Time To Unload Your Guns..

[AZGrizFan]

BUCDaddy would be considered an average guns/ammo owner in Wyoming and Montana, just saying.

The last survey I saw about Montanans said the average Montanan owned 9 weapons.

[mainejeff]

More guns and ammo than ever spread across this country's crazy populace........great.

[mainejeff]

BUCDaddy would be considered an average guns/ammo owner in Wyoming and Montana, just saying.

The last survey I saw about Montanans said the average Montanan owned 9 weapons.

1 for each finger?

[travelinman67]

Ok so I read the whole thing since I asked.

First the INTERPOL thing. So it sounds like if they gather info for their cases in the US that our own govt would have to seek the right to go through the info instead of just being allowed to. I would think our CIA has the same rules for matters overseas. Second just go through the process to get the info. I work for the govt and its the same way. Information is public unless made confidential. And a lot doesn't become public until the investigation is finished. So I can understand INTERPOLs reasoning. I also understand that if info is gathered on American citizens then the US wants the same info so it goes both ways.

Next was the Roman Statue. This one I could really care less about. We should sign it.

Two critical matters are at play. One is an overall matter of sovereignty and the concept of the primacy of American law above those of the rest of the world. But more recently a more over-riding concern principally has been the potential - if not likely - specter of subjecting our Armed Forces to a hostile international body seeking war crimes prosecutions during the execution of an unpopular war.

Point 1: The concept that American law is above all else is a problem. While the rights of US citizens should be protected, I think that matter falls into other hands if it happens outside the country or in ICC jurisdiction. Its like how if one things legal in Texas (like 17 year old girls) and I go to another state and sleep with one where 18 is the legal age, I can't say we'll I'm from Texas, I live by those laws.

Point 2: I get the idea that some countries may want to retaliate against our troops for war crimes. But if those troops that create war crimes are the same POS that killed Iraqi citizens then who gives a shit.

Still this doesn;t give me any info on why I need to arm myself and prepare for war on our own soil.

You obviously did not read it.

If exempting foreign investigative agencies who reside on U.S. soil from FOI and legal discovery process seems insignificant, then you clearly do not understand the value of our BOR 4th, 5th and 6th amendments.

Interpol will be allowed to seize personal records and property from American citizens with no means for the accused to review or obtain the return of that property/records without hiring an International Criminal Law attorney and filing a request through the ICC.

Don't think it will happen?

I'll wager you a $100 donation to CS that it happens within the first year.

Moreso, one would have to be an idiot not to see the connection with this action, and Obama's attempt to "backdoor" into the ICC Treaty, something Bill Clinton and his wife have supported for years.

Oh, and btw...you need to study about the disputes arising from "transnational" policies and the inherent threat to the U.S.'s sovereignty. Here's a start:

http://www.heritage.org/research/intern ... bg1249.cfm

[houndawg]

Dude, I have seed packs for a whole mess of crops on hand as well as canned goods to last 8 people a year on the shelf. Water supply that will last 3 months but trust me, nobody will get any of it if the **** hits. the fan. You want any of what I have, you have to get through my security system first

I'll assume a Naval Officer in good standing will be given the password...

Good standing on the no-fly list.


I knew something wasn't right about you.

[houndawg]

The run on guns was by people who did not own one previously for the most part. The run on ammo was by guys like me who wanted to increase their supply ahead of price increases and new federal regulation on ammo purchases. Right now I have the following weapons in my weapons locker:

Remington 1100
Ruger 556(223 and 5.56)
Winchester 290 22LR
Ruger SR9
Remington 700(30.06 sniper rifle)
Ruger LCP 38 special(conceal carry piece)

My normal(pre Obama) ammo stock levels were:
Shotgun rounds 250
9mm rounds 400
22LR rounds 500
223 500
5.56 500
30.06 400
38 250

My ammo stock levels now:
Shotgun rounds 500
9mm rounds 1000
22LR rounds 2000
223 2000
5.56 2000
30.06 1500
38 1000


And if you want to know why, just google "The bubba effect"


And while all you libtards are sitting there calling me an exremist, come talk to me when it takes a wheel barrel of dollars to by a loaf of bread and the shelves are bare in the stores and the only people with anything to eat are those like me who saw this coming and stocked up on canned goods and food stocks and are willing and able to defend it.

No need to stock up here, bro, I got a wackjob neighbor that's been ready since Y2K.

[kalm]

Ok so I read the whole thing since I asked.

First the INTERPOL thing. So it sounds like if they gather info for their cases in the US that our own govt would have to seek the right to go through the info instead of just being allowed to. I would think our CIA has the same rules for matters overseas. Second just go through the process to get the info. I work for the govt and its the same way. Information is public unless made confidential. And a lot doesn't become public until the investigation is finished. So I can understand INTERPOLs reasoning. I also understand that if info is gathered on American citizens then the US wants the same info so it goes both ways.

Next was the Roman Statue. This one I could really care less about. We should sign it.


Point 1: The concept that American law is above all else is a problem. While the rights of US citizens should be protected, I think that matter falls into other hands if it happens outside the country or in ICC jurisdiction. Its like how if one things legal in Texas (like 17 year old girls) and I go to another state and sleep with one where 18 is the legal age, I can't say we'll I'm from Texas, I live by those laws.

Point 2: I get the idea that some countries may want to retaliate against our troops for war crimes. But if those troops that create war crimes are the same POS that killed Iraqi citizens then who gives a ****.

Still this doesn;t give me any info on why I need to arm myself and prepare for war on our own soil.

You obviously did not read it.

If exempting foreign investigative agencies who reside on U.S. soil from FOI and legal discovery process seems insignificant, then you clearly do not understand the value of our BOR 4th, 5th and 6th amendments.

Interpol will be allowed to seize personal records and property from American citizens with no means for the accused to review or obtain the return of that property/records without hiring an International Criminal Law attorney and filing a request through the ICC.

Don't think it will happen?

I'll wager you a $100 donation to CS that it happens within the first year.

Moreso, one would have to be an idiot not to see the connection with this action, and Obama's attempt to "backdoor" into the ICC Treaty, something Bill Clinton and his wife have supported for years.

Oh, and btw...you need to study about the disputes arising from "transnational" policies and the inherent threat to the U.S.'s sovereignty. Here's a start:

http://www.heritage.org/research/intern ... bg1249.cfm

Dear T-man (if that's you're real name). We've been following your writings for some time now, know who you are, and where you live. Prepare for arrest and internment in one of our indoctrination centers where you will be educated on how to think correctly.

One of our black helicopters will be arriving soon.

Signed,

Chancellor Soros

The

[Chizzang]

Dear T-man (if that's you're real name). We've been following your writings for some time now, know who you are, and where you live. Prepare for arrest and internment in one of our indoctrination centers where you will be educated on how to think correctly.

One of our black helicopters will be arriving soon.

Signed,

Chancellor Soros

Ya..!!!
Every time a Democrat has been elected president in the past 40 years we go through this whole scenario

1) There coming to take our guns
2) They're rewriting the constitution as we speak
3) The end is near...

I've personally witnessed the "insanity" three different times and each time I was "assured" that this was about to happen that "they were coming to get the guns" and the end was near
Each time it was by a person who by all appearances was completely sane
but by his actions was a total nut-job

[travelinman67]

Dear T-man (if that's you're real name). We've been following your writings for some time now, know who you are, and where you live. Prepare for arrest and internment in one of our indoctrination centers where you will be educated on how to think correctly.

One of our black helicopters will be arriving soon.

Signed,

Chancellor Soros

Ya..!!!
Every time a Democrat has been elected president in the past 40 years we go through this whole scenario

1) There coming to take our guns
2) They're rewriting the constitution as we speak
3) The end is near...

I've personally witnessed the "insanity" three different times and each time I was "assured" that this was about to happen that "they were coming to get the guns" and the end was near
Each time it was by a person who by all appearances was completely sane
but by his actions was a total nut-job

Yet, Clinton did sign the Rome Treaty on Dec. 31, 2000, just hours before the signature deadline, DESPITE his acknowledging the document was "flawed", and DESPITE his refusal to submit the document to the Senate for ratification, because he ACKNOWLEDGED it had no chance of being ratified (he didn't, it didn't). His reasoning for signing it was to ensure the U.S. would be subject to (Clinton quote) "...international accountability..."

...and...

...Obama did sign the executive order exempting Interpol from the same checks and balances that U.S. law enforcement have to operate under.

So, Hippie...

...what part of either are you denying occurred?

[andy7171]

Good God BucDad! WTF do you need all that food and ammo for?

[Chizzang]

Yet, Clinton did sign the Rome Treaty on Dec. 31, 2000, just hours before the signature deadline, DESPITE his acknowledging the document was "flawed", and DESPITE his refusal to submit the document to the Senate for ratification, because he ACKNOWLEDGED it had no chance of being ratified (he didn't, it didn't). His reasoning for signing it was to ensure the U.S. would be subject to (Clinton quote) "...international accountability..."

...and...

...Obama did sign the executive order exempting Interpol from the same checks and balances that U.S. law enforcement have to operate under.
So, Hippie..
...what part of either are you denying occurred?

I know I know..!!!
Hurry HIDE your GUNS..!!!



They're coming to take you away - oh no RUN..!!! T-man RUN..!!!

RUN T-man RUN..!!!

[Appaholic]

I don't need to stockpile weapons....I live in a very liberal hippiedom that is Asheville....a baseball bat & a firm voice is all that is required to dislodge a Trustafarian from his food stash in these parts....

[OSBF]

Good God BucDad! WTF do you need all that food and ammo for?

for the same reason they were needed for the impending Y2K "disaster"

[AshevilleApp]

I don't need to stockpile weapons....I live in a very liberal hippiedom that is Asheville....a baseball bat & a firm voice is all that is required to dislodge a Trustafarian from his food stash in these parts....

True. But his bong will require more substantial firepower.

[bench]

I don't need to stockpile weapons....I live in a very liberal hippiedom that is Asheville....a baseball bat & a firm voice is all that is required to dislodge a Trustafarian from his food stash in these parts....

Meh, hippie food. You'd need more than a baseball bat and a firm voice to convince me to eat that shit

[AZGrizFan]

I'll assume a Naval Officer in good standing will be given the password...

Good standing on the no-fly list.


I knew something wasn't right about you.

[Col Hogan]

Violent ****!

I own no guns.

I trust my government to always protect it's citizen's interests.

However, in the event of a cataclysmic governmental shift, I believe the most logical solution in dealing with lost liberty would be to get stoned and just get along with the new rules.

D1B?????

What have you done to T-Man...

[houndawg]

Dear T-man (if that's you're real name). We've been following your writings for some time now, know who you are, and where you live. Prepare for arrest and internment in one of our indoctrination centers where you will be educated on how to think correctly.

One of our black helicopters will be arriving soon.

Signed,

Chancellor Soros

Ya..!!!
Every time a Democrat has been elected president in the past 40 years we go through this whole scenario

1) There coming to take our guns
2) They're rewriting the constitution as we speak
3) The end is near...

I've personally witnessed the "insanity" three different times and each time I was "assured" that this was about to happen that "they were coming to get the guns" and the end was near
Each time it was by a person who by all appearances was completely sane
but by his actions was a total nut-job

My grandma made my grandpa buy a small piece of farm land outside of Los Angeles when FDR first got elected because she was certain that society was on the verge of collapse and everybody would be growing their own food out of necessity within months.


Conservatives are all about fear and being frightened. They're like the rat in Rikki Tikki Tavi that was afraid to leave the wall and go out to the middle of the room. (Bonus points for the rat's name).

[AZGrizFan]

Ya..!!!
Every time a Democrat has been elected president in the past 40 years we go through this whole scenario

1) There coming to take our guns
2) They're rewriting the constitution as we speak
3) The end is near...

I've personally witnessed the "insanity" three different times and each time I was "assured" that this was about to happen that "they were coming to get the guns" and the end was near
Each time it was by a person who by all appearances was completely sane
but by his actions was a total nut-job

So only three times has the country been stupid enough to elect a Democrat in your lifetime....lets hope the country wises up in 2012.

[andy7171]

Chuchua-something.

[Chizzang]

Ya..!!!
Every time a Democrat has been elected president in the past 40 years we go through this whole scenario

1) There coming to take our guns
2) They're rewriting the constitution as we speak
3) The end is near...

I've personally witnessed the "insanity" three different times and each time I was "assured" that this was about to happen that "they were coming to get the guns" and the end was near
Each time it was by a person who by all appearances was completely sane
but by his actions was a total nut-job

So only three times has the country been stupid enough to elect a Democrat in your lifetime....lets hope the country wises up in 2012.

Yeah and each time the Government went around and rounded up all the public's weapons and sent the military into the streets and also revoked the constitution...

oh wait...
That's what the Republicans said was going to happen each time well I guess the old tricks are the best tricks...

[slycat]

Ok so I read the whole thing since I asked.

First the INTERPOL thing. So it sounds like if they gather info for their cases in the US that our own govt would have to seek the right to go through the info instead of just being allowed to. I would think our CIA has the same rules for matters overseas. Second just go through the process to get the info. I work for the govt and its the same way. Information is public unless made confidential. And a lot doesn't become public until the investigation is finished. So I can understand INTERPOLs reasoning. I also understand that if info is gathered on American citizens then the US wants the same info so it goes both ways.

Next was the Roman Statue. This one I could really care less about. We should sign it.


Point 1: The concept that American law is above all else is a problem. While the rights of US citizens should be protected, I think that matter falls into other hands if it happens outside the country or in ICC jurisdiction. Its like how if one things legal in Texas (like 17 year old girls) and I go to another state and sleep with one where 18 is the legal age, I can't say we'll I'm from Texas, I live by those laws.

Point 2: I get the idea that some countries may want to retaliate against our troops for war crimes. But if those troops that create war crimes are the same POS that killed Iraqi citizens then who gives a shit.

Still this doesn;t give me any info on why I need to arm myself and prepare for war on our own soil.

You obviously did not read it.

If exempting foreign investigative agencies who reside on U.S. soil from FOI and legal discovery process seems insignificant, then you clearly do not understand the value of our BOR 4th, 5th and 6th amendments.

Interpol will be allowed to seize personal records and property from American citizens with no means for the accused to review or obtain the return of that property/records without hiring an International Criminal Law attorney and filing a request through the ICC.

Don't think it will happen?

I'll wager you a $100 donation to CS that it happens within the first year.

Moreso, one would have to be an idiot not to see the connection with this action, and Obama's attempt to "backdoor" into the ICC Treaty, something Bill Clinton and his wife have supported for years.

Oh, and btw...you need to study about the disputes arising from "transnational" policies and the inherent threat to the U.S.'s sovereignty. Here's a start:

http://www.heritage.org/research/intern ... bg1249.cfm

I did read it but this shits all new to me so I ain't going to understand it overnight.

So why the heck would our country give INTERPOL those rights? What is INTERPOLs reasoning behind needing that kind of information without prior authorization? Really I'll never get involved in anything INTERPOLs interested in so I'm personally not worried.

And upon reading some more about ICC I don't agree with the idea of abuse or how the system is flawed. If revised I think the US should sign it though.

Its hard for the US to talk about abuse when we were doing to prisoners at Gitmo.

[Wedgebuster]

I can't wait for the prices to fall further. I have guns for every finger, and every toe. A couple extra for my nose, tongue, dick, and ass-roid to squeeze ( ) off a few shots with if'n I can get them appendages trained to do so, for when the red chineeze, ruskies, fash-on-ists, commies, pinkos, and other demokats do invade to think twice about ass-aulting my 'merican true-blue god fearing and bible believing arse on any moments notice!

If'n you think good enough to stockpile enough campbells chicken noodle soup and dinty moore beefin' stew for years to come and don't train your soft tissues to pull the trigger, then I will fatten my girth with your booty and possibly eat yer liver and fry your daughters o-rings like 'tater fries while you writhe in pain calling for the pope to save your sorry soul.

just sayin'