Yankees/Phillies World Series....

[Gil Dobie]

Now the Yankme fans will talk.


Bout that year after year of 200M plus payroll brings home a **** title.

It's called Professional Baseball.

[93henfan]

Now the Yankme fans will talk.


Bout that year after year of 200M plus payroll brings home a fucking title.

Like I've said to a few others. Last time I checked, the money doesn't win the games. I don't see players walking around the field with their checkbooks out, or reminiscing about last month's paycheck.

You're joking, right? What other team in baseball can afford to sign A-Rod, Teixeira, Damon, Matsui, Sabathia, Burnett, and Pettitte for an encore, all while throwing the money out to keep Jeter and Rivera happy for 15 seasons. Quite simply, no other team has that kind of purchasing power. Sure, the money doesn't walk out to the plate to take swings, but it sure stacks the lineup.

Baseball's rules allow such inequity, so there's no use in bitching about it, but to say that money doesn't win games is naivety bordering on stupidity. The Yankee payroll is $90 million more a year than the Phils. That's four A-Rods; obviously a huge advantage. Money does in fact buy championships in baseball. It's just a fact of life.

[Willie]

Like I've said to a few others. Last time I checked, the money doesn't win the games. I don't see players walking around the field with their checkbooks out, or reminiscing about last month's paycheck.

You're joking, right(1)? What other team in baseball can afford to sign A-Rod, Teixeira, Damon, Matsui, Sabathia, Burnett, and Pettitte for an encore, all while throwing the money out to keep Jeter and Rivera happy for 15 seasons.(2) Quite simply, no other team has that kind of purchasing power. Sure, the money doesn't walk out to the plate to take swings, but it sure stacks the lineup.(3)

Baseball's rules allow such inequity, so there's no use in bitching about it, but to say that money doesn't win games is naivety bordering on stupidity. The Yankee payroll is $90 million more a year than the Phils. That's four A-Rods; obviously a huge advantage. Money does in fact buy championships in baseball. It's just a fact of life.(4)

1. No
2. Minnesota has the most money in baseball, not NY
3. See no. 2
4. When a $100 bill can hit 30 HRs, knock in 100+ RBIs and steal 20 bases, I'll believe your statement.

[Gil Dobie]

Baseball's rules allow such inequity, so there's no use in bitching about it, but to say that money doesn't win games is naivety bordering on stupidity. The Yankee payroll is $90 million more a year than the Phils. That's four A-Rods; obviously a huge advantage. Money does in fact buy championships in baseball. It's just a fact of life.

It's been how many years since 2000, and the Yankees haven't won yet. This topic seems to come up when the Yankees win. All that money spent and this is the first possible title since 2000. Just curious, how much higher was the Phillies payroll last year than the Yankees.

2001 Arizona Diamondbacks
2002 Anaheim Angels
2003 Florida Marlins
2004 Boston Red Sox
2005 Chicago White Sox
2006 St. Louis Cardinals
2007 Boston Red Sox
2008 Philadelphia Phillies

[JMU DJ]

You're joking, right(1)? What other team in baseball can afford to sign A-Rod, Teixeira, Damon, Matsui, Sabathia, Burnett, and Pettitte for an encore, all while throwing the money out to keep Jeter and Rivera happy for 15 seasons.(2) Quite simply, no other team has that kind of purchasing power. Sure, the money doesn't walk out to the plate to take swings, but it sure stacks the lineup.(3)

Baseball's rules allow such inequity, so there's no use in bitching about it, but to say that money doesn't win games is naivety bordering on stupidity. The Yankee payroll is $90 million more a year than the Phils. That's four A-Rods; obviously a huge advantage. Money does in fact buy championships in baseball. It's just a fact of life.(4)

1. No
2. Minnesota has the most money in baseball, not NY
3. See no. 2
4. When a $100 bill can hit 30 HRs, knock in 100+ RBIs and steal 20 bases, I'll believe your statement.

Twins may have the most money, but they don't shell it out on their players (besides, where are you getting this stat? I can't find it). Asking if a inanimate object can hit home runs is a stupid argument. The Yankees spend money to bring in the "best" talent. $200 million dollars will get you a lot of players who can play the game of baseball well. If you can't see that the money spent translates into a roster with tons of talent, then you are just a blind homer (but we already knew that as we aren't allowed to smack talk the yanks on this board ).



When I heard Lidge was coming in last night, I had a feeling that the game was over. What a mess


EDIT: Found a list from 2008. Guess who's on top? I'm not surprised as they have the largest fan base in the world. http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/33/biz ... _Rank.html

... all I'll say is the Twins are right where I thought they'd be... in their half empty stadium.

[93henfan]

Baseball's rules allow such inequity, so there's no use in bitching about it, but to say that money doesn't win games is naivety bordering on stupidity. The Yankee payroll is $90 million more a year than the Phils. That's four A-Rods; obviously a huge advantage. Money does in fact buy championships in baseball. It's just a fact of life.

It's been how many years since 2000, and the Yankees haven't won yet. This topic seems to come up when the Yankees win. All that money spent and this is the first possible title since 2000. Just curious, how much higher was the Phillies payroll last year than the Yankees.

2001 Arizona Diamondbacks
2002 Anaheim Angels
2003 Florida Marlins
2004 Boston Red Sox
2005 Chicago White Sox
2006 St. Louis Cardinals
2007 Boston Red Sox
2008 Philadelphia Phillies

Thanks for illustrating my point perfectly.

Of the teams you just listed, only two (AZ and FLA) are in the bottom half of baseball's payrolls. Money wins championships, including the Phils last year. They just happened to run into a team with an even more inflated payroll than their own, by a long shot, this year. Like I said earlier, it's all within the rules, so there's no use in bitching about it. If baseball doesn't care that the Yankees have at least double the payroll of 22 other teams, why should we care?

And Willie, please put down the crackpipe. Twins with the most money?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?sec ... id=4054660

[Willie]

That's the payrolls genuis. The Twins owner, has the most money in baseball. By a LOT. I wasn't talking about the stupid payrolls. Twins have the money, they don't spend it.

[JMU DJ]

That's the payrolls genuis. The Twins owner, has the most money in baseball. By a LOT. I wasn't talking about the stupid payrolls. Twins have the money, they don't spend it.

Did you even check the link I posted about the most "profitable" teams in baseball?

[93henfan]

That's the payrolls genuis. The Twins owner, has the most money in baseball. By a LOT. I wasn't talking about the stupid payrolls. Twins have the money, they don't spend it.

Twins owner is worth more than Steinbrenner? The Tribune group in Chicago? Possibly.

At any rate, this is a sidebar discussion. The fact is that the Twins have one of the lowest payrolls, and the point was that payrolls win championships, which has been well supported in this thread.

[wideright82]

That's the payrolls genuis. The Twins owner, has the most money in baseball. By a LOT. I wasn't talking about the stupid payrolls. Twins have the money, they don't spend it.

Twins owner is worth more than Steinbrenner? The Tribune group in Chicago? Possibly.

At any rate, this is a sidebar discussion. The fact is that the Twins have one of the lowest payrolls, and the point was that payrolls win championships, which has been well supported in this thread.

I don't disagree. I will never disagree. I can't disagree.

The argument that the Yankees buy their championships is an uneducated arguemtn. Of course, every team BUYS their championship, these teams are businesses. I would hope, unless you are the buccos, you do everything in your power to win championships. Its the reason the Phils have cliff lee on their team right now. It's the reason most teams have marquee players. Do the Yanks have more? Sure they do. Do we always win? No. Do we have a better chance than most (all, even)? Yes. Doesn't change anything, just gives people a reason to bash the yankees when they don't win and an excuse when they do.



Good luck tonight Phils, I hope Cliff Lee dies.

[AZGrizFan]

To watch Yankmee fans try to deny the "money" argument is priceless.

[93henfan]

Live video from Phils' locker room:

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[Ivytalk]

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It's Jayson Blutarski!

[JoltinJoe]

[Twins may have the most money, but they don't shell it out on their players (besides, where are you getting this stat?

The Twins' ownership, which had been headed by Carl Pohlad (who died earlier this year) is by far the richest ownership group in baseball. The Steibrenners would be servants in Pohlad's home. They have a fraction of the overall net wealth possessed by the Pohlads.

The difference is that the Steinbrenners take the revenues they make from the Yankees, and re-invest that money into the team. By doing so, they have greatly expanded the Yankees' revenues and overall value of the franchise during their 37 years as the ownership group.

The Pohlads could do this too; they have a great and devoted fan base, and the money they invested into the team would no doubt expand their fan base, revenues, etc. They choose not to. Instead when baseball was offering $250 million to contract franchises some years back, the Pohlads stepped up to take the money.

[JMU DJ]

[Twins may have the most money, but they don't shell it out on their players (besides, where are you getting this stat?

The Twins' ownership, which had been headed by Carl Pohlad (who died earlier this year) is by far the richest ownership group in baseball. The Steibrenners would be servants in Pohlad's home. They have a fraction of the overall net wealth possessed by the Pohlads.

The difference is that the Steinbrenners take the revenues they make from the Yankees, and re-invest that money into the team. By doing so, they have greatly expanded the Yankees' revenues and overall value of the franchise during their 37 years as the ownership group.

The Pohlads could do this too; they have a great and devoted fan base, and the money they invested into the team would no doubt expand their fan base, revenues, etc. They choose not to. Instead when baseball was offering $250 million to contract franchises some years back, the Pohlads stepped up to take the money.

Exactly the point that I think everyone is making here. Twins may have the money, but they aren't using it while the Yankees are attempting to use their money to put together the best team they can. The Yankees may not win the world series every year, but they have had the best shot of any team over the past decade. What other team makes the playoffs as consistently as the Yanks? I think where the criticism comes in is when a team with a lower salary beats out the Yanks, or when they don't make the playoffs and teams like the Marlins/Rays make it all the way to the series. It becomes an issue of was it all really worth it to consistently make the playoffs but end up the bridesmaid again? This is probably the best Yankees team I've seen in a while, top to bottom. It seems they finally got it right and stopped adding players who had peaked already... and got a solid bull pen to boot.

[wideright82]

The Twins' ownership, which had been headed by Carl Pohlad (who died earlier this year) is by far the richest ownership group in baseball. The Steibrenners would be servants in Pohlad's home. They have a fraction of the overall net wealth possessed by the Pohlads.

The difference is that the Steinbrenners take the revenues they make from the Yankees, and re-invest that money into the team. By doing so, they have greatly expanded the Yankees' revenues and overall value of the franchise during their 37 years as the ownership group.

The Pohlads could do this too; they have a great and devoted fan base, and the money they invested into the team would no doubt expand their fan base, revenues, etc. They choose not to. Instead when baseball was offering $250 million to contract franchises some years back, the Pohlads stepped up to take the money.

Exactly the point that I think everyone is making here. Twins may have the money, but they aren't using it while the Yankees are attempting to use their money to put together the best team they can. The Yankees may not win the world series every year, but they have had the best shot of any team over the past decade. What other team makes the playoffs as consistently as the Yanks? I think where the criticism comes in is when a team with a lower salary beats out the Yanks, or when they don't make the playoffs and teams like the Marlins/Rays make it all the way to the series. It becomes an issue of was it all really worth it to consistently make the playoffs but end up the bridesmaid again? This is probably the best Yankees team I've seen in a while, top to bottom. It seems they finally got it right and stopped adding players who had peaked already... and got a solid bull pen to boot.

Yeah, so the Yankees are better than everyone. I don't see why it took 13 pages to get you all to agree with Joe, Willie, and myself, but I'm glad it finally happened.

[93henfan]

[Twins may have the most money, but they don't shell it out on their players (besides, where are you getting this stat?

The Twins' ownership, which had been headed by Carl Pohlad (who died earlier this year) is by far the richest ownership group in baseball. The Steibrenners would be servants in Pohlad's home. They have a fraction of the overall net wealth possessed by the Pohlads.

The difference is that the Steinbrenners take the revenues they make from the Yankees, and re-invest that money into the team. By doing so, they have greatly expanded the Yankees' revenues and overall value of the franchise during their 37 years as the ownership group.

The Pohlads could do this too; they have a great and devoted fan base, and the money they invested into the team would no doubt expand their fan base, revenues, etc. They choose not to. Instead when baseball was offering $250 million to contract franchises some years back, the Pohlads stepped up to take the money.

Valid points, but the Twins operating budget doesn't come anywhere close to the Yanks, and that's where the long term ability to throw money at players comes from.

New York TV money is simply gargantuan. Just look at the Mets. They have an utterly clueless front office that keeps throwing bad money after bad money. You have to give the Yanks credit for at least turning their wheelbarrows of cash into several championships a decade ago and perhaps another this season.

[JMU DJ]

Yeah, so the Yankees are better than everyone. I don't see why it took 13 pages to get you all to agree with Joe, Willie, and myself, but I'm glad it finally happened.

If you notice Shelly, I've never said the Yankees are bad....
































.....I've just never said they are good until this moment.

[Willie]

2 out RBI double by A-Rod.

1-0 Yankees.

[Grizalltheway]

3-1 Phils.

[spelunker]

Thank god for Monday Night Football.

[93henfan]

Thank god for Monday Night Football.

NFC South? I think I'd rather watch the UFL.

[93henfan]

Burnett gone after 2+. 6 ER, 4 BB. Completely ineffective.

Nice move pitching that guy on three days rest there Girardi.

[Willie]

Burnett gone after 2+. 6 ER, 4 BB. Completely ineffective.

Nice move pitching that guy on three days rest there Girardi.

Yeah I had a bad feeling about that all damn day. Oh well, if we end up losing this one, we can win it in front of the NY fans.

[BlueHen86]

The Yankees are in a position to spend more money, and still turn a profit, than any other team in MLB. That is not their fault, it's what they get for being in a large market and having a great fan following. Every other team would love to be in the Yankees position.

But...only a complete idiot would try and argue that the money doesn't give the Yankees a competitive edge. The money doesn't guarantee a championship, but it helps keep the Yankees in the mix every year.