Catholics aint fucking around....

[travelinman67]

Give me facts, not conclusions.

Here you go:

...and did they derive their "data" from the CRU in East Anglia?








Now THAT'S funny...showing a graph from "nobeliefs.com"...

[JoltinJoe]

Don't think anyone is saying that here, it's more Joe saying the Catholics didn't do anything.

I never said that. What I have said is the accusations made against the Catholic Church, here and elsewhere, are hyperbole which greatly expand on the historical facts.

BTW, the first hospitals in Europe were establised by the Catholic Church, as were the first universities.

If you think that the modern Western university is not based on the great Jesuit universities of Europe, you are under-informed on the subject.

[JoltinJoe]

Here you go:

...and did they derive their "data" from the CRU in East Anglia?








Now THAT'S funny...showing a graph from "nobeliefs.com"...

Yea, a real informed and unbiased source.

Jeff just drinks the kool-aid as it is served over there. He's a just a sheep.

[D1B]

Here's another way catholics hide the truth: They block access to the Vatican Archives

Here they are in action:

VATICAN CITY: Five historians appointed in 1999 by the Vatican's Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews and the International Jewish Committee for Inter-religious Consultations suspended their study of the Vatican's role in the Holocaust, saying they could not proceed without access to the Vatican's full archives.

Responding to the suspension, the Vatican said the 11 volumes available contain all the relevant documents.

"Everything regarding the topic up until 1945 -- everything regarding World War II and the position of Pope Pius XII on the Jews and the Holocaust -- has already been published by the Vatican in the 11 volumes available to everyone," the Vatican press office said July 25.

The Catholic and Jewish scholars' decision to suspend their work came after they received a letter from Cardinal Walter Kasper, president of the pontifical commission, saying access to the complete archive of material from 1923 onward "is not possible at present for technical reasons."

The Vatican archives open for scholarly research run through the end of the pontificate of Pope Benedict XV, who died in 1922.

Vatican archivists currently are working on cataloguing the material from the pontificate of Pope Pius XI, who died in 1939. It is expected to take several years for them to finish and move on to materials from the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.

The press office said Vatican officials want to open all of the archives related to the wartime pope's pontificate, which ended with his death in 1958, but they must first sort through the millions of documents, catalogue them and set aside "material not pertinent to the topic" that is private or could be sensitive if the person or persons involved are still living.



Again, they control history.

[D1B]

Here you go:

...and did they derive their "data" from the CRU in East Anglia?








Now THAT'S funny...showing a graph from "nobeliefs.com"...

Uh, Tman you care to dispute it? OK, lets hear it. I'll be waiting.

[D1B]

...and did they derive their "data" from the CRU in East Anglia?








Now THAT'S funny...showing a graph from "nobeliefs.com"...

Yea, a real informed and unbiased source.

Jeff just drinks the kool-aid as it is served over there. He's a just a sheep.

Dispute it Joe. Go ahead. I'll be waiting.

[kalm]

Jefferson was an advocate of natural law, as is this Catholic Church. That's the connection I was referencing.

Kalm, you are absolutely correct. Jefferson ultimately didn't give a **** about the church. He may have held some beliefs in a creator and or referenced scripture, but he knew the dangers of the church and the absurdity of the bible.

Is there a difference between the church's natural law and Jefferson's? Didn't Jefferson re-write the bible, removing all the supernatural? Is man incapable on his own in discovering the benefits of egalitarianism?

[JoltinJoe]

Yea, a real informed and unbiased source.

Jeff just drinks the kool-aid as it is served over there. He's a just a sheep.

Dispute it Joe. Go ahead. I'll be waiting.

Support it with facts. I'll be waiting.

[D1B]

Dispute it Joe. Go ahead. I'll be waiting.

Support it with facts. I'll be waiting.

Nice cop out Joe. I'll expect the same from Tbag.

[JoltinJoe]

Support it with facts. I'll be waiting.

Nice cop out Joe. I'll expect the same from Tbag.

Let me get this straight. You take a chart off some ridiculous website, and I'm supposed to debunk it?

What facts support this chart? To any rational mind, that chart is ridiculous.

[kalm]

Another interesting correlation is that the dark ages corresponded with the height of the church's power. The rennaissance and the enlightment occurred with the rise of nation states.

[dbackjon]

Nice cop out Joe. I'll expect the same from Tbag.

Let me get this straight. You take a chart off some ridiculous website, and I'm supposed to debunk it?

What facts support this chart? To any rational mind, that chart is ridiculous.

Congrats on post #1000

[JoltinJoe]

Let me get this straight. You take a chart off some ridiculous website, and I'm supposed to debunk it?

What facts support this chart? To any rational mind, that chart is ridiculous.

Congrats on post #1000

I couldn't have done it without Jeff.

[D1B]

Nice cop out Joe. I'll expect the same from Tbag.

Let me get this straight. You take a chart off some ridiculous website, and I'm supposed to debunk it?

What facts support this chart? To any rational mind, that chart is ridiculous.

Nice cop out Joe.

[JoltinJoe]

Another interesting correlation is that the dark ages corresponded with the height of the church's power. The rennaissance and the enlightment occurred with the rise of nation states.

The Church preserved the culture of Europe after the fall of Rome and the unrest that followed.

The Renaissance was initiated by patronage of the arts and literature by the papacy and the Catholic leadership in Florence.

[JMU DJ]

Nice cop out Joe. I'll expect the same from Tbag.

Let me get this straight. You take a chart off some ridiculous website, and I'm supposed to debunk it?

What facts support this chart? To any rational mind, that chart is ridiculous.

Via Pope Paul V

"the doctrine of the double motion of the earth about its axis and about the sun is false, and entirely contrary to Holy Scripture''


Via Pope Gregory XVI (doesn't sound very Jeffersonian)

"From the polluted fountain of indifferentism flows that absurd and erroneous doctrine, or rather, raving, which claims and defends liberty of conscience for everyone. From this comes, in a word, the worst plague of all, namely, unrestrained liberty of opinion and freedom of speech? It is in no way lawful to demand, to defend, or to grant unconditional freedom of thought, or speech, of writing, or of religion, as if they were so many rights that nature has given man."


Via Pope Pius XI

"Benito Mussolini is a gift of Providence, a man free from the prejudices of the politicians of the liberal school."


Via Pope Pius XII

“One Galileo in two thousand years is enough”



John Paul II seemed like a good one though

“We are deeply saddened by the behavior of those who in the course of history have caused these children of yours to suffer, and asking your forgiveness we wish to commit ourselves to genuine brotherhood with the people of the Covenant.”

[D1B]

Another interesting correlation is that the dark ages corresponded with the height of the church's power. The rennaissance and the enlightment occurred with the rise of nation states.

The Church preserved the culture of Europe after the fall of Rome and the unrest that followed.

The Renaissance was initiated by patronage of the arts and literature by the papacy and the Catholic leadership in Florence.

Notice the height of church power and scientific advancement here.



Graph pretty much matches history. Dark ages sucked, all historians agree, even catholics.

[D1B]

Here you go:

...and did they derive their "data" from the CRU in East Anglia?








Now THAT'S funny...showing a graph from "nobeliefs.com"...

Where are you Tman?

[D1B]

...and did they derive their "data" from the CRU in East Anglia?








Now THAT'S funny...showing a graph from "nobeliefs.com"...

Where are you Tman?

Tman, I'll help you. Master catholic propagandist Mike Flynn attemped to take a shot at the source of the graph in question and the supporting article in nobelief.com. The author made a second graph using Flynn's dumb data, and the effect of the church on scientific progress was even more devastating, except of course for sadistic torture devices. Nice work catholics.



Here's the source article: http://www.nobeliefs.com/Flynn.htm

As you can see Mike Flynn has done nothing but what Catholics have done for centuries: spreading propaganda. The word itself is a Catholic invention derived from Congregatio de Propaganda Fide, "Congregation for Propagating the Faith," established by a committee of cardinals under Pope Gregory XV.

Catholics

[JMU DJ]

Here's a more recent one Joe.

In a 5-2 vote, the Yellowknife Catholic school board has decided against allowing human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination shots in its institutions. This will make it more difficult for girls to get the shots, increasing their risk for the sexually transmitted infection, which is the primary cause of cervical cancer. “This is not ideal for the work of public health,” says Sandy Lee, minister of health and social services for the Northwest Territories.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/08/no-v ... hoolgirls/

[catamount man]

true, but I didn't leave Christianity.

You will.

No I won't. Trust me!

[D1B]

Here's a more recent one Joe.

In a 5-2 vote, the Yellowknife Catholic school board has decided against allowing human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccination shots in its institutions. This will make it more difficult for girls to get the shots, increasing their risk for the sexually transmitted infection, which is the primary cause of cervical cancer. “This is not ideal for the work of public health,” says Sandy Lee, minister of health and social services for the Northwest Territories.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/10/08/no-v ... hoolgirls/

That could be very deadly especially with how promiscuous catholic girls are.

[D1B]

You will.

No I won't. Trust me!

Dude you are one missed pill and one classic D1B rant from blowing a fucking gasket and joining the ranks of the free thinkers. Getting out of the Catholic Church was a huge first step.

I look forward to the day when you are not haunted by the ghosts and demons of christianity. We will crack a few and give a toast to freedom.


"Cman, it's all a fraud. Trust me, I'm Jesus."

[Wedgebuster]

Gawd I love me some Catholic girls!

[catamount man]

No I won't. Trust me!

Dude you are one missed pill and one classic D1B rant from blowing a **** gasket and joining the ranks of the free thinkers. Getting out of the Catholic Church was a huge first step.

I look forward to the day when you are not haunted by the ghosts and demons of christianity. We will crack a few and give a toast to freedom.


"Cman, it's all a fraud. Trust me, I'm Jesus."

I had no problem leaving RCC but I still don't hate them. It was a matter of my own private interpretation of scripture against theirs. TRUST ME, I ain't giving up Christianity. It's been my one source of hope in a hopeless world. Blessed are they who have NOT seen and still believe. THAT TAKES GUTS AND FAITH. Something a lot of people in this world lack. You can hold a gun to my head, fully loaded and ask me to denounce Christ and I would tell you NO. I apologize to nobody for that. Am I perfect? far from it. I struggle with every facet of life every day. But my belief in God keeps me going, even when others denounce it.

No personal attacks. Just me man and I'm not changing. Peace.