Yankees/Phillies World Series....

[AZGrizFan]

So baseball is a 6 on 6 game now?? Sweet! Who needs those other 3 guys in the line up anyways.

1st guy:
Howard - 45 HR, 141 RBI, .279 BA, .571 SLG (616 AB's)
Rodriguez - 30 HR, 100 RBI, .286 BA, .532 SLG (444 AB's)

That's a wash (when you "annualize" A-Fraud's numbers)

2nd guy:
Utley - 31 HR, 93 RBI, .282 BA, .508 SLG (571 AB's)
Texiera - 39 HR, 122 RBI, .292 BA, .565 SLG (609 AB's)

Slight edge, Yankees

3rd guy:
Rollins - 21 HR, 77 RBI, .250 BA, .423 SLG (672 AB's)
Jeter - 18 HR, 66 RBI, .334 BA, .462 SLG (634 AB's)

Another wash

4th guy:
Werth - 36 HR, 99 RBI, .268 BA, .506 SLG (571 AB's)
Cano - 25 HR, 85 RBI, .320 BA, .520 SLG (637 AB's)

Edge to the Phillies

5th guy:
Victorino - 10 HR, 62 RBI, .292 BA, .445 SLG (620 AB's)
Damon - 24 HR, 82 RBI, .282 BA, .469 SLG (550 AB's)

Edge to the Yankees

6th guy:
Raul Ibanez - 34 HR, 93 RBI, .272 BA, .552 SLG (500 AB's)
Hideki Matsui - 28 HR, 90 RBI, .274 BA, .509 SLG (456 AB's)

Edge to the Phillies

7th guy:
Pedro Feliz - 12 HR, 82 RBI, .266 BA, .386 SLG (580 AB's)
Miguel Cabrera - 13 HR, 68 RBI, .274, .416 SLG (485 AB's)

Wash

8th guy:
Carlos Ruiz - 9 HR, 42 RBI, .245 BA, .425 SLG (322 AB's)
Jorge Posada - 22 HR, 81 RBI, .285 BA, .522 SLG (383 AB's)

Edge to the Yankees

This one's gonna be a barn burner, fellas.

[danefan]

Did you really say this was a wash?

Rollins - 21 HR, 77 RBI, .250 BA, .423 SLG (672 AB's)
Jeter - 18 HR, 66 RBI, .334 BA, .462 SLG (634 AB's)

3 HRs and 11 RBI's makes up for an .80 difference in BA for a leadoff guy?

[Willie]

AZ, you're on crackin' smoke man. I'd take Jeter, Tex, A-Rod, and Damon ANY day over Rollins, Utley and Howard. EVEN if I wasn't a Yankee fan.

[JoltinJoe]

Did you really say this was a wash?

Rollins - 21 HR, 77 RBI, .250 BA, .423 SLG (672 AB's)
Jeter - 18 HR, 66 RBI, .334 BA, .462 SLG (634 AB's)

3 HRs and 11 RBI's makes up for an .80 difference in BA for a leadoff guy?

Rollins OBP this year was .296; Jeter's was .406.

Jeter's OPS was 150 points higher. Jeter's OPS was .871; Rollins was .719.

[AZGrizFan]

Did you really say this was a wash?

Rollins - 21 HR, 77 RBI, .250 BA, .423 SLG (672 AB's)
Jeter - 18 HR, 66 RBI, .334 BA, .462 SLG (634 AB's)

3 HRs and 11 RBI's makes up for an .80 difference in BA for a leadoff guy?

On 7/2, Jimmy Rollins had 7 HR and 27 RBI and was batting .205. In the 2nd half he hit .288, with 15 HR and 50 RBI. Jeter was better (average wise) in the second half as well, hitting .357, with 9 HR & 34 RBI. But don't be fooled by Rollin's season numbers. He's back. If there was a nod, it would be a VERY slight one to the Yanks.

[AZGrizFan]

AZ, you're on crackin' smoke man. I'd take Jeter, Tex, A-Rod, and Damon ANY day over Rollins, Utley and Howard. EVEN if I wasn't a Yankee fan.

Good for you. Nice disclaimer.

[Willie]

AZ, you're on crackin' smoke man. I'd take Jeter, Tex, A-Rod, and Damon ANY day over Rollins, Utley and Howard. EVEN if I wasn't a Yankee fan.

Good for you. Nice disclaimer.

Eat me PINKY.

If you ever thought your title would be returned to normal, you're now sadly mistaken.

[93henfan]

We could stat this to death, but the fact remains that the Phils have been clutch the past few years and the Yanks haven't. They were clutch 10 years ago. Every dog has their day.

[AZGrizFan]

We could stat this to death, but the fact remains that the Phils have been clutch the past few years and the Yanks haven't. They were clutch 10 years ago. Every dog has their day.

Exactly.

[Willie]

We could stat this to death, but the fact remains that the Phils have been clutch the past few years and the Yanks haven't. They were clutch 10 years ago. Every dog has their day.

I think the Yankees have been pretty damn clutch this season.

[JoltinJoe]

Did you really say this was a wash?

Rollins - 21 HR, 77 RBI, .250 BA, .423 SLG (672 AB's)
Jeter - 18 HR, 66 RBI, .334 BA, .462 SLG (634 AB's)

3 HRs and 11 RBI's makes up for an .80 difference in BA for a leadoff guy?

On 7/2, Jimmy Rollins had 7 HR and 27 RBI and was batting .205. In the 2nd half he hit .288, with 15 HR and 50 RBI. Jeter was better (average wise) in the second half as well, hitting .357, with 9 HR & 34 RBI. But don't be fooled by Rollin's season numbers. He's back. If there was a nod, it would be a VERY slight one to the Yanks.

You're comparing a guy who has never hit .300, or had an OBP over .350, with a career .317 hitter, who often is on base 40% of the time, nets 200 hits a year, and has a career OBP of .388. This year's stats are pretty representative of the two.

Jeter is a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Rollins is never getting there.

[AZGrizFan]

On 7/2, Jimmy Rollins had 7 HR and 27 RBI and was batting .205. In the 2nd half he hit .288, with 15 HR and 50 RBI. Jeter was better (average wise) in the second half as well, hitting .357, with 9 HR & 34 RBI. But don't be fooled by Rollin's season numbers. He's back. If there was a nod, it would be a VERY slight one to the Yanks.

You're comparing a guy who has never hit .300, or had an OBP over .350, with a career .317 hitter, who often is on base 40% of the time, nets 200 hits a year, and has a career OBP of .388. This year's stats are pretty representative of the two.

Jeter is a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Rollins is never getting there.

Jesus. Is it THAT important that Jeter have my stamp of approval?

Define "often", Mr. Attorney. Jeter has an OBP over .400 exactly 4 times in a 14 year career. In fact, prior to this year, Jeter's numbers ACROSS THE BOARD had declined three straight years. Must be on some good juice this year.

[JoltinJoe]

You're comparing a guy who has never hit .300, or had an OBP over .350, with a career .317 hitter, who often is on base 40% of the time, nets 200 hits a year, and has a career OBP of .388. This year's stats are pretty representative of the two.

Jeter is a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Rollins is never getting there.

Jesus. Is it THAT important that Jeter have my stamp of approval?

Define "often", Mr. Attorney. Jeter has an OBP over .400 exactly 4 times in a 14 year career. In fact, prior to this year, Jeter's numbers ACROSS THE BOARD had declined. Must be on some good juice this year.

Yes, Jeter needs your approval. Failing that, he'll have to fall back on Minka Kelly for support.

[AZGrizFan]

Jesus. Is it THAT important that Jeter have my stamp of approval?

Define "often", Mr. Attorney. Jeter has an OBP over .400 exactly 4 times in a 14 year career. In fact, prior to this year, Jeter's numbers ACROSS THE BOARD had declined. Must be on some good juice this year.

Yes, Jeter needs your approval. Failing that, he'll have to fall back on Minka Kelly for support.

I meant for YOU, numbnuts.

And Minka already HAS my "stamp"....several times across her belly and face.

[93henfan]

Jeter is a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Rollins is never getting there.

At least you got the first statement right.

How do you figure Rollins won't get into the HOF? The guy's been a league MVP, multiple All Star, multiple Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, and World Fucking Champion. Oh, and he's only 30 (the oldest of the Phils' top five in the lineup, btw).

Don't let your homerism cause you to make more silly statements.

[SunCoastBlueHen]

Let's do the comparison position by position:

Catcher - Posada is a much better hitter than Ruiz. Ruiz, however, is a much better defensive catcher.

Slight edge Yankees

1st Base - Teixeira and Howard are two of the top sluggers in the leaugue. Teixera is a better defensive first baseman.

Slight edge Yankees

2nd Base - Cano is solid, but Utley is one of the best in the bigs.

Solid Edge Phillies

SS - Rollins is the spark plug that makes the Philles go, but Jeter is one of the best ever.

Edge Yankees

3rd Base - I can't stand A-Rod, but even though Feliz is a solid player, he is not in Rodriguez's league

Solid Edge Yankees

Left Field - The numbers for Damon and Francisco are closer than might be expected:

.278/.355/.430 for Damon

.269/.339/.438 for Francisco

Francisco is better defensively making this one a push

Center Field - Victorino is better than Cabrera offensively, defensively and on the bases

Edge Phillies

Right Field - Werth is significantly better than Swisher in every aspect of the game.

Solid Edge Phillies

DH - Matsui and Ibanez are both solid bats who drive in runs and hit with power.

Push

Starting Pitching - Already been discussed at length in this thread. I believe it is a push.

Relief Pitching - Rivera gives the Yankees the edge here.

Sounds like a pretty even series to me that has the potential to be a real barnburner.

[JoltinJoe]

Jeter is a first-ballot Hall of Famer. Rollins is never getting there.

At least you got the first statement right.

How do you figure Rollins won't get into the HOF? The guy's been a league MVP, multiple All Star, multiple Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, and World **** Champion. Oh, and he's only 30 (the oldest of the Phils' top five in the lineup, btw).

Don't let your homerism cause you to make more silly statements.

Rollins is not going to the Hall of Fame. Yes, he had two remarkable seasons, but those seasons are not reflective of his overall body of work. Plus, he has fallen off considerably in the last two seasons, after his MVP year. At this point, you have to figure his 2008 and 2009 numbers reflect what you are getting from Rollins going forward.

A very good ballplayer, but not a Hall of Famer. That's neither silly nor homerism. It's just the facts,

[93henfan]

At least you got the first statement right.

How do you figure Rollins won't get into the HOF? The guy's been a league MVP, multiple All Star, multiple Gold Glove, Silver Slugger, and World **** Champion. Oh, and he's only 30 (the oldest of the Phils' top five in the lineup, btw).

Don't let your homerism cause you to make more silly statements.

Rollins is not going to the Hall of Fame. Yes, he had two remarkable seasons, but those seasons are not reflective of his overall body of work. Plus, he has fallen off considerably in the last two seasons, after his MVP year. At this point, you have to figure his 2008 and 2009 numbers reflect what you are getting from Rollins going forward.

A very good ballplayer, but not a Hall of Famer. That's neither silly nor homerism. It's just the facts,

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree and check back on this thread in fifteen years.

[JoltinJoe]

Rollins is not going to the Hall of Fame. Yes, he had two remarkable seasons, but those seasons are not reflective of his overall body of work. Plus, he has fallen off considerably in the last two seasons, after his MVP year. At this point, you have to figure his 2008 and 2009 numbers reflect what you are getting from Rollins going forward.

A very good ballplayer, but not a Hall of Famer. That's neither silly nor homerism. It's just the facts,

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree and check back on this thread in fifteen years.

How true.

I wouldn't mind being wrong on this one, because frankly I like the guy and the way he plays the game.

BTW, dust off the "Who's You Daddy" chant. I just saw that Charlie Manual named Pedro to start game 2 in YS; allowing Hamels to pitch at home, where his season ERA was much better than his road ERA.

[93henfan]

BTW, dust off the "Who's You Daddy" chant. I just saw that Charlie Manual named Pedro to start game 2 in YS; allowing Hamels to pitch at home, where his season ERA was much better than his road ERA.

Game two should be entertaining.

I'm guessing both skippers send their aces out for short rest appearances in games 4 and, if necessary, 7.

[AZGrizFan]

Rollins is not going to the Hall of Fame. Yes, he had two remarkable seasons, but those seasons are not reflective of his overall body of work. Plus, he has fallen off considerably in the last two seasons, after his MVP year. At this point, you have to figure his 2008 and 2009 numbers reflect what you are getting from Rollins going forward.
A very good ballplayer, but not a Hall of Famer. That's neither silly nor homerism. It's just the facts,

Really? Did you think that Jeter's 3-year decline in 06/07/08 reflected "what you are getting from him going forward"? And then he breaks out with 2009? Or, can that shit only happen to Yankees?

[AZGrizFan]

Rollins is not going to the Hall of Fame. Yes, he had two remarkable seasons, but those seasons are not reflective of his overall body of work. Plus, he has fallen off considerably in the last two seasons, after his MVP year. At this point, you have to figure his 2008 and 2009 numbers reflect what you are getting from Rollins going forward.

A very good ballplayer, but not a Hall of Famer. That's neither silly nor homerism. It's just the facts,

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree and check back on this thread in fifteen years.

Joe, i don't know that I'd be so quick to dismiss Rollins HOF potential.

Career Averages:

Rollins 109 R, 40 2B, 11 3B, 17 HR, 72 RBI, 38 SB, 188 H, .274 BA and .439 SLG
Jeter 119 R, 33 2B, 4 3B, 17 HR, 81 RBI, 23 SB, 208 H, .317 BA, and .459 SLG

Those two stat lines are NOT that far off.

[93henfan]

Probable pitching matchups:

Scenario 1 (without Cliff Lee on short rest)
Game 1 - LHP Cliff Lee at LHP C.C. Sabathia
Game 2 - RHP Pedro Martinez at RHP A.J. Burnett
Game 3 - LHP Andy Pettitte at LHP Cole Hamels
Game 4 - LHP C.C. Sabathia at RHP Joe Blanton
Game 5 - RHP A.J. Burnett at LHP Cliff Lee
Game 6 - RHP Pedro Martinez at LHP Andy Pettitte/RHP Chad Gaudin
Game 7 - LHP Cole Hamels at LHP C.C. Sabathia

Scenario 2 (with Cliff Lee on short rest)
Game 1 - LHP Cliff Lee at LHP C.C. Sabathia
Game 2 - RHP Pedro Martinez at RHP A.J. Burnett
Game 3 - LHP Andy Pettitte at LHP Cole Hamels
Game 4 - LHP C.C. Sabathia at LHP Cliff Lee
Game 5 - RHP A.J. Burnett at RHP Joe Blanton
Game 6 - RHP Pedro Martinez at LHP Andy Pettitte/RHP Chad Gaudin
Game 7 - LHP Cliff Lee at LHP C.C. Sabathia

[JoltinJoe]

Rollins is not going to the Hall of Fame. Yes, he had two remarkable seasons, but those seasons are not reflective of his overall body of work. Plus, he has fallen off considerably in the last two seasons, after his MVP year. At this point, you have to figure his 2008 and 2009 numbers reflect what you are getting from Rollins going forward.
A very good ballplayer, but not a Hall of Famer. That's neither silly nor homerism. It's just the facts,

Really? Did you think that Jeter's 3-year decline in 06/07/08 reflected "what you are getting from him going forward"? And then he breaks out with 2009? Or, can that **** only happen to Yankees?

Not that I need your approval or anything, but WTF are you talking about? Jeter has had at least 200 hits in four of his last five seasons, and has hit at least .300 in each of the last five seasons, including .343. (2006); .322 (2007); and .334 (2009). His worst season was 2008 when he hit exactly .300.

I don't see a downward trend at all prior to this year.

[AZGrizFan]

Not that I need your approval or anything, but WTF are you talking about? Jeter has had at least 200 hits in four of his last five seasons, and has hit at least .300 in each of the last five seasons, including .343. (2006); .322 (2007); and .334 (2009). His worst season was 2008 when he hit exactly .300.

I don't see a downward trend at all prior to this year.

The master of spin is at it again: Try and stay with me here, Joe. I'm going to post 2006/2007/2008 in THAT order:

Runs: 118/102/88
Hits: 214/206/179
HR: 14/12/11
RBI: 97/73/69
SB: 34/15/11
BA: .343/.322/.300
OBP: .417/.388/.363
SLG: .483/.452/.408
OPS: .900/.840/.771


Yep. NO DISCERNABLE TREND THERE, RIGHT?

every single meaningful statistic he declined for three consecutive years. If you'd like to retract your last statement, I'll allow it.