there's part of the problem... 
Yeah but thats just the start of another problem. You can't have all that shit made here because then the products will cost a lot more. And we live in a society where cheap and fast shit are the common end.Chizzang wrote:100% SERIOUS answer for AZGF
Take a walk through Wal-Mart and Target
Count the inventory on the shelves that's actually made in America... less than 5%
Go to the mall... do the same thing
and you'll find less than 15% USA made products
Look around when you drive through town - where are the good jobs - are towns are full of fast food joints and shopping centers - we're a consumer based society....
So, what's the excuse for service folks working 2 hours a day?Chizzang wrote:100% SERIOUS answer for AZGF
Take a walk through Wal-Mart and Target
Count the inventory on the shelves that's actually made in America... less than 5%
Go to the mall... do the same thing
and you'll find less than 15% USA made products
Look around when you drive through town - where are the good jobs - are towns are full of fast food joints and shopping centers - we're a consumer based society....
slycat wrote:Yeah but thats just the start of another problem. You can't have all that shit made here because then the products will cost a lot more. And we live in a society where cheap and fast shit are the common end.Chizzang wrote:100% SERIOUS answer for AZGF
Take a walk through Wal-Mart and Target
Count the inventory on the shelves that's actually made in America... less than 5%
Go to the mall... do the same thing
and you'll find less than 15% USA made products
Look around when you drive through town - where are the good jobs - are towns are full of fast food joints and shopping centers - we're a consumer based society....
I don't understand the question..? what service people..?AZGrizFan wrote:
So, what's the excuse for service folks working 2 hours a day?
The only thing worse than a stupid statement is a predictable stupid statement. And in an attempt to draw attention to himself, Clitorus has become the KING of predictable stupid statements.slycat wrote:I think his point is how unoriginal your joke was.Chizzang wrote:
Have you got a dildo lodged up your ass - why are you so serious all the time..?
Try to have a little fun for gods sake
Hows the Italian?
Did you not read my original post?Chizzang wrote:I don't understand the question..? what service people..?AZGrizFan wrote:
So, what's the excuse for service folks working 2 hours a day?
Oh, who the fuck am i kidding....You don't read ANY of the posts you respond to.... Chizzang wrote:100% SERIOUS answer for AZGF
Take a walk through Wal-Mart and Target
Count the inventory on the shelves that's actually made in America... less than 5%
Go to the mall... do the same thing
and you'll find less than 15% USA made products
Look around when you drive through town - where are the good jobs - are towns are full of fast food joints and shopping centers - we're a consumer based society....
Deep Thoughts From Clitorus:Chizzang wrote:slycat wrote:
Yeah but thats just the start of another problem. You can't have all that shit made here because then the products will cost a lot more. And we live in a society where cheap and fast shit are the common end.
I'm not suggesting that anything be made here...
We've got exactly the society we wanted - economically we're exactly where we've been headed
a spot on Bulls-eye
You're high horse looks pretty comfortable...AZGrizFan wrote:
The only thing worse than a stupid statement is a predictable stupid statement. And in an attempt to draw attention to himself, Clitorus has become the KING of predictable stupid statements.
Beyond Thunder Dome was a great movie.AZGrizFan wrote:Deep Thoughts From Clitorus:Chizzang wrote:
I'm not suggesting that anything be made here...
We've got exactly the society we wanted - economically we're exactly where we've been headed
a spot on Bulls-eye
Wherever you're at, there you are.
Explain to me how the proposed government provided healthcare plan currently on the table removes the "burden of expensive employer driven health care" from MY organization's expense structure.kalm wrote:Chizzang wrote:100% SERIOUS answer for AZGF
Take a walk through Wal-Mart and Target
Count the inventory on the shelves that's actually made in America... less than 5%
Go to the mall... do the same thing
and you'll find less than 15% USA made products
Look around when you drive through town - where are the good jobs - are towns are full of fast food joints and shopping centers - we're a consumer based society....
See my post earlier in the thread. It has very little to do with increased taxes.
And further on the point, let's take for example, a country that provides government healthcare and education for it's citizens, like Denmark. If you were relocating your company, wouldn't a country that may have higher taxes, but provides a better trained and educated workforce as well as not burdening your company with expensive employer driven health plans be somewhat enticing?
Those type of questions somehow get left out of the right wing business calculus when it comes to taxes.
Ingrates.
It doesn't, and that's a shame. So are you now on board for single payer?AZGrizFan wrote:Explain to me how the proposed government provided healthcare plan currently on the table removes the "burden of expensive employer driven health care" from MY organization's expense structure.kalm wrote:
See my post earlier in the thread. It has very little to do with increased taxes.
And further on the point, let's take for example, a country that provides government healthcare and education for it's citizens, like Denmark. If you were relocating your company, wouldn't a country that may have higher taxes, but provides a better trained and educated workforce as well as not burdening your company with expensive employer driven health plans be somewhat enticing?
Those type of questions somehow get left out of the right wing business calculus when it comes to taxes.
Ingrates.
We are. Now get back into your role.Chizzang wrote:You're high horse looks pretty comfortable...AZGrizFan wrote:
The only thing worse than a stupid statement is a predictable stupid statement. And in an attempt to draw attention to himself, Clitorus has become the KING of predictable stupid statements.
I thought I was supposed to play the elitist and you were supposed to play the hard working American..?
Cliff notes single payer for me.kalm wrote:It doesn't, and that's a shame. So are you now on board for single payer?AZGrizFan wrote: Explain to me how the proposed government provided healthcare plan currently on the table removes the "burden of expensive employer driven health care" from MY organization's expense structure.
Keep the producers (providers, manufacturers) capitalistic. Socialize the insurance (the same as police and fire departments).AZGrizFan wrote:Cliff notes single payer for me.kalm wrote:
It doesn't, and that's a shame. So are you now on board for single payer?
If you socialize the insurance (assuming the government now gets to decide how much to pay for each procedure), where's the motivation for young folks to become doctors?kalm wrote:Keep the producers (providers, manufacturers) capitalistic. Socialize the insurance (the same as police and fire departments).AZGrizFan wrote:
Cliff notes single payer for me.
Insurance is simply spreading the risk. Take the profit motive out of it and you eliminate the unneccessary paperwork, and save 100's of billions in administrativie costs alone not to mention the billions in insurance salaries.
IE: Pay a government bureaucrat less than six figures to do the job (taking money from you to give to your doctor) that pays the CEO of United Health $1.5 billion.
To practice medicine and make a decent living which will be helped by the fact that they won't need 5 secretaries to processs the billing to 15 different insurers and medicare, medicade, etc. Their overhead will be less.AZGrizFan wrote:If you socialize the insurance (assuming the government now gets to decide how much to pay for each procedure), where's the motivation for young folks to become doctors?kalm wrote:
Keep the producers (providers, manufacturers) capitalistic. Socialize the insurance (the same as police and fire departments).
Insurance is simply spreading the risk. Take the profit motive out of it and you eliminate the unneccessary paperwork, and save 100's of billions in administrativie costs alone not to mention the billions in insurance salaries.
IE: Pay a government bureaucrat less than six figures to do the job (taking money from you to give to your doctor) that pays the CEO of United Health $1.5 billion.
Define "decent living"? I make a "decent living" and I didn't have to go to school for 8 years after college to do it. Again, where's the motivation? Also, unless this whole "single payer" plan is done in conjunction with massive tort reform it's all a pie-in-the-sky option anyway.kalm wrote:To practice medicine and make a decent living which will be helped by the fact that they won't need 5 secretaries to processs the billing to 15 different insurers and medicare, medicade, etc. Their overhead will be less.AZGrizFan wrote:
If you socialize the insurance (assuming the government now gets to decide how much to pay for each procedure), where's the motivation for young folks to become doctors?
And there's no reason that government can't treat healthcare like any other contracted work. If a provider over-charges for their services, they will suffer. That's competition. You aren't against competition are ya Z?
Per doctors office, which means another 300,000-400,000 unemployed people.dbackjon wrote:Of course, if we had single payor, we could probably eliminate 5-10 billing/collections staff.
I fully expect US doctors to fight like hell for their large piece of the pie. But this is a big economic reset. Everyone is going to take a hit which is tough considering how greedy and materialistic we have become.AZGrizFan wrote:Define "decent living"? I make a "decent living" and I didn't have to go to school for 8 years after college to do it. Again, where's the motivation? Also, unless this whole "single payer" plan is done in conjunction with massive tort reform it's all a pie-in-the-sky option anyway.kalm wrote:
To practice medicine and make a decent living which will be helped by the fact that they won't need 5 secretaries to processs the billing to 15 different insurers and medicare, medicade, etc. Their overhead will be less.
And there's no reason that government can't treat healthcare like any other contracted work. If a provider over-charges for their services, they will suffer. That's competition. You aren't against competition are ya Z?
Under the KALM plan (Kickass Alternative to Leveraged Medicine), those job losses would be mitigated by companies chosing to locate in the US because then, like the rest of the industrialized world, healthcare would no longer be an employer's expense.AZGrizFan wrote:Per doctors office, which means another 300,000-400,000 unemployed people.dbackjon wrote:Of course, if we had single payor, we could probably eliminate 5-10 billing/collections staff.
Perfect.
AZGrizFan wrote:Per doctors office, which means another 300,000-400,000 unemployed people.dbackjon wrote:Of course, if we had single payor, we could probably eliminate 5-10 billing/collections staff.
Perfect.
