Global Warming Scientist Emails Hacked

[travelinman67]

Until recently (on this board) I was unaware that Global Climate change - which is a term created by Conservative employed spin artists not liberals as implied on this thread

Horsecrap, Hippie!

Adopting the term "Climate Change" in lieu of "Global Warming" was a conscious Alarmist marketing decision by the folks at Center for American Progress's, more specifically, their Senior fellow Joe Romm during the middle of August 2007, after receiving brief drafts of IPCC Assessment report 4 and being "counseled" by Hanson, Mann, and other scientists at Goddard Space center, who had finalized their review of the most recent (2005) datasets from NASA's Aqua Satellite...

Spoiler: show

Aqua carries six instruments for studies of water on the earth's surface and in the atmosphere:

AMSR-E — Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer-EOS — measures cloud properties, sea surface temperature, near-surface wind speed, radiative energy flux, surface water, ice and snow. Furnished by the National Space Development Agency of Japan.
MODIS — Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer, also measures cloud properties and radiative energy flux, also aerosol properties; land cover and land use change, fires and volcanos. This instrument is also aboard Terra.
AMSU-A — Advanced Microwave Sounding Unit — measures atmospheric temperature and humidity.
AIRS — Atmospheric Infrared Sounder — measures atmospheric temperature and humidity, land and sea surface temperatures.
HSB — Humidity Sounder for Brazil — VHF band equipment measuring atmospheric humidity. Furnished by Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais of Brazil. The HSB instrument has been in survival mode since 2/5/2003.
CERES — Clouds and the Earth's Radiant Energy System, Flying Models 3 and 4, measure broadband radiative energy flux.

...the IPCC realized they could no longer REASONABLY declare that the hockey stick models could support the global temperature patterns of the previous 8 years...sooo...et voila, overnight, the conspiratorial climate Alarmists rendered unto Joe Romm and switched the tag line from "Global Warming" to "Climate Change".

Some more background on the Aqua project and the dataset interpretations...
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/5693

Read, learn:
http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/03/ ... imate.html
...this one is the clincher. Note, that the dateline in March of 2008. I specifically recall the release of the second dataset in June 2007, which had been found to be redacted by Goddard, and the battle to force NASA into releasing the raw data...which did not finally take place until March 2008. Anyway, the "findings" from the Aqua project were known by the liars Mann & Associates as early as spring 2007, hence, CAP had been tipped off leading up to the decision.

How do I know this?

Obviously, I have a fixation with this subject, and furthermore, obsessively monitor creeps like Joe Romm and anti-liberty organizations like CAP. Secondly, I VIVIDLY remember the day in August 2007 when I was surfing the web and network news, and noted that simultaneously ALL the MSM professers of AGW had dropped using the term "Global Warming" and began using "Climate Change" (...a vivid recollection of my pouring over blogs, Media Matters, Dem Underground, and other ideologic "rallying" organizations, noting that EVEN THE IDEOLOGUES had mysteriously stopped using the term "Global Warming".)

I'm a Liberal and I have no doubt that Scientists and researchers are encouraged and frequently make money when promoting global climate change as a reversible human condition inflicted on planet earth...

Why is there a Conservative vs. Liberal thread tone..?
I know all kinds of Liberals who feel the same way I do on this issue...

LIBERALS have used the premise of Anthropogenic Global Warming, and now, Anthropogenic Climate Change, as the political tool to take away liberties, expand government, restrict communal growth, and destroy industrial economies...

...under the "feel good" guise of protecting the environment.

And YOU KNOW THAT!!!

"Come clean, Hippie! Come on down and give your life to Christ of progress!! In the Temple of Industry!! Ask for him to come into your life. All you need to do is ask, and he will be there for you. Hallelujah!! Join me, brothers and sisters, in welcoming our new brother, Hippie. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Hallelujah!!!"

[SeattleGriz]

There is good and bad on both sides of the Global climate issue - and it's certainly not a liberals vs. republicans issue in any way... Much more research needs to be done of the planet and it's ever changing climate - we may learn how to alter an ice age from the research - who knows...We may learn who stole my cheese... Pink buffalo's could fly out of T-mans ass... nobody knows...

Even though key figures in politics have worked hard to make it simple - to make it black and white - it's really not that simple

The really sad part, is most who really understand what it is about realize, see the people lining up to get a chunk of the cash cow.

Its too bad, because if the proponents would have said from the start that they aren't so sure and didn't try to slap another tax on us, they would have gotten a lot more followers.

But doing the right thing doesn't matter, they want the money! Bring out the taxes!!!

[Chizzang]

Some of your best work T-man..!!!
I'll find the article where the Republican spin artists actually takes credit for the term Climate change - he put it in a Bush speech in 2000 for it's first appearance ever... (try to trust me on this one) Exxon Mobile hated the term Global Warming...

To a larger degree than you can stand - we're on the same side on this...
And more people than you realize are not doing anything - NOTHING - just don't believe AL Gore

How do I know this: They have changed nothing about the way they live... they just nod their head say "sure whatever" and keep on doing what they've done their entire lives... In a truly passive aggressive Liberal manner - if they disagree they don't march on Washington, they simply nod, smile and ignore...

Very similar to Gay Rights... HUGE percentages of Americans have "no opinion" on Gay rights, they simply smile nod their head and then move along with their lives and IGNORE the movement...

POINT: So just because liberals aren't marching on Washington like tea party dingbats or Gay HATERS does not mean they are "falling in line" as you imply... they are continuing to buy F-150 V-8's a record speed and changing nothing about their life style... They are making their voices head not by screaming from the roof top like a Bible thumping hate monger... but simply letting their actions speak for them instead...

think about it... exhale (breathe) relax... More people than you can imagine have taken a stand by changing not one thing about their daily life...

[travelinman67]

Climate change: this is the worst scientific scandal of our generation
Our hopelessly compromised scientific establishment cannot be allowed to get away with the Climategate whitewash, says Christopher Booker.

By Christopher Booker
28 Nov 2009

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... ation.html

A week after my colleague James Delingpole, on his Telegraph blog, coined the term "Climategate" to describe the scandal revealed by the leaked emails from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit, Google was showing that the word now appears across the internet more than nine million times. But in all these acres of electronic coverage, one hugely relevant point about these thousands of documents has largely been missed.

The reason why even the Guardian's George Monbiot has expressed total shock and dismay at the picture revealed by the documents is that their authors are not just any old bunch of academics. Their importance cannot be overestimated, What we are looking at here is the small group of scientists who have for years been more influential in driving the worldwide alarm over global warming than any others, not least through the role they play at the heart of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).

Climate emails sweep America Professor Philip Jones, the CRU's director, is in charge of the two key sets of data used by the IPCC to draw up its reports. Through its link to the Hadley Centre, part of the UK Met Office, which selects most of the IPCC's key scientific contributors, his global temperature record is the most important of the four sets of temperature data on which the IPCC and governments rely – not least for their predictions that the world will warm to catastrophic levels unless trillions of dollars are spent to avert it.

Dr Jones is also a key part of the closely knit group of American and British scientists responsible for promoting that picture of world temperatures conveyed by Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph which 10 years ago turned climate history on its head by showing that, after 1,000 years of decline, global temperatures have recently shot up to their highest level in recorded history.

Given star billing by the IPCC, not least for the way it appeared to eliminate the long-accepted Mediaeval Warm Period when temperatures were higher they are today, the graph became the central icon of the entire man-made global warming movement.

Since 2003, however, when the statistical methods used to create the "hockey stick" were first exposed as fundamentally flawed by an expert Canadian statistician Steve McIntyre, an increasingly heated battle has been raging between Mann's supporters, calling themselves "the Hockey Team", and McIntyre and his own allies, as they have ever more devastatingly called into question the entire statistical basis on which the IPCC and CRU construct their case.

The senders and recipients of the leaked CRU emails constitute a cast list of the IPCC's scientific elite, including not just the "Hockey Team", such as Dr Mann himself, Dr Jones and his CRU colleague Keith Briffa, but Ben Santer, responsible for a highly controversial rewriting of key passages in the IPCC's 1995 report; Kevin Trenberth, who similarly controversially pushed the IPCC into scaremongering over hurricane activity; and Gavin Schmidt, right-hand man to Al Gore's ally Dr James Hansen, whose own GISS record of surface temperature data is second in importance only to that of the CRU itself.

There are three threads in particular in the leaked documents which have sent a shock wave through informed observers across the world. Perhaps the most obvious, as lucidly put together by Willis Eschenbach (see McIntyre's blog Climate Audit and Anthony Watt's blog Watts Up With That), is the highly disturbing series of emails which show how Dr Jones and his colleagues have for years been discussing the devious tactics whereby they could avoid releasing their data to outsiders under freedom of information laws.

They have come up with every possible excuse for concealing the background data on which their findings and temperature records were based.

This in itself has become a major scandal, not least Dr Jones's refusal to release the basic data from which the CRU derives its hugely influential temperature record, which culminated last summer in his startling claim that much of the data from all over the world had simply got "lost". Most incriminating of all are the emails in which scientists are advised to delete large chunks of data, which, when this is done after receipt of a freedom of information request, is a criminal offence.

But the question which inevitably arises from this systematic refusal to release their data is – what is it that these scientists seem so anxious to hide? The second and most shocking revelation of the leaked documents is how they show the scientists trying to manipulate data through their tortuous computer programmes, always to point in only the one desired direction – to lower past temperatures and to "adjust" recent temperatures upwards, in order to convey the impression of an accelerated warming. This comes up so often (not least in the documents relating to computer data in the Harry Read Me file) that it becomes the most disturbing single element of the entire story. This is what Mr McIntyre caught Dr Hansen doing with his GISS temperature record last year (after which Hansen was forced to revise his record), and two further shocking examples have now come to light from Australia and New Zealand.

In each of these countries it has been possible for local scientists to compare the official temperature record with the original data on which it was supposedly based. In each case it is clear that the same trick has been played – to turn an essentially flat temperature chart into a graph which shows temperatures steadily rising. And in each case this manipulation was carried out under the influence of the CRU.

What is tragically evident from the Harry Read Me file is the picture it gives of the CRU scientists hopelessly at sea with the complex computer programmes they had devised to contort their data in the approved direction, more than once expressing their own desperation at how difficult it was to get the desired results.

The third shocking revelation of these documents is the ruthless way in which these academics have been determined to silence any expert questioning of the findings they have arrived at by such dubious methods – not just by refusing to disclose their basic data but by discrediting and freezing out any scientific journal which dares to publish their critics' work. It seems they are prepared to stop at nothing to stifle scientific debate in this way, not least by ensuring that no dissenting research should find its way into the pages of IPCC reports.

Back in 2006, when the eminent US statistician Professor Edward Wegman produced an expert report for the US Congress vindicating Steve McIntyre's demolition of the "hockey stick", he excoriated the way in which this same "tightly knit group" of academics seemed only too keen to collaborate with each other and to "peer review" each other's papers in order to dominate the findings of those IPCC reports on which much of the future of the US and world economy may hang. In light of the latest revelations, it now seems even more evident that these men have been failing to uphold those principles which lie at the heart of genuine scientific enquiry and debate. Already one respected US climate scientist, Dr Eduardo Zorita, has called for Dr Mann and Dr Jones to be barred from any further participation in the IPCC. Even our own George Monbiot, horrified at finding how he has been betrayed by the supposed experts he has been revering and citing for so long, has called for Dr Jones to step down as head of the CRU.
The former Chancellor Lord (Nigel) Lawson, last week launching his new think tank, the Global Warming Policy Foundation, rightly called for a proper independent inquiry into the maze of skulduggery revealed by the CRU leaks. But the inquiry mooted on Friday, possibly to be chaired by Lord Rees, President of the Royal Society – itself long a shameless propagandist for the warmist cause – is far from being what Lord Lawson had in mind. Our hopelessly compromised scientific establishment cannot be allowed to get away with a whitewash of what has become the greatest scientific scandal of our age.

[Chizzang]

Hey... Could you give me the 3 minute version of that book..?

[native]

Until recently (on this board) I was unaware that Global Climate change - which is a term created by Conservative employed spin artists not liberals as implied on this thread

Horsecrap, Hippie!

Adopting the term "Climate Change" in lieu of "Global Warming" was a conscious Alarmist marketing decision by the folks at Center for American Progress's ...

Of course you are correct as usual on all points of substance, T-Man, but calling Cleets a "hippie?"

I understand the derogatory sentiment, but Cleets is not old enough to be a hippie. He's just a well educated, snotty-nosed kid.

[slycat]

Sweet this will help justify pollution. I'll start burning trash in my backyard.

[native]

Sweet this will help justify pollution. I'll start burning trash in my backyard.

Note that it is the typically libertine, irresponsible and hysterical left wing lunatics - not the conks - who want to use the scandal as an excuse to pollute.

[CID1990]

No amount of expose' or screwups by climate change 'scientists' is going to stop this juggernaut. Our President will be wiping EU schmegma off his chin in a couple weeks after Copenhagen and we are going to bow down to all the preliminary demands of the climater changers in the interest of having our allies "like us" again.

Bank on it.

[slycat]

Sweet this will help justify pollution. I'll start burning trash in my backyard.

Note that it is the typically libertine, irresponsible and hysterical left wing lunatics - not the conks - who want to use the scandal as an excuse to pollute.

Thats the crazy world of politics. All about the bottom dollar and how much power you can have.

[kalm]

Yes, this is clearly a giant conspiracy because we all know how unified scientists can be about complex, inconclusive theories. It's the evil 100k/year guys who are trying to screw us of our liberties.

[Chizzang]

I understand the derogatory sentiment, but Cleets is not old enough to be a hippie. He's just a well educated, snotty-nosed kid.

You forgot "elitist" and "commie"...

[travelinman67]

Hey... Could you give me the 3 minute version of that book..?

There are no Cliff Notes for the truth, however, you can ask me directly: I'm always correct.



Seriously though, Hippie...

...isn't the dumbing down of America what laid the foundation for a scam of this magnitude?

Our national work ethic microwaved into putrified adipose. Media facilitated autolytic dissolution of intellectual curiousity; a regulatory centric government ignorantly burying the industrious to ensure their demise.

And those with the courage to fight...

...rather than heralded (minimally) as Quixotic...

...are berated and even labeled lunatics.

It's not too late, but selling hope through integrity and character has become increasingly difficult, and arguably abandoned by even the few visionaries remaining.

[native]

I understand the derogatory sentiment, but Cleets is not old enough to be a hippie. He's just a well educated, snotty-nosed kid.

You forgot "elitist" and "commie"...

Elitist? Maybe just spoiled.

Commie? Probably not. Am I wrong?

[travelinman67]

Of course you are correct as usual on all points of substance, T-Man, but calling Cleets a "hippie?"

I understand the derogatory sentiment, but Cleets is not old enough to be a hippie. He's just a well educated, snotty-nosed kid.

This goes back a couple of years...




...when Cleets devolved from a pure bleeding-heart liberal, to the most benign of anti-conservatism...

...the flappy-jawed, self-hating Hippie.

[native]

...
It's not too late, but selling hope through integrity and character has become increasingly difficult, and arguably abandoned by even the few visionaries remaining.

With all due respect, T-Man...

WHAT THE FVCK DO ALMOST ALL THE LEFT WING LUNATICS AND ABOUT HALF THE SELF STYLED COWARDLY "MODERATES" ON THIS BOARD KNOW ABOUT INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER?!???

[slycat]

And whats the big deal if we got lied to about global warming?

How is living a more energy efficient life style not better?

And now I'll stereotype for a moment......Seeing that most people who drive gas guzzlers and don't care about energy conservation are good old boy conservatives. Now aren't they the group that hates Muslims more then anyone? So why are they so for keeping vehicles that get 10 mph and have to depend on the Middle East for oil? You would think they would be the first to want to cut ties with the sand people and find alternatives that don't depend on them.

Of course the response will be that the is plenty of oil here in Alaska and the oil shale that if the hippies would just let us tap into it we wouldn't have to depend on the Arabs. But we can get that at what cost? The destruction of Americas great wilderness.

I say bring on nuclear energy and such.

[clenz]

And whats the big deal if we got lied to about global warming?

How is living a more energy efficient life style not better?

And now I'll stereotype for a moment......Seeing that most people who drive gas guzzlers and don't care about energy conservation are good old boy conservatives. Now aren't they the group that hates Muslims more then anyone? So why are they so for keeping vehicles that get 10 mph and have to depend on the Middle East for oil? You would think they would be the first to want to cut ties with the sand people and find alternatives that don't depend on them.

Of course the response will be that the is plenty of oil here in Alaska and the oil shale that if the hippies would just let us tap into it we wouldn't have to depend on the Arabs. But we can get that at what cost? The destruction of Americas great wilderness.

I say bring on nuclear energy and such.

I'll bite on this one....


Is living more efficiently bad? Of course not. However, getting people to do so by falsely scaring the shit out of them about destroying things they aren't isn't the way to go about it. I'm with T-man on most of his anti-global warming stuff, but I try to live conservatively because of the cost benefits. IMHO this would be a better way to get people to change their lifestyle, especially now. If you will notice a lot of the commercials for energy efficient things are no longer focused on global warming, because people don't give a shit anymore (outside of those profiting from it in someway) They now promote the cost savings of it, and if it helps the environment also that is just a bonus to most everyone and everything.


Also, as for the great, beautiful wilderness that will be destroyed here is a website about that. http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/a/anwar.htm I'm sure someone (cleets) will rip it apart and what not, but it is worth a read. There is plenty of oil here to use, and don't buy the it will take 20 years and billions of dollars and kill all the animals bull shit.

[clenz]

Interesting video I stumbled upon that shows something I would have never thought of. The video, short and soundless, shows a thermal image of the sun from 96-2001, I believe, and shows that the sun is shining brighter and hotter than it has in the past. Maybe since the sun heats the Earth the temperature of the sun affects the Earth's temperature...you know...common sense

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

And whats the big deal if we got lied to about global warming?

How is living a more energy efficient life style not better?

Sly, how can you ask this? We got lied to about the causes of GW to come up with more money for the cause which in turn causes more influence over our freedoms and the freedoms to spend YOUR money on anything you see fit. Using manufactured fear in an attempt to gain control over massive portions of the population is as wrong as it gets. This is about integrity and if we are granting these people money via our government then shouldn't they be held to a level of truthfulness that we look to achieve in the places we spend the rest of our money?

If we were lied to by our government and military should we not have Iran contra put up for discussion because..."ah what the hell, it was good for us anyway."

The problem as I see it is that I would like to have the option on my own terms to decide that I don't want to be wasteful. A lot of people are like that. Why do we need to be lied to by a group of dickheads so that they can make us feel guilty enough to vote ourselves into further servitude to the governments and the main point is that the money they take for this lie is not going to make a difference anyway.

It would be a whole lot more virtuous to tell us how conserving can be done easily and save the individual money than to lie and take the money and give it to faulty science to perpetuate more swiping in the future based on the lies.

And now I'll stereotype for a moment......Seeing that most people who drive gas guzzlers and don't care about energy conservation are good old boy conservatives. Now aren't they the group that hates Muslims more then anyone? So why are they so for keeping vehicles that get 10 mph and have to depend on the Middle East for oil? You would think they would be the first to want to cut ties with the sand people and find alternatives that don't depend on them.

I can't go with ya here sly cuz frankly you were either being silly or I just refuse to accept your view of the connection.

Of course the response will be that the is plenty of oil here in Alaska and the oil shale that if the hippies would just let us tap into it we wouldn't have to depend on the Arabs. But we can get that at what cost? The destruction of Americas great wilderness.

I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone in the general population that doesn't agree with this. The fact is that the "hippies" are every bit as big of liars as the corporate fucks are when it comes to the over dramatization of what we could be doing to get oil cleanly out of the ground. I have many relatives with farms or mineral rights on the Bakken shelf and there are oil derricks all over on their properties and it is always a clean, well kept site and although it might bother some naturists to see a derrick on rolling farm land the relatives don't seem to be bothered at all. It's actually kind of cool to see them working. It isn't the problem that it is made out to be by some. There was a low producer on my grandpa's old farm so once they capped and took all the equipment away you know what's left? Nothing. I've walked by it since I was a kid and the well on his property for water is noticeable, the oil well was not.

It should not be shunned but should be used to as a bridge to getting to other forms of clean energy which will take a while to achieve.

I say bring on nuclear energy and such.

Totally agree with ya.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Interesting video I stumbled upon that shows something I would have never thought of. The video, short and soundless, shows a thermal image of the sun from 96-2001, I believe, and shows that the sun is shining brighter and hotter than it has in the past. Maybe since the sun heats the Earth the temperature of the sun affects the Earth's temperature...you know...common sense

I watched a 2 hr. program on this about a year ago and the sun goes through these periods where it burns hotter and brighter for many years and then cools back to normal. That was the crux of the show is that the warming is probably more related to this than anything else. When it decides to really have a party then it's all over for us of course. The fact of the matter is that there is nothing we are doing that is causing this unless we've been doing it for millions of years.

[AZGrizFan]

And now I'll stereotype for a moment......Seeing that most people who drive gas guzzlers and don't care about energy conservation are good old boy conservatives. Now aren't they the group that hates Muslims more then anyone? So why are they so for keeping vehicles that get 10 mph and have to depend on the Middle East for oil? You would think they would be the first to want to cut ties with the sand people and find alternatives that don't depend on them.

Next time we're drinking at Hooters in Houston.....I'm gonna beat your ass for this comment.

[travelinman67]

...payback time...

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[native]

And whats the big deal if we got lied to about global warming?

How is living a more energy efficient life style not better?

And now I'll stereotype for a moment......Seeing that most people who drive gas guzzlers and don't care about energy conservation are good old boy conservatives. Now aren't they the group that hates Muslims more then anyone? So why are they so for keeping vehicles that get 10 mph and have to depend on the Middle East for oil? You would think they would be the first to want to cut ties with the sand people and find alternatives that don't depend on them.

Of course the response will be that the is plenty of oil here in Alaska and the oil shale that if the hippies would just let us tap into it we wouldn't have to depend on the Arabs. But we can get that at what cost? The destruction of the American economy and millions of jobs.

I say bring on nuclear energy and such.

FIFY!

[Appaholic]

WHAT THE FVCK DO ALMOST ALL THE LEFT WING LUNATICS AND ABOUT HALF THE SELF STYLED COWARDLY "MODERATES" ON THIS BOARD KNOW ABOUT INTEGRITY AND CHARACTER?!???

So, one can assume you only believe Conservatives/Republicans display the qualities of Integrity & Character?

However, getting people to do so by falsely scaring the shit out of them about destroying things they aren't isn't the way to go about it.

Agree...it's a good thing only hysterical little Liberals incorporate this method into policy decisions....

“We now know that Saddam [Hussein] has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons.” - Cheney
“There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.” - Cheney
"Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons." - GW Bush
"Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly." - A. Fleisher
"We still need to find and secure Iraq's weapons of mass destruction facilities and secure Iraq's borders so we can prevent the flow of weapons of mass destruction materials and senior regime officials out of the country." - D.Rumsfeld
"The premise of the war was ... all of the dots added up to a program and to weapons and a weapons program that was dangerous and getting more so." - C.Rice
"We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories. You remember when Colin Powell stood up in front of the world, and he said, Iraq has got laboratories, mobile labs to build biological weapons. They're illegal. They're against the United Nations resolutions, and we've so far discovered two. And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." - GWBush
Cheney: WMD or not, Iraq invasion was correct
Vice president says ‘we would do exactly the same thing’ regardless of intel

Native?