Will 2011 decimate the FCS????

[Green Cookie Monster]

While women's football would get the number of schollies, NCAA current requirements state an FBS team must sponsor 16 teams. FCS must sponsor 14 teams.

Montana sponsors the bare minimum of sports. Other Big Sky schools, like NAU and Sac State, sponsor more than 14 (NAU 15, Sac State at least 16, maybe 17 already)

Sac State sponsors 20 varsity sports.

[SuperHornet]

While women's football would get the number of schollies, NCAA current requirements state an FBS team must sponsor 16 teams. FCS must sponsor 14 teams.

Montana sponsors the bare minimum of sports. Other Big Sky schools, like NAU and Sac State, sponsor more than 14 (NAU 15, Sac State at least 16, maybe 17 already)

Sac State sponsors 20 varsity sports.

I didn't believe this, but then I verified it. That said, we do not fully support each sport in terms of schollies. Men's track is a prime example: we skimp there to comply with Title IX. But at least we continue to sponsor it vice dumping it like some schools do with baseball, golf, and wrestling. Completely contrary to the spirit and intent of Title IX.

FWIW, Sac sponsors baseball/softball, MBB/WBB, MXC/WXC, FB, MGolf/WGolf, WGymnastics, WCrew, MSoccer/WSoccer, MTennis/WTennis, MTF/WTF Outdoor, MTF/WTF Indoor, and WVB.

[LastMinuteman]

In the northeast we add women's crew.

Yeah, I was going to add that UMass has a 50 member women's rowing team. That's our "women's football". They have about 7 meets per year, all within a couple hours of campus. Need another 8 scholarships for men's teams? Just pull another 8 coeds out of class and hand 'em a paddle. We're all up sh*t creek together, ladies.

(They're actually all quite proficient and have won the conference championship something like 13 straight times. It's just funny that so many universities up here have these gigantic women's teams in such a small niche sport. No chance this would happen without football. And of course we don't have so much as a 2 member varsity men's rowing team, let alone a 50 member one. That would be silly.)

[Fresno St. Alum]

I think Fresno St.'s women's equestrian team has 60-80 scholly members. I don't know any other school that has a team. They must play with themselves. ride each other? We have women's Lacrosse now. Watch out Northwestern(they're good in womens right)? I only watch men's and I like Johns Hopkins(I think only andy knows or cares). I'm the only person west of Indiana that watches college lax.

[T-Dog]

Ah, ok. I missed that about track.

Wow, so in that case App fields 20 teams. Didn't realize that was so high, relatively.

Could be 22 after this season with men's and women's cycling if they get approved. At least they're mostly covered by sponsors since they're not NCAA.

Also, Marshall never really dominated until right before going to FBS. In fact, they have more losses in the 70's (70's and 80's combined too I believe) than any other Division 1 school. App, Furman and later Georgia Southern always gave them tough games.

[UAalum72]

I can't imagine an outdoor track meet in Michigan, in January......

January is indoor track season.

You can also have your distance people run cross-country in the fall, so you can get six sports out of 25 scholarships

[ChickenMan]

I'd assume women's football wouldn't work considering it costs a whole bunch already to even run a men's football program. You'd also have to create an infrastructure for it on the high school level, and probably at earlier ages too. If you just started out from scratch on the collegiate level, the talent would simply be horrendous to watch.

Women's football won't work??? It works for me and obviously the uniforms wouldn't cost too much.. I say roll out those scholarships...

[dbackjon]

While women's football would get the number of schollies, NCAA current requirements state an FBS team must sponsor 16 teams. FCS must sponsor 14 teams.

Montana sponsors the bare minimum of sports. Other Big Sky schools, like NAU and Sac State, sponsor more than 14 (NAU 15, Sac State at least 16, maybe 17 already)

Sac State sponsors 20 varsity sports.

Thanks!

[OL FU]

My guess is the answer to the question is yes ( or no ), but has any school effort started football from scratch as an FBS team or moved to FBS after two years in a lower division or sub-divison?

[dbackjon]

My guess is the answer to the question is yes ( or no ), but has any school effort started football from scratch as an FBS team or moved to FBS after two years in a lower division or sub-divison?

The NCAA doesn't allow you to go straight into FBS - they require a minimum of two years in FCS.

Quickest I can find was FAU - four years in FCS.

[Skjellyfetti]

In the northeast we add women's crew.

Yeah, I was going to add that UMass has a 50 member women's rowing team. That's our "women's football". They have about 7 meets per year, all within a couple hours of campus. Need another 8 scholarships for men's teams? Just pull another 8 coeds out of class and hand 'em a paddle. We're all up sh*t creek together, ladies.

(They're actually all quite proficient and have won the conference championship something like 13 straight times. It's just funny that so many universities up here have these gigantic women's teams in such a small niche sport. No chance this would happen without football. And of course we don't have so much as a 2 member varsity men's rowing team, let alone a 50 member one. That would be silly.)

This is very true. I went to TCU my freshman year for swimming... girl quit the team to transfer to Michigan State... talked to the crew coach and was able to get a scholarship (not sure if partial or full)... having ZERO experience in crew... just by being an athlete.

[OL FU]

My guess is the answer to the question is yes ( or no ), but has any school effort started football from scratch as an FBS team or moved to FBS after two years in a lower division or sub-divison?

The NCAA doesn't allow you to go straight into FBS - they require a minimum of two years in FCS.

Quickest I can find was FAU - four years in FCS.

Thanks

[nwFL Griz]

My guess is the answer to the question is yes ( or no ), but has any school effort started football from scratch as an FBS team or moved to FBS after two years in a lower division or sub-divison?

The NCAA doesn't allow you to go straight into FBS - they require a minimum of two years in FCS.

Quickest I can find was FAU - four years in FCS.

That will change, see South Alabma's plan (two years FCS/transitional):

South Alabama

[kemajic]

Just to put an end to the rumor of Marshall's dominance. Marshall joined the conference in 1976 and left in 1996. The following is a list of the football champions during that period.

1976
East Carolina (NC)
1977
Tennessee-Chattanooga
Virginia Military Institute
1978
Furman (SC)
Tennessee-Chattanooga
1979
Tennessee-Chattanooga
1980
Furman (SC)
1981
Furman (SC)
1982
Furman (SC)
1983
Furman (SC)
1984
Tennessee-Chattanooga
1985
Furman (SC)
1986
Appalachian St. (NC)
1987
Appalachian St. (NC)
1988
Furman (SC)
Marshall (WV)
1989
Furman (SC)
1990
Furman (SC)
1991
Appalachian St. (NC)
1992
Citadel (SC)
1993
Georgia Southern
1994
Marshall (WV)
1995
Appalachian St. (NC)
1996
Marshall (WV)



I count three for Marshall. to put it in perspective

Chattanooga had 4
App State had 4
Furman had 9.

National Championship appearances through 1996:

Chattanooga - 0
AppSt - 0
Furman - 2
Marshall - 6

To put that into perspective...

[Skjellyfetti]

Montana fans love using "National Championship appearances" as the measure of success.

And, it was about whether or not Marshall dominated the SoCon... which htey did not.

[tampajag]

does any state sponsor girls flag football in high school? They have here in florida for the since 2003.

[OL FU]

Montana fans love using "National Championship appearances" as the measure of success.

And, it was about whether or not Marshall dominated the SoCon... which htey did not.

Yep even more, they didn't dominate FCS. They made a lot of championship appearances as kemajic says. which shows they were a hell of a play off team. but, you can't dominate FCS when you didn't even dominate your own conference.

[OL FU]

And when you consider that 4 of their 6 appearances occurred during the Marshall invitational classic, it is even less impressive

[LastMinuteman]

I think Fresno St.'s women's equestrian team has 60-80 scholly members. I don't know any other school that has a team.

Wow, that's crazy. Owning horses ain't cheap. I see from their website that they just had two events in Georgia and South Carolina. They don't just show up and ride someone else's horse, right? I think they haul them across the country. They must have some wealthy alum and horse enthusiast who endows this.

Come to think of it, how far off really is Women's Equestrian from Women's Auto Racing? We could be creating a bunch of new Danica Patricks. Get some nerd girls from the Engineering school to fill out the roster and handle the tuning. They tend to have low self-esteems, so they'd probably just go along with it even if they weren't interested. Should be a huge help to our student-athlete academic index. Add some fuel mileage requirement or green energy aspect for PR purposes. May even bring in some research dollars. Seems to kill a bunch of birds with one stone.

[dbackjon]

Fresno and NMSU are the only Western schoos with Equestrian right now.

South Dakota State has it too. Number of Texas teams

[SuperHornet]

My guess is the answer to the question is yes ( or no ), but has any school effort started football from scratch as an FBS team or moved to FBS after two years in a lower division or sub-divison?

The NCAA doesn't allow you to go straight into FBS - they require a minimum of two years in FCS.

Quickest I can find was FAU - four years in FCS.

I got one that might be considered to be quicker. It depends on whether or not you count the transition year and the "pre-year" in FCS.

South Florida started fielding their team in '96, but did not actually play. They ran regular practices as if they were playing, but did not play their first game until '97, when they blew out D-II KY Wesleyan 80-3. For USF's entire tenure in FCS, they were targeting C-USA membership and achieved that for all sports other than football in '99. USF was an FCS Independent for the '97-'99 seasons (that's THREE). Y2K was USF's FBS transition year, with all other sports in C-USA. USF was FBS Independent '00-'02, before gaining C-USA membership for '03-'04. The Bulls moved to the Big East in '05.

So, I count three years in FCS before the move. One could quibble about the transition year and the "pre-year," though.

Incidentally, USF has a pretty extensive history archive, including every single game press release in their football history. You should check it out at http://www.gousfbulls.com. Every school should do that.

[OL FU]

The NCAA doesn't allow you to go straight into FBS - they require a minimum of two years in FCS.

Quickest I can find was FAU - four years in FCS.

I got one that might be considered to be quicker. It depends on whether or not you count the transition year and the "pre-year" in FCS.

South Florida started fielding their team in '96, but did not actually play. They ran regular practices as if they were playing, but did not play their first game until '97, when they blew out D-II KY Wesleyan 80-3. For USF's entire tenure in FCS, they were targeting C-USA membership and achieved that for all sports other than football in '99. USF was an FCS Independent for the '97-'99 seasons (that's THREE). Y2K was USF's FBS transition year, with all other sports in C-USA. USF was FBS Independent '00-'02, before gaining C-USA membership for '03-'04. The Bulls moved to the Big East in '05.

So, I count three years in FCS before the move. One could quibble about the transition year and the "pre-year," though.

Incidentally, USF has a pretty extensive history archive, including every single game press release in their football history. You should check it out at http://www.gousfbulls.com. Every school should do that.

That's fast. In fact it was so fast I had totally forgotten that they played I-AA

[proasu89]

Montana fans love using "National Championship appearances" as the measure of success.

And, it was about whether or not Marshall dominated the SoCon... which htey did not.

Yep even more, they didn't dominate FCS. They made a lot of championship appearances as kemajic says. which shows they were a hell of a play off team. but, you can't dominate FCS when you didn't even dominate your own conference.

Courtesy of cfbdatawarehouse.com, one of the most useful sites a fan can have, It looks like FU was 13-7 vs. Marshall and ASU was 11-6 during their conference years. ASU beat Marshall during it's championship year in 92. The green Turd's beat FU during it's championship year in 88. Marshall had some great teams in the 90's, but it was not the dominant force that people made it out to be. The conference was 3 deep at all times.

[Green Cookie Monster]

Sac State sponsors 20 varsity sports.

I didn't believe this, but then I verified it. That said, we do not fully support each sport in terms of schollies. Men's track is a prime example: we skimp there to comply with Title IX. But at least we continue to sponsor it vice dumping it like some schools do with baseball, golf, and wrestling. Completely contrary to the spirit and intent of Title IX.

FWIW, Sac sponsors baseball/softball, MBB/WBB, MXC/WXC, FB, MGolf/WGolf, WGymnastics, WCrew, MSoccer/WSoccer, MTennis/WTennis, MTF/WTF Outdoor, MTF/WTF Indoor, and WVB.

If you didn;'t know they had 20 sports how do you know they don't sponsor full schollies in all sports, which they do. Women's crew is the equalizer with 56 positions.

[OL FU]

Yep even more, they didn't dominate FCS. They made a lot of championship appearances as kemajic says. which shows they were a hell of a play off team. but, you can't dominate FCS when you didn't even dominate your own conference.

Courtesy of cfbdatawarehouse.com, one of the most useful sites a fan can have, It looks like FU was 13-7 vs. Marshall and ASU was 11-6 during their conference years. ASU beat Marshall during it's championship year in 92. The green Turd's beat FU during it's championship year in 88. Marshall had some great teams in the 90's, but it was not the dominant force that people made it out to be. The conference was 3 deep at all times.

Yep, and 88 when Marshall beat FU, FU returned the favor in Huntington during the playoffs by beating Marshall the same year. During the last ten years of Marshall's tenure in the SoCon (the same period that they went to 6 national champioship games, 4 of which were played in Huntington and only two of which they won) their record against ASU was 5-6. Their record against the mighty Mocs was 6-4 They did put a hurting on FU during that period. I think it was 8-4. but let's face, from 92-96 FU stunk it up pretty badly.