I thought every animal go to go on the ark. Are dinosaurs sinner?

How did carnivores survive on vegetables?

I bet people just laugh as the go through that stupid museum. The guy even says he can't back any of it up. Its like some guy who hates science with a lot of money built it to be a prick. Wheres the sign that explains carbon dating?

Religion doesn't need to be 180% in the opposite direction of logical reasonable biological assessments...
But for some reason a group of people find happiness there..

it's a strange place... the world of Religious fundamentalism

[death dealer]

Then why do home-schooled kids almost always do better on standardized tests than public school kids?

If that's true, and it probably is, it's because a however-many-kids-you-have to one student/teacher ratio is more effective than a 20:1 ratio (or worse) in public schools. Same reason the social skills of home-schoolers is worse when the student-to-student-body ratio is one to however-many-siblings-you-have.

Home schooling sounds like a great idea if you're a parent who wanted to get a pet instead of having a kid, and you think that putting them in actual cages and leg irons is just a bit too much.

Hey Bench, no offense brother, but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and should keep your piehole shut on this one. You seem like a good guy, but you are way off. I happen to know a large number of home-schooled kids in my area that are all the nicest, most well adjusted, socially adept, and interesting kids I have ever been around. Most of them are very well travelled, have read more extensively than even I, and speak at least one foreign language fluently. Their parents have rejected the one size fits all, cookie cutter, race to the lowest common denominator diploma mills that are most public school systems in the U.S. Some of them are actually very religious, but not all. Many of them are doctors, lawyers, college professors, and other professionals, but some are just regular old folks that having been spat out of the miserable excuse we call a public education, want more for their kids. Every single one of the kids that I know of from this group that has gone on to college (and they all have that have reached that age), have gotten academic scholarships. Pretty impressive. So don't be so quick to generalize.

[death dealer]

How the fuck did this get to be about home-schooling anyway? I thought it was about the whole creationist museum bullshit?

[bobbythekidd]

How the fuck did this get to be about home-schooling anyway? I thought it was about the whole creationist museum bullshit?

Like most of the threads started today, they have been hijacked for entertainment value of the CAA posters.

A move that I endorse.

[bench]

If that's true, and it probably is, it's because a however-many-kids-you-have to one student/teacher ratio is more effective than a 20:1 ratio (or worse) in public schools. Same reason the social skills of home-schoolers is worse when the student-to-student-body ratio is one to however-many-siblings-you-have.

Home schooling sounds like a great idea if you're a parent who wanted to get a pet instead of having a kid, and you think that putting them in actual cages and leg irons is just a bit too much.

Hey Bench, no offense brother, but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and should keep your piehole shut on this one. You seem like a good guy, but you are way off. I happen to know a large number of home-schooled kids in my area that are all the nicest, most well adjusted, socially adept, and interesting kids I have ever been around. Most of them are very well travelled, have read more extensively than even I, and speak at least one foreign language fluently. Their parents have rejected the one size fits all, cookie cutter, race to the lowest common denominator diploma mills that are most public school systems in the U.S. Some of them are actually very religious, but not all. Many of them are doctors, lawyers, college professors, and other professionals, but some are just regular old folks that having been spat out of the miserable excuse we call a public education, want more for their kids. Every single one of the kids that I know of from this group that has gone on to college (and they all have that have reached that age), have gotten academic scholarships. Pretty impressive. So don't be so quick to generalize.

Oh, none taken, Daddio. I don't quite understand how my saying home-schooling parents want to fashion their kids in their own image and with their own influence meant I was calling them fundie retards, but I found your anecdotal evidence detailing a super-human race of over-achieving, home-schooled little Fonzis most fascinating. HEY, THEY'VE BEEN TO AMSTERDAM! THEY READ THE GODDAMN ECONOMIST, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

[death dealer]

Hey Bench, no offense brother, but you don't know what the fuck you are talking about, and should keep your piehole shut on this one. You seem like a good guy, but you are way off. I happen to know a large number of home-schooled kids in my area that are all the nicest, most well adjusted, socially adept, and interesting kids I have ever been around. Most of them are very well travelled, have read more extensively than even I, and speak at least one foreign language fluently. Their parents have rejected the one size fits all, cookie cutter, race to the lowest common denominator diploma mills that are most public school systems in the U.S. Some of them are actually very religious, but not all. Many of them are doctors, lawyers, college professors, and other professionals, but some are just regular old folks that having been spat out of the miserable excuse we call a public education, want more for their kids. Every single one of the kids that I know of from this group that has gone on to college (and they all have that have reached that age), have gotten academic scholarships. Pretty impressive. So don't be so quick to generalize.

Oh, none taken, Daddio. I don't quite understand how my saying home-schooling parents want to fashion their kids in their own image and with their own influence meant I was calling them fundie retards, but I found your anecdotal evidence detailing a super-human race of over-achieving, home-schooled little Fonzis most fascinating. HEY, THEY'VE BEEN TO AMSTERDAM! THEY READ THE GODDAMN ECONOMIST, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

Let me remind you of your earlier reference to the poor social skills of home-schoolers. Based on the improper conjugation of the verb in that sentence, you might of gotten some benefit from a better education. If you'd like to stereotype and generalize without knowing what the fuck you're talking about any further, maybe you can start with my Jewish mother next. Why don't you run along and bother somebody else, you are clearly out of your depth here, boy.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

This thread made me laugh really hard. I thought every animal go to go on the ark. Are dinosaurs sinner?

How did carnivores survive on vegetables?

I bet people just laugh as the go through that stupid museum. The guy even says he can't back any of it up. Its like some guy who hates science with a lot of money built it to be a prick. Wheres the sign that explains carbon dating?

They don't acknowledge carbon dating and are completely against carbon marriage.

[bench]

Oh, none taken, Daddio. I don't quite understand how my saying home-schooling parents want to fashion their kids in their own image and with their own influence meant I was calling them fundie retards, but I found your anecdotal evidence detailing a super-human race of over-achieving, home-schooled little Fonzis most fascinating. HEY, THEY'VE BEEN TO AMSTERDAM! THEY READ THE GODDAMN ECONOMIST, FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

Let me remind you of your earlier reference to the poor social skills of home-schoolers. Based on the improper conjugation of the verb in that sentence, you might of gotten some benefit from a better education. If you'd like to stereotype and generalize without knowing what the fuck you're talking about any further, maybe you can start with my Jewish mother next. Why don't you run along and bother somebody else, you are clearly out of your depth here, boy.

"Boy"? Really? So you're a dentist, the president of whatever the home-school equivalent of the PTA would be, a snotty amateur grammarian, AND a Southern sheriff's deputy?

I'm sure the majority of the kids you know are just fan-fucking-tastic. No, seriously. I mean that. And I'm sure the parents have some noble and high-minded motivations. But I still believe that home-schooling parents tend to be narcissistic perfectionist control freaks with trust issues, and insulting me like you did sure as hell ain't changin' my mind not one little bit. Do we understand each other any better now? 'Cause I really don't have the time or the patience to go back and forth with you over this stupid shit, over something that I thought was a fairly innocuous throwaway comment to begin with.

[OSBF]

Let me remind you of your earlier reference to the poor social skills of home-schoolers. Based on the improper conjugation of the verb in that sentence, you might of gotten some benefit from a better education. If you'd like to stereotype and generalize without knowing what the fuck you're talking about any further, maybe you can start with my Jewish mother next. Why don't you run along and bother somebody else, you are clearly out of your depth here, boy.

"Boy"? Really? So you're a dentist, the president of whatever the home-school equivalent of the PTA would be, a snotty amateur grammarian, AND a Southern sheriff's deputy?

I'm sure the majority of the kids you know are just fan-fucking-tastic. No, seriously. I mean that. And I'm sure the parents have some noble and high-minded motivations. But I still believe that home-schooling parents tend to be narcissistic perfectionist control freaks with trust issues, and insulting me like you did sure as hell ain't changin' my mind not one little bit. Do we understand each other any better now? 'Cause I really don't have the time or the patience to go back and forth with you over this stupid shit, over something that I thought was a fairly innocuous throwaway comment to begin with.

Hey, he's also the world expert on organic agriculture standards. He knows everything about everything, if you don't believe me, just ask him, he'll be happy to tell you that he does.

[Cleets Part 2]

Hey, he's also the world expert on organic agriculture standards. He knows everything about everything, if you don't believe me, just ask him, he'll be happy to tell you that he does.

[Pwns]

There's no magic way to ace tests without mastering all the content knowledge.

BULLSHIT

I got through college with very little effort and a GPA about 3.8 because I knew how to take tests. Got through high school with even less effort, taking mostly all college prep classes. If what you say is true, then explain to me why teaching students take entire courses on how to write tests, how to write lesson plans and the like.

Sure wish the homeschool wacko's had to meet the same criteria in order to be an "educator" that any other teacher, public or private school, does. Any one claiming to be able to educate children should be forced to have a state license, just like any other teacher.

You didn't address my points.

1. Do you think all homeschooling parents do nothing but train their kids to do well on tests?

2. And even if they do, do the public schools basically do the same thing with NCLB that the federal government in its infinite wisdom instituted? How is it public school kids still get their a**es handed to them in test scores?

3. Do you honestly think it is possible to do well on tests without mastering the content knowledge? Especially when it comes to scores in math and reading comprehension?

4. Do you know of a better way to test competency of kids in subject matter?

LoL at that last sentence of yours. Most of the most effective instructors I have had are college professors who have never set foot inside any education class. Our education classes basically teach nothing but Mickey Mouse nonsense, broken theories or pedagogy, and mindless idealism. They are attracting the lowest achieving students and there's basically no rigor whatsoever in the education coursework. How anyone could say certification in the modern-day college of education makes you a better teacher is beyond me.

[Cleets Part 2]

LoL at that last sentence of yours. Most of the most effective instructors I have had are college professors who have never set foot inside any education class. Our education classes basically teach nothing but Mickey Mouse nonsense, broken theories or pedagogy, and mindless idealism. They are attracting the lowest achieving students and there's basically no rigor whatsoever in the education coursework. How anyone could say certification in the modern-day college of education makes you a better teacher is beyond me.

Sounds like a serious indictment of Georgia Southern...
I assure you if you want to be challenged take an advanced physics class at MIT or an engineering lab at The Harvard School of Applied Sciences...

[death dealer]

"Boy"? Really? So you're a dentist, the president of whatever the home-school equivalent of the PTA would be, a snotty amateur grammarian, AND a Southern sheriff's deputy?

I'm sure the majority of the kids you know are just fan-fucking-tastic. No, seriously. I mean that. And I'm sure the parents have some noble and high-minded motivations. But I still believe that home-schooling parents tend to be narcissistic perfectionist control freaks with trust issues, and insulting me like you did sure as hell ain't changin' my mind not one little bit. Do we understand each other any better now? 'Cause I really don't have the time or the patience to go back and forth with you over this stupid shit, over something that I thought was a fairly innocuous throwaway comment to begin with.

Hey, he's also the world expert on organic agriculture standards. He knows everything about everything, if you don't believe me, just ask him, he'll be happy to tell you that he does.

Hey Old Saggy Bug Fungus, why don't you lick my hairy sack! Mind your own business or when I'm finished with Bench, I'll lay waste to your crops as well, you pissant.

[OSBF]

BULLSHIT

I got through college with very little effort and a GPA about 3.8 because I knew how to take tests. Got through high school with even less effort, taking mostly all college prep classes. If what you say is true, then explain to me why teaching students take entire courses on how to write tests, how to write lesson plans and the like.

Sure wish the homeschool wacko's had to meet the same criteria in order to be an "educator" that any other teacher, public or private school, does. Any one claiming to be able to educate children should be forced to have a state license, just like any other teacher.

You didn't address my points.

1. Do you think all homeschooling parents do nothing but train their kids to do well on tests?

2. And even if they do, do the public schools basically do the same thing with NCLB that the federal government in its infinite wisdom instituted? How is it public school kids still get their a**es handed to them in test scores?

3. Do you honestly think it is possible to do well on tests without mastering the content knowledge? Especially when it comes to scores in math and reading comprehension?

4. Do you know of a better way to test competency of kids in subject matter?

LoL at that last sentence of yours. Most of the most effective instructors I have had are college professors who have never set foot inside any education class. Our education classes basically teach nothing but Mickey Mouse nonsense, broken theories or pedagogy, and mindless idealism. They are attracting the lowest achieving students and there's basically no rigor whatsoever in the education coursework. How anyone could say certification in the modern-day college of education makes you a better teacher is beyond me.

1) Any educational system that forces educators to teach to a mandated standardized test is flawed. Standaradized tests are a poor indicator or learning and teaching. I think most people homeschool because they are terrified of their children being exposed to an environment that fosters the free exchange of ideas, critical thinking, and allows for individual thoughts and expression of ideas. They are affraid to expose their kids to anyone that doesn't think, act, and have the same color skin that they do because all their brainwashing and propoganda will be exposed as a fraud.

2) Again, standard tests are a poor indicator, but anyone with even a 3rd grade understanding of statistical methods can explain what's going on. In a public school each and every student takes the same mandated standard tests to measure AYP. Even the LD students, some of which may have measured IQ's in the 70's. You don't find these special needs students at home or in a private college prep HS. If you could do a little statistical analysis of the scores and compare apples to apples the scores are virtually identical. If you look at public school students taking AP and college prep coursework, they score the same as homeschool and private school students. Privates can turn away these special needs students, publics don't have that as an option. Most private school students are also headed for college of some type, very few go to work or military right after graduation, which isn't so uncommon with public school students.

3) Yes, I'm an excellent test taker, I learned how to do it. With a very basic understanding of the material, I could do quite well on any multiple guess test written by someone that hasn't been trained on how to properly compose evaluation documents. I know what to look for, can sort out the right answers from the bullshit fairly easily. If you're talking about fill in the blank or essay format, well, those formats are more challenging, but no standardized testing usese those formats.

4) Yes, as a matter of fact I do. Allow teachers to teach the material and course content and do their own evaluation rather than teaching to a govt mandated standard evaluation instrument. Real education is not attemrting to store bits of specific information in short term memory then puke it back out by filling in ovals with a #2 pencil. Education is a free exchange of ideas and perspectives, an opportunity for personal growth and expanding your mind. Perhaps you even acquire enough perspective on something to alter how you view a topic or issue. Real learning is not vomitting back information, real learning is applying and using information, and perhaps a good measure of personal growth included.

[OSBF]

Hey, he's also the world expert on organic agriculture standards. He knows everything about everything, if you don't believe me, just ask him, he'll be happy to tell you that he does.

Hey Old Saggy Bug Fungus, why don't you lick my hairy sack! Mind your own business or when I'm finished with Bench, I'll lay waste to your crops as well, you pissant.

Your sac is hairy? You do know there are things you can do for that? Most girls I know prefer lineolium over shag in the bedroom.

[CitadelGrad]

LoL at that last sentence of yours. Most of the most effective instructors I have had are college professors who have never set foot inside any education class. Our education classes basically teach nothing but Mickey Mouse nonsense, broken theories or pedagogy, and mindless idealism. They are attracting the lowest achieving students and there's basically no rigor whatsoever in the education coursework. How anyone could say certification in the modern-day college of education makes you a better teacher is beyond me.

Sounds like a serious indictment of Georgia Southern...
I assure you if you want to be challenged take an advanced physics class at MIT or an engineering lab at The Harvard School of Applied Sciences...

I used to date a girl who had two electrical engineering/computer science degrees from MIT. Changing flashlight batteries was a challenge for her. Typical egghead geek bitch.

[ChetSteadman]

Hey Old Saggy Bug Fungus, why don't you lick my hairy sack! Mind your own business or when I'm finished with Bench, I'll lay waste to your crops as well, you pissant.

Your sac is hairy? You do know there are things you can do for that? Most girls I know prefer lineolium over shag in the bedroom.

DD's old as dirt. He hasn't seen his balls in years.

[death dealer]

Hey Old Saggy Bug Fungus, why don't you lick my hairy sack! Mind your own business or when I'm finished with Bench, I'll lay waste to your crops as well, you pissant.

Your sac is hairy? You do know there are things you can do for that? Most girls I know prefer lineolium over shag in the bedroom.

I'm glad to see you don't take this shit too seriously. I'm taking the D1B/Cap'n Cat approach to life these days and just carpet bombing people to see who will bite. I'm proud of you for playing ball.

I still hate the USDA, and you can kiss my hairy ass on that one. And it is very hairy. I'm half Jewish.

[death dealer]

Your sac is hairy? You do know there are things you can do for that? Most girls I know prefer lineolium over shag in the bedroom.

DD's old as dirt. He hasn't seen his balls in years.

I resent that remark. It is way too close to the truth, but I resent the hell out of it anyway!!

[death dealer]

And I don't even want to know what it is you do for your hairy sack issues! Whateve it is, it can't be good for you.

I'll stick with the furbag, it keeps the boys warm during the cold winter months.

[Cleets Part 2]

I used to date a girl who had two electrical engineering/computer science degrees from MIT. Changing flashlight batteries was a challenge for her. Typical egghead geek bitch.

Okay I see your ripe for a few pointers...

A) MIT & Harvard women are not "dating material" under any circumstances
B) They smell of book mold and hairy pit stank
c) They're smarter than you... regardless of the batteries in her "flashlight" (by the way you can say Dildo on this forum) we all know what you were actually talking about
D) Never admit to actually "dating" one of the trolls from an Ivy

Move along now

[Grizalltheway]

And I don't even want to know what it is you do for your hairy sack issues! Whateve it is, it can't be good for you.

I'll stick with the furbag, it keeps the boys warm during the cold winter months.

Sheet man, there's no such thing as "cold winter months" in SC.

[CitadelGrad]

Thanks for the pointers, but unnecessary. I'm reasonably well versed in MIT and Ivy women. Haven't dated any Harvard women, but there was that MILF from Radcliffe. She was great, but she preferred to play for the other team.

Not all Ivy girls are the same. I've dated a few from Cornell and one from Dartmouth. They were all rather pleasant (up to a point) even though the Dartmouth girl was a bit clingy. I won't even get into that one Wellesley chick. She was just way way out there. There was that one Brown girl, but she was only a one-nighter. Great in the sack though.

[Pwns]

LoL at that last sentence of yours. Most of the most effective instructors I have had are college professors who have never set foot inside any education class. Our education classes basically teach nothing but Mickey Mouse nonsense, broken theories or pedagogy, and mindless idealism. They are attracting the lowest achieving students and there's basically no rigor whatsoever in the education coursework. How anyone could say certification in the modern-day college of education makes you a better teacher is beyond me.

Sounds like a serious indictment of Georgia Southern...
I assure you if you want to be challenged take an advanced physics class at MIT or an engineering lab at The Harvard School of Applied Sciences...

I'm not an education major, Cleets. I'm just stating what I know from 1) people I know who are ed majors and 2) from people who have been through teacher training in higher learning. It's all really quite comical.

And I sense some elitism in this post. I'll have you know this series of videos that Stanford's EE department uploaded on youtube helped me get through an advanced differential equations course at GSU. The guy's an awesome lecturer. Never thought lectures at an elite school would be so down-to-earth and lucid.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... m+Stanford

2) Again, standard tests are a poor indicator, but anyone with even a 3rd grade understanding of statistical methods can explain what's going on. In a public school each and every student takes the same mandated standard tests to measure AYP. Even the LD students, some of which may have measured IQ's in the 70's. You don't find these special needs students at home or in a private college prep HS. If you could do a little statistical analysis of the scores and compare apples to apples the scores are virtually identical. If you look at public school students taking AP and college prep coursework, they score the same as homeschool and private school students. Privates can turn away these special needs students, publics don't have that as an option. Most private school students are also headed for college of some type, very few go to work or military right after graduation, which isn't so uncommon with public school students.

The gap between the homeschooled kids' test scores are less than those between public and private schools. What percentage of public schools are special needs, anyways?

3) Yes, I'm an excellent test taker, I learned how to do it. With a very basic understanding of the material, I could do quite well on any multiple guess test written by someone that hasn't been trained on how to properly compose evaluation documents. I know what to look for, can sort out the right answers from the bullshit fairly easily. If you're talking about fill in the blank or essay format, well, those formats are more challenging, but no standardized testing usese those formats.

No offense, OSBF, but you must have been in a complete creampuff degree program if you really didn't study and managed to ace your tests. That, or you are just gifted. And if tests aren't a good way to evaluate knowledge, then is it unfair for teacher to use them to evaluate how much a student has attained in a course?

[OSBF]

Sounds like a serious indictment of Georgia Southern...
I assure you if you want to be challenged take an advanced physics class at MIT or an engineering lab at The Harvard School of Applied Sciences...

I'm not an education major, Cleets. I'm just stating what I know from 1) people I know who are ed majors and 2) from people who have been through teacher training in higher learning. It's all really quite comical.

And I sense some elitism in this post. I'll have you know this series of videos that Stanford's EE department uploaded on youtube helped me get through an advanced differential equations course at GSU. The guy's an awesome lecturer. Never thought lectures at an elite school would be so down-to-earth and lucid.

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p ... m+Stanford

2) Again, standard tests are a poor indicator, but anyone with even a 3rd grade understanding of statistical methods can explain what's going on. In a public school each and every student takes the same mandated standard tests to measure AYP. Even the LD students, some of which may have measured IQ's in the 70's. You don't find these special needs students at home or in a private college prep HS. If you could do a little statistical analysis of the scores and compare apples to apples the scores are virtually identical. If you look at public school students taking AP and college prep coursework, they score the same as homeschool and private school students. Privates can turn away these special needs students, publics don't have that as an option. Most private school students are also headed for college of some type, very few go to work or military right after graduation, which isn't so uncommon with public school students.

The gap between the homeschooled kids' test scores are less than those between public and private schools. What percentage of public schools are special needs, anyways?

3) Yes, I'm an excellent test taker, I learned how to do it. With a very basic understanding of the material, I could do quite well on any multiple guess test written by someone that hasn't been trained on how to properly compose evaluation documents. I know what to look for, can sort out the right answers from the bullshit fairly easily. If you're talking about fill in the blank or essay format, well, those formats are more challenging, but no standardized testing usese those formats.

No offense, OSBF, but you must have been in a complete creampuff degree program if you really didn't study and managed to ace your tests. That, or you are just gifted. And if tests aren't a good way to evaluate knowledge, then is it unfair for teacher to use them to evaluate how much a student has attained in a course?

In the HS that my GF teaches at, I've heard her say 25% of the students have an IEP(individual education plan) for a variety of reasons from ADD, ADHD, dyslexia, just being dummer than a bag of hammers, etc etc etc. I didn't say tests are a poor way to evaluate, most all educators will agree that standardized testing is a poor way to measure student or teacher performance.

My major was agronomy, double minor in chemistry and biology,did it in 3 1/2 years, and changed major once. Anyone with an IQ above room temp can learn to take tests, especially multiple guess tests.It really isn't all that hard when the people writting the evaluation instrument don't know how to.