Quick Question About Montana?

[NuclearGRIZ]

I remember the dark days of Larry Donovan and his wishbone experiment. We played Army in the 1984 Mirage Bowl. IN JAPAN!!!! How many of the schools crying that we never leave home or play FBS can say that they played football somewhere other than North America? We lost 45-31 BTW.

[CatMom]

SFA fan, you're kind of new here and, for what it's worth, this question has been asked and argued/answered, ad nauseum.
We, in the SLC, come no where near the attendance, or success, of Montana. They also charge a bit more for their weekly (which you can rarely get) and season tickets. With the take they get from that they don't need a "money" game. FBS games are, first and foremost, money games. Would the "rest of us" like to see them take on an FBS routinely? Yes. Is it going to happen? No. Why? It's all economics. Do I understand it? Absolutely. Taking on an FBS is not a measure of how a team will or will not do the remainder of the season. It's money in the U's coffer. It's why DII teams come to 'us'. We pay them to come to us and lose - same thing.

Look at it this way..SFA lost 2 games all year and because of it has to head to that Montana that went 11-0. One of those losses was "powerhouse" SMU. Course, the other was TXST and we weren't about to lose that one at home.

[putter]

SFA fan, you're kind of new here and, for what it's worth, this question has been asked and argued/answered, ad nauseum.
We, in the SLC, come no where near the attendance, or success, of Montana. They also charge a bit more for their weekly (which you can rarely get) and season tickets. With the take they get from that they don't need a "money" game. FBS games are, first and foremost, money games. Would the "rest of us" like to see them take on an FBS routinely? Yes. Is it going to happen? No. Why? It's all economics. Do I understand it? Absolutely. Taking on an FBS is not a measure of how a team will or will not do the remainder of the season. It's money in the U's coffer. It's why DII teams come to 'us'. We pay them to come to us and lose - same thing.

Look at it this way..SFA lost 2 games all year and because of it has to head to that Montana that went 11-0. One of those losses was "powerhouse" SMU. Course, the other was TXST and we weren't about to lose that one at home.

SFA, listen to CatMom, she is very wise. What you call excuses are really just the reality of the FCS. The red highlight...SFA doesn't play up to see how it stack up against the BS teams. It does so for a paycheck, period. For the Griz to find an SMU in the West they would have to play someone like Idaho or Washington St and they won't pay them enough to not schedule sisters of the poor and get $29/seat X 25,000 people= a lot of money for the school and city of Missoula.

The Blue highlight. The answer is actually ..Yes. Montana has scheduled home&homes with McNeese St, Appalachian St and the Dakota schools so they are playing top FCS schools....

[AZGrizFan]

I remember the dark days of Larry Donovan and his wishbone experiment. We played Army in the 1984 Mirage Bowl. IN JAPAN!!!! How many of the schools crying that we never leave home or play FBS can say that they played football somewhere other than North America? We lost 45-31 BTW.

Boy, it was DIFFICULT to be a Griz fan back then....I remember ol "Student Body Right, Student Body Left, Student Body Right, Punt" Donovan.....gawd it was painful to root for them against the Vandals in the Kibble Dome...

[kemajic]

There are several good reasons why we don't want, nor have to be the sacrificial lamb as a warm up: 1. We make more money playing at home, then traveling to Oregon or Iowa to play; 2. The injuries sustained had a tremendous impact on our subsequent seasons; and 3. We are not invited very often, because the FBS schools are afraid that they could be embarrassed, ala Michigan.
It's best if they just pick your school, since you get the body bag money, and there is little or no risk that you will win.

1. is real; 2. and 3. are pure bullshit. The real one you don't mention is that we have a HC who likes his nice WL resume and wants no obstacles to a playoff seed. He has the AD and some of the lemming fans brainwashed into believing 2. is true to suport his case. It is no coincidence that we wind up with the weakest OOC possible each year with this admin. There are sufficient cupcakes within the BSC.

From 1990-2003, Montana was 19-19 against teams now FBS/BCS. We had pride in who we played back then; there can be no pride today until the playoffs. And we are sometimes poorly prepared because of the poor level of competition seen during the year.

[andy7171]

Some **** is as irrefutable as your capitalization OCD and your idiocy.

It's very distracting.

[UNC2857BEARS]

SFA fan,

I'll put it simple terms, and this is how I accept it and have it make sense in my mind....

I COULD fight Mike Tyson, Manny Pac, Brock Lesnar, but what's the point?? I know I would win and don't need the paycheck since I make $8.25 an hour. Why fight those guys when I can beat up twelve year olds and make it even more entertaining!!!

[AZGrizFan]

There are several good reasons why we don't want, nor have to be the sacrificial lamb as a warm up: 1. We make more money playing at home, then traveling to Oregon or Iowa to play; 2. The injuries sustained had a tremendous impact on our subsequent seasons; and 3. We are not invited very often, because the FBS schools are afraid that they could be embarrassed, ala Michigan.
It's best if they just pick your school, since you get the body bag money, and there is little or no risk that you will win.

1. is real; 2. and 3. are pure bullshit. The real one you don't mention is that we have a HC who likes his nice WL resume and wants no obstacles to a playoff seed. He has the AD and some of the lemming fans brainwashed into believing 2. is true to suport his case. It is no coincidence that we wind up with the weakest OOC possible each year with this admin. There are sufficient cupcakes within the BSC.

From 1990-2003, Montana was 19-19 against teams now FBS/BCS. We had pride in who we played back then; there can be no pride today until the playoffs. And we are sometimes poorly prepared because of the poor level of competition seen during the year.

Question for kemajic: If Montana replaced Western State of Co with McNeese State in this year's schedule, would you consider that a sufficient level of competition to prepare us for the playoffs?

[wideright82]

1. is real; 2. and 3. are pure bullshit. The real one you don't mention is that we have a HC who likes his nice WL resume and wants no obstacles to a playoff seed. He has the AD and some of the lemming fans brainwashed into believing 2. is true to suport his case. It is no coincidence that we wind up with the weakest OOC possible each year with this admin. There are sufficient cupcakes within the BSC.

From 1990-2003, Montana was 19-19 against teams now FBS/BCS. We had pride in who we played back then; there can be no pride today until the playoffs. And we are sometimes poorly prepared because of the poor level of competition seen during the year.

Question for kemajic: If Montana replaced Western State of Co with McNeese State in this year's schedule, would you consider that a sufficient level of competition to prepare us for the playoffs?

I would just like to not that this was not said by 89Hen or any other CAA ECB culprit!

[AZGrizFan]

Question for kemajic: If Montana replaced Western State of Co with McNeese State in this year's schedule, would you consider that a sufficient level of competition to prepare us for the playoffs?

I would just like to not that this was not said by 89Hen or any other CAA ECB culprit!

I'm just trying to figure out his logic, because 8 of the 11 games we can't do anything about, and 2 of the 3 OOC games (UC Davis and Cal Poly) most people didn't have an issue with, so it comes down to ONE FUCKING GAME we're talking about here. And, I could be wrong, but ONE GAME isn't going to make or break our preparedness for the playoffs. You could replace Western State with Southern California and we're not going to be any more prepared for the playoffs than we would be playing Western State. Me thinks kemajic's REAL issue is paying good, American money to go watch a 38-0 pasting of a school that couldn't beat the folks in Helena, let alone the Griz.

[SeattleGriz]

I would just like to not that this was not said by 89Hen or any other CAA ECB culprit!

I'm just trying to figure out his logic, because 8 of the 11 games we can't do anything about, and 2 of the 3 OOC games (UC Davis and Cal Poly) most people didn't have an issue with, so it comes down to ONE FUCKING GAME we're talking about here. And, I could be wrong, but ONE GAME isn't going to make or break our preparedness for the playoffs. You could replace Western State with Southern California and we're not going to be any more prepared for the playoffs than we would be playing Western State. Me thinks kemajic's REAL issue is paying good, American money to go watch a 38-0 pasting of a school that couldn't beat the folks in Helena, let alone the Griz.

We should have played Washington State this last year. Their only win was over SMU! Now THAT is stepping up!

[houndawg]

So I Was Looking On Montana Football Website And I Noticed They Have Not Played A FBS Football Team Since 2006 When they Lost To Iowa 41-7... Out Of Curiosity, Do Anyone Know Why They Have Not Scheduled A FBS Football Team. I Figured Most FCS Schools Try And Atleast Get One FBS School On Their Schedule. A Team Like Montana I Figured Will Always Keep One Because They Are One of The Top Teams In The FCS. What Do You Guys Think?

Yes, someone do. The reason is that the playoff selection committee will seed a weaker team with an unblemished schedule higher than a stronger team with an FBS loss. These rules are subject to change depending upon who is in the running for a seed, of course.

[clenz]

There are several good reasons why we don't want, nor have to be the sacrificial lamb as a warm up: 1. We make more money playing at home, then traveling to Oregon or Iowa to play; 2. The injuries sustained had a tremendous impact on our subsequent seasons; and 3. We are not invited very often, because the FBS schools are afraid that they could be embarrassed, ala Michigan.
It's best if they just pick your school, since you get the body bag money, and there is little or no risk that you will win.

I never have, nor will I ever buy the injury argument. It is complete horse shit, you and I both know it.

[SeattleGriz]

I would just like to not that this was not said by 89Hen or any other CAA ECB culprit!

I'm just trying to figure out his logic, because 8 of the 11 games we can't do anything about, and 2 of the 3 OOC games (UC Davis and Cal Poly) most people didn't have an issue with, so it comes down to ONE FUCKING GAME we're talking about here. And, I could be wrong, but ONE GAME isn't going to make or break our preparedness for the playoffs. You could replace Western State with Southern California and we're not going to be any more prepared for the playoffs than we would be playing Western State. Me thinks kemajic's REAL issue is paying good, American money to go watch a 38-0 pasting of a school that couldn't beat the folks in Helena, let alone the Griz.

I tried to make the point that Villanova, UNH, Richmond and William and Mary's AD's are scheduling pretty much in line with all other schools who have made the playoffs. While they did schedule and beat an FBS team earlier in the year, they were nowhere near the level of competition the Western teams are forced to choose from due to geography. I say this, because no team schedules Oregon State, Arizona State, Oklahoma, California, Michigan State, Mississippi, or Kansas because they want to "see how they compare", they schedule them because they need the money.

It's like you said AZ. We could schedule our beatable FBS game every year, but that would only be Idaho and Washington State in any sort of close proximity and good luck making money on those games. They cannot guarantee Montana 750K.

[AZGrizFan]

So I Was Looking On Montana Football Website And I Noticed They Have Not Played A FBS Football Team Since 2006 When they Lost To Iowa 41-7... Out Of Curiosity, Do Anyone Know Why They Have Not Scheduled A FBS Football Team. I Figured Most FCS Schools Try And Atleast Get One FBS School On Their Schedule. A Team Like Montana I Figured Will Always Keep One Because They Are One of The Top Teams In The FCS. What Do You Guys Think?

Yes, someone do. The reason is that the playoff selection committee will seed a weaker team with an unblemished schedule higher than a stronger team with an FBS loss. These rules are subject to change depending upon who is in the running for a seed, of course.

If you honestly believe SIU schedules FBS games because they "like the challenge", you're more delusional than previously thought. The schedule FBS games to BALANCE THE ATHLETIC BUDGET. Period. Yeah, it may affect the ultimate seeds awarded, but too bad, so sad.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

There are several good reasons why we don't want, nor have to be the sacrificial lamb as a warm up: 1. We make more money playing at home, then traveling to Oregon or Iowa to play; 2. The injuries sustained had a tremendous impact on our subsequent seasons; and 3. We are not invited very often, because the FBS schools are afraid that they could be embarrassed, ala Michigan.
It's best if they just pick your school, since you get the body bag money, and there is little or no risk that you will win.

I never have, nor will I ever buy the injury argument. It is complete horse shit, you and I both know it.

Dead on. The injury thing is just what most people believe it should be like so they think it is. I wish I could find the study on injuries playing up vs. your level vs. down one level. There was NO difference at all.

[Silenoz]

I can't believe we're taking crap from a fan of team who played (and ran the score up on) an NAIA team

Clearly our athletic department should take a lesson from SFA.... a team who schedules themselves 2 games closer to post-season elimination before the season has even started.

[putter]

I can't believe we're taking crap from a fan of team who played (and ran the score up on) an NAIA team

Clearly our athletic department should take a lesson from SFA.... a team who schedules themselves 2 games closer to post-season elimination before the season has even started.

SFA, you want to schedule up and still play NAIA, schedule Carroll College of Montana....

[clenz]

I can't believe we're taking crap from a fan of team who played (and ran the score up on) an NAIA team

Clearly our athletic department should take a lesson from SFA.... a team who schedules themselves 2 games closer to post-season elimination before the season has even started.

SFA, you want to schedule up and still play NAIA, schedule Carroll College of Montana....

Shit, even University of Sioux Falls...who beat North Dakota and won the title last year.

[griz37]

Quick question about SFA, why don't they build a real stadium instead of that dump they play in now?

[CatMom]

Dead on. The injury thing is just what most people believe it should be like so they think it is. I wish I could find the study on injuries playing up vs. your level vs. down one level. There was NO difference at all.

Agreed, we lost our star RB against a DII and one of our best WR (for 3 games) against an FBS. So, take your pick.

[SeattleGriz]

I would just like to not that this was not said by 89Hen or any other CAA ECB culprit!

I'm just trying to figure out his logic, because 8 of the 11 games we can't do anything about, and 2 of the 3 OOC games (UC Davis and Cal Poly) most people didn't have an issue with, so it comes down to ONE FUCKING GAME we're talking about here. And, I could be wrong, but ONE GAME isn't going to make or break our preparedness for the playoffs. You could replace Western State with Southern California and we're not going to be any more prepared for the playoffs than we would be playing Western State. Me thinks kemajic's REAL issue is paying good, American money to go watch a 38-0 pasting of a school that couldn't beat the folks in Helena, let alone the Griz.

I would also like to add to the current thought about why Montana doesn't schedule an FBS opponent to "test" themselves.

Just take a look at SIU. They played a winnable FBS game and lost to Marshall 31-28. It was their only loss of the year, so that left them undefeated in FCS play at 10-0. Did that cost them a #2 seed? That means they travel for the semis unless Villanova loses. That is a lost home game and all the revenue.

I don't know how much money a playoff game brings to Missoula, but it does bring in additional revenues not expected. It also sure makes the boosters happy to get 3 extra home games if so lucky. It's great for the economy and Montana's football program.

That is my point about the East teams playing smart by not playing bodybag paycheck games. If you know your attendance is not going to get you an at large, then make sure you get a seed. All the CAA teams played winnable FBS games and did just that. They won those games, boosted their chances of getting seeds and now are guaranteed playoff money they might not have even sniffed before. With the playoffs, comes all the other benefits as well. It is more than money.

I have been watching UNH beat an FBS team the last couple of years and have marveled at how they got just the right level of competition and won. Their AD understands how to position a team for the playoffs. Too bad they lose conference games and have to travel many rounds.

[SFA Fan!!!]

Cat Mom, No Disrespect but i think you for some reason dont like SFA.lol. You talked bad about us against E. Washington last week, talking about how they were going to beat us, our team isnt good etc....lol, But come on now, your excuse does not make sense either. I understand the money issue, as if FBS schools dont wont to pay Montana to come play. How can you say that when Iowa did it in 2006. Also if USC and Ohio State can play each other or TCU can play SMU or Nebraska can play virginia Tech, What makes you really think they do not or they cant afford to put that money up against Montana??? If Montana really wanted to play a FBS school im pretty sure they can. They might tell you thats its about "money" but i seriously doubt it. No Way No How! Me personally i just think they will rather not play a FBS school just because they have had success with the FCS schools. I guess everyone have the freedom to their own opinion though!

[SFA Fan!!!]

Well I Have To Agree The Stadium Might Need A Upgrade, But Aye Thats What We Have And We Are Proud Of It. The Reason Why Montana Stadium Is So Big Is Because Their Is Know FBS School In The STate Of Montana...lol, So They Can Put All Their Money Into That Stadium. Its No Problem For Them. We Have 8 or 9 FBS Schools In Texas. So Please Choose Your Words Wisely...lol

Quick question about SFA, why don't they build a real stadium instead of that dump they play in now?

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Cat Mom, No Disrespect but i think you for some reason dont like SFA.lol. You talked bad about us against E. Washington last week, talking about how they were going to beat us, our team isnt good etc....lol, But come on now, your excuse does not make sense either. I understand the money issue, as if FBS schools dont wont to pay Montana to come play. How can you say that when Iowa did it in 2006. Also if USC and Ohio State can play each other or TCU can play SMU or Nebraska can play virginia Tech, What makes you really think they do not or they cant afford to put that money up against Montana??? If Montana really wanted to play a FBS school im pretty sure they can. They might tell you thats its about "money" but i seriously doubt it. No Way No How! Me personally i just think they will rather not play a FBS school just because they have had success with the FCS schools. I guess everyone have the freedom to their own opinion though!

Everybody does have a right to their own opinions and yours is stupid.

Iowa paid us what we were worth at the time...$650,000. They could afford and did so. At this time it would cost them about 750K.

There was an article over the summer about the big teams from the FBS conferences NOT wanting to schedule teams like Richmond, Montana, and App. State because THEY didn't want to take the chance of paying good money for a loss. It was a thread started by Col. Hogan if you feel like searching for it.

Please continue with the court jester routine, it is quite comical how much you think you understand.

As an ode to Joltin Joe....



"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine ! That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers, unless your name is SFA Fan!! in which case you couldn't afford the loss in the first place!"