And you have your next Seal recruit.CID1990 wrote:That's easy. Just throw the effing baby in a pond. If he walks back to you, then the mother is excused.Appaholic wrote:
Getting pregnant isn't an "act of God"? How would you police deployed Catholics (or fundamentalist Christians) home on leave?
sooooo wrong........but somehow still funny.GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:And you have your next Seal recruit.CID1990 wrote:
That's easy. Just throw the effing baby in a pond. If he walks back to you, then the mother is excused.
FFSSuperHornet wrote:Check your capitalization, GFSIU.
A SEAL is a Sea, Air, and Land Sailor.
Seal is married to Heidi Klum.
LOL.
According to the newspaper I have sitting in front of me about a local guy that is one of the SEALS charged...GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote: I'm still a little unclear about what rules were broken in that Seal thing to be honest. IF there is a rule that was broken, it sure sounds like a dumb rule that needs to be looked at. IF they did break one, then they will pay a price and that is what the court martial will do.
Wouldn't that be SALS? I guess if they were called the Navy SALS nobody would join.SuperHornet wrote:Check your capitalization, GFSIU.
A SEAL is a Sea, Air, and Land Sailor.
Seal is married to Heidi Klum.
LOL.
Can someone PLEASE tell me HOW THIS HAPPENED?SuperHornet wrote:
Seal is married to Heidi Klum.
That's a good question. Dude must be hung like an elephant seal.Grizo406 wrote:Can someone PLEASE tell me HOW THIS HAPPENED?SuperHornet wrote:
Seal is married to Heidi Klum.
The guy is talented, but come on here!??!
She blew a seal?BlueHen86 wrote:That's a good question. Dude must be hung like an elephant seal.Grizo406 wrote:
Can someone PLEASE tell me HOW THIS HAPPENED?
The guy is talented, but come on here!??!
He hopes.Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:She blew a seal?BlueHen86 wrote:
That's a good question. Dude must be hung like an elephant seal.
"Nah, that's just a little ice cream" was the correct answer. I thought for sure you'd get that one.BlueHen86 wrote:He hopes.Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: She blew a seal?
Ursus A. Horribilis wrote:"Nah, that's just a little ice cream" was the correct answer. I thought for sure you'd get that one.BlueHen86 wrote:
He hopes.
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BlueHen86 wrote:Ursus A. Horribilis wrote: "Nah, that's just a little ice cream" was the correct answer. I thought for sure you'd get that one.
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I don't think I've ever heard that one before.
I am sure there are 2 sides to this one, we won't get the whole story and the media wouldn't report the whole story if they could get it. If they really lied and covered something up, they will be in trouble and rightly so. The court martial will sort it out, I'm not worried about that part myself. The thing I worry about is putting unrealistic expectations on the soldiers when we put them in harms way. Expecting them to be all nicey nice to a piece of trash like that is unrealistic in my mind. They are not on the home front and a peace officer in one of our own neighborhoods. They are in a combat zone and the people they are after are worse than trash. I am not justifying them not telling it like it is/was in a report, just wondering why it was an issue to begin with. If all the guy had was a busted lip and it was my guys that brought him in, I'd have put them in for a humanitarian of the year award instead of writing them up. There wouldn't have been a paper trail of a problem to begin with I guess. That is what I don't get about this whole story, it just doesn't sound like they did much to the guy and it shouldn't have been questioned to begin with.Skjellyfetti wrote:According to the newspaper I have sitting in front of me about a local guy that is one of the SEALS charged...GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote: I'm still a little unclear about what rules were broken in that Seal thing to be honest. IF there is a rule that was broken, it sure sounds like a dumb rule that needs to be looked at. IF they did break one, then they will pay a price and that is what the court martial will do.
They're being charged with dereliction of duty, making false statements, impeding and investigation, etc.
Seems to me that their problems are more about lying and covering up the assault more than the assault. And those arguing the charges should be dropped are essentially arguing that lying, dereliction of duty, etc. aren't a big deal and should be ignored. I'm not a vet. I didn't serve in the military... but, I think the military has standards in regards to honor and personal conduct that should be enforced. If the SEALS lied, covered up their act, etc. they deserve any punishment they get, imo.
Agreed.GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:I am sure there are 2 sides to this one, we won't get the whole story and the media wouldn't report the whole story if they could get it. If they really lied and covered something up, they will be in trouble and rightly so. The court martial will sort it out, I'm not worried about that part myself. The thing I worry about is putting unrealistic expectations on the soldiers when we put them in harms way. Expecting them to be all nicey nice to a piece of trash like that is unrealistic in my mind. They are not on the home front and a peace officer in one of our own neighborhoods. They are in a combat zone and the people they are after are worse than trash. I am not justifying them not telling it like it is/was in a report, just wondering why it was an issue to begin with. If all the guy had was a busted lip and it was my guys that brought him in, I'd have put them in for a humanitarian of the year award instead of writing them up. There wouldn't have been a paper trail of a problem to begin with I guess. That is what I don't get about this whole story, it just doesn't sound like they did much to the guy and it shouldn't have been questioned to begin with.Skjellyfetti wrote:
According to the newspaper I have sitting in front of me about a local guy that is one of the SEALS charged...
They're being charged with dereliction of duty, making false statements, impeding and investigation, etc.
Seems to me that their problems are more about lying and covering up the assault more than the assault. And those arguing the charges should be dropped are essentially arguing that lying, dereliction of duty, etc. aren't a big deal and should be ignored. I'm not a vet. I didn't serve in the military... but, I think the military has standards in regards to honor and personal conduct that should be enforced. If the SEALS lied, covered up their act, etc. they deserve any punishment they get, imo.
That's why I think it's best to let the military handle internal stuff like this. I was never in the military, but I agree that most civilians don't know what they are talking about when trying to judge a situation like this.CID1990 wrote:Agreed.GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
I am sure there are 2 sides to this one, we won't get the whole story and the media wouldn't report the whole story if they could get it. If they really lied and covered something up, they will be in trouble and rightly so. The court martial will sort it out, I'm not worried about that part myself. The thing I worry about is putting unrealistic expectations on the soldiers when we put them in harms way. Expecting them to be all nicey nice to a piece of trash like that is unrealistic in my mind. They are not on the home front and a peace officer in one of our own neighborhoods. They are in a combat zone and the people they are after are worse than trash. I am not justifying them not telling it like it is/was in a report, just wondering why it was an issue to begin with. If all the guy had was a busted lip and it was my guys that brought him in, I'd have put them in for a humanitarian of the year award instead of writing them up. There wouldn't have been a paper trail of a problem to begin with I guess. That is what I don't get about this whole story, it just doesn't sound like they did much to the guy and it shouldn't have been questioned to begin with.
I can tell you from experience that it is not easy to change gears from killing mode to nicey nice mode. Anyone who has had the misfortune of having to kill another human being knows this. Anyone who says different hasn't been in that position.
We can enforce rules that reflect general human decency and honor, but when you start going after busted lips and black eyes in a war zone you are setting yourself up for accusations of selective enforcement, because there is no way you can control it all.
I think back to the story of Easy Co. 101st PIR in the Normandy invasion. Sgt. Joe Toye carried brass knuckles with him, and used them on a German or two. He never used them anyone who was trying to kill him, rather, he used them on Germans who had either surrendered or tried to surrender. He had no fear of being jammed for it, because it just wasn't a big deal. Nobody was all that concerned with the feelings of the enemy. We dehumanized them and then we fought them like animals. That is what it takes to win.
Thank God there was no CNN or NYT back then or we'd be under the Kraut heel to this day.
Taking into account your WWII story and the increased pressure on the US when dealing with incidental civilian casualties - do you think it is even possible to "win" a war in the Middle East, or anywhere for that matter?CID1990 wrote:Agreed.GrizFanStuckInUtah wrote:
I am sure there are 2 sides to this one, we won't get the whole story and the media wouldn't report the whole story if they could get it. If they really lied and covered something up, they will be in trouble and rightly so. The court martial will sort it out, I'm not worried about that part myself. The thing I worry about is putting unrealistic expectations on the soldiers when we put them in harms way. Expecting them to be all nicey nice to a piece of trash like that is unrealistic in my mind. They are not on the home front and a peace officer in one of our own neighborhoods. They are in a combat zone and the people they are after are worse than trash. I am not justifying them not telling it like it is/was in a report, just wondering why it was an issue to begin with. If all the guy had was a busted lip and it was my guys that brought him in, I'd have put them in for a humanitarian of the year award instead of writing them up. There wouldn't have been a paper trail of a problem to begin with I guess. That is what I don't get about this whole story, it just doesn't sound like they did much to the guy and it shouldn't have been questioned to begin with.
I can tell you from experience that it is not easy to change gears from killing mode to nicey nice mode. Anyone who has had the misfortune of having to kill another human being knows this. Anyone who says different hasn't been in that position.
We can enforce rules that reflect general human decency and honor, but when you start going after busted lips and black eyes in a war zone you are setting yourself up for accusations of selective enforcement, because there is no way you can control it all.
I think back to the story of Easy Co. 101st PIR in the Normandy invasion. Sgt. Joe Toye carried brass knuckles with him, and used them on a German or two. He never used them anyone who was trying to kill him, rather, he used them on Germans who had either surrendered or tried to surrender. He had no fear of being jammed for it, because it just wasn't a big deal. Nobody was all that concerned with the feelings of the enemy. We dehumanized them and then we fought them like animals. That is what it takes to win.
Thank God there was no CNN or NYT back then or we'd be under the Kraut heel to this day.
Not the way we are fighting the current wars.danefan wrote:Taking into account your WWII story and the increased pressure on the US when dealing with incidental civilian casualties - do you think it is even possible to "win" a war in the Middle East, or anywhere for that matter?CID1990 wrote:
Agreed.
I can tell you from experience that it is not easy to change gears from killing mode to nicey nice mode. Anyone who has had the misfortune of having to kill another human being knows this. Anyone who says different hasn't been in that position.
We can enforce rules that reflect general human decency and honor, but when you start going after busted lips and black eyes in a war zone you are setting yourself up for accusations of selective enforcement, because there is no way you can control it all.
I think back to the story of Easy Co. 101st PIR in the Normandy invasion. Sgt. Joe Toye carried brass knuckles with him, and used them on a German or two. He never used them anyone who was trying to kill him, rather, he used them on Germans who had either surrendered or tried to surrender. He had no fear of being jammed for it, because it just wasn't a big deal. Nobody was all that concerned with the feelings of the enemy. We dehumanized them and then we fought them like animals. That is what it takes to win.
Thank God there was no CNN or NYT back then or we'd be under the Kraut heel to this day.