Giuliani: No Domestic Terror Attacks Under Bush

[SeattleGriz]

The Bush administration presided over the deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history and after the previous administration and intelligence agencies warned them of the threat.

George Bush, worst anti-terrorist president in history.

That is hilarious.

Obama can't even tie his shoe without checking how Bush tied his.

Let me check off the programs in which Obama has NO CLUE and thus copied Bush:

1) Drone attacks
2) Rendition
3) Wiretapping
4) Email intercepts
5) Indefini...no wait. Obama did change this to Prolonged Detention
6) Patriot Act
7) Gitmo

If it wasn't for Bush, Obama would have no clue how to proceed in the War on Terror.

[BigSkyBears]

I was thinking about some of this stuff when I was driving home from work the other day. I don't blame Obama for a lot of the problems we have today, but I was a little angry that the American people really believed ONE person could change Washington. They wanted CHANGE...CHANGE...Change. I'm wondering whether or not the voters of America were naive enough to believe he could change things or maybe they were just hopeful and now people are realizing it won't happen. THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO CAN CHANGE THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS. There's nothing wrong with people being hopeful, but there is something wrong wrong with naivety.

[danefan]

I was thinking about some of this stuff when I was driving home from work the other day. I don't blame Obama for a lot of the problems we have today, but I was a little angry that the American people really believed ONE person could change Washington. They wanted CHANGE...CHANGE...Change. I'm wondering whether or not the voters of America were naive enough to believe he could change things or maybe they were just hopeful and now people are realizing it won't happen. THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO CAN CHANGE THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS. There's nothing wrong with people being hopeful, but there is something wrong wrong with naivety.

I think it was a little bit of both.

Some people blindly followed Obama, but I think those people were probably zero-summed by the blind followers of the Republican party (e.g. Religious Right).

I think the swing voters (myself included) were hopeful that Obama would actually change things, while we knew that McCain wouldn't.

[Appaholic]

I was thinking about some of this stuff when I was driving home from work the other day. I don't blame Obama for a lot of the problems we have today, but I was a little angry that the American people really believed ONE person could change Washington. They wanted CHANGE...CHANGE...Change. I'm wondering whether or not the voters of America were naive enough to believe he could change things or maybe they were just hopeful and now people are realizing it won't happen. THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO CAN CHANGE THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS. There's nothing wrong with people being hopeful, but there is something wrong wrong with naivety.

I think it was a little bit of both.

Some people blindly followed Obama, but I think those people were probably zero-summed by the blind followers of the Republican party (e.g. Religious Right).

I think the swing voters (myself included) were hopeful that Obama would actually change things, while we knew that McCain wouldn't.

Ding! Ding! That's what the Right doesn't seem to grasp. The "Change" that most people voted for was a change from Republican to anything else. It wasn't the majority of the populace embracing the Progressive mantra, but a referendum on the sorry leadership that had been displayed by the previous administration & the lack of oversight displayed by Congress who basically became a "yes man" to the administration....there wasn't enough Obama worshipers to tilt the election in his favor...it was the Right losing Middle America through their arrogance....

[BlueHen86]

I was thinking about some of this stuff when I was driving home from work the other day. I don't blame Obama for a lot of the problems we have today, but I was a little angry that the American people really believed ONE person could change Washington. They wanted CHANGE...CHANGE...Change. I'm wondering whether or not the voters of America were naive enough to believe he could change things or maybe they were just hopeful and now people are realizing it won't happen. THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO CAN CHANGE THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS. There's nothing wrong with people being hopeful, but there is something wrong wrong with naivety.

I think it was a little bit of both.

Some people blindly followed Obama, but I think those people were probably zero-summed by the blind followers of the Republican party (e.g. Religious Right).

I think the swing voters (myself included) were hopeful that Obama would actually change things, while we knew that McCain wouldn't.

I think you are spot on here. I voted for McCain, but I think Obama won in large part because he promised change and people were eager to see it happen.

[BlueHen86]

I was thinking about some of this stuff when I was driving home from work the other day. I don't blame Obama for a lot of the problems we have today, but I was a little angry that the American people really believed ONE person could change Washington. They wanted CHANGE...CHANGE...Change. I'm wondering whether or not the voters of America were naive enough to believe he could change things or maybe they were just hopeful and now people are realizing it won't happen. THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO CAN CHANGE THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS. There's nothing wrong with people being hopeful, but there is something wrong wrong with naivety.

I agree, but without it, most politicians would have no clue as to how to get elected. They count on it every election, and it pays off. Empty promises and negative ads are big aids in winning elections, neither would be as effectve if voters weren't naive.

[BigSkyBears]

I was thinking about some of this stuff when I was driving home from work the other day. I don't blame Obama for a lot of the problems we have today, but I was a little angry that the American people really believed ONE person could change Washington. They wanted CHANGE...CHANGE...Change. I'm wondering whether or not the voters of America were naive enough to believe he could change things or maybe they were just hopeful and now people are realizing it won't happen. THERE'S NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON WHO CAN CHANGE THE WAY WASHINGTON WORKS. There's nothing wrong with people being hopeful, but there is something wrong wrong with naivety.

I agree, but without it, most politicians would have no clue as to how to get elected. They count on it every election, and it pays off. Empty promises and negative ads are big aids in winning elections, neither would be as effectve if voters weren't naive.

So...how do we as voters change the way we approach elections? How do we become more educated?

[danefan]

I agree, but without it, most politicians would have no clue as to how to get elected. They count on it every election, and it pays off. Empty promises and negative ads are big aids in winning elections, neither would be as effectve if voters weren't naive.

So...how do we as voters change the way we approach elections? How do we become more educated?

Stop listening to what people tell us and start deciding on our own.

Its not necessarily about educational level when it comes to voters. Its the blind faith in things like candidate speeches and Fox News/MSNBC.

[BlueHen86]

I agree, but without it, most politicians would have no clue as to how to get elected. They count on it every election, and it pays off. Empty promises and negative ads are big aids in winning elections, neither would be as effectve if voters weren't naive.

So...how do we as voters change the way we approach elections? How do we become more educated?

I don't think that there is an easy solution. I'd like to see voters have to pass some sort of test before they vote, but I know that will never come to pass. I think we have to accept the fact that as long as we allow every adult to vote, we are going to have uninformed people voting - and politicians figuring out ways to get the vote of the uninformed.

[BigSkyBears]

So...how do we as voters change the way we approach elections? How do we become more educated?

I don't think that there is an easy solution. I'd like to see voters have to pass some sort of test before they vote, but I know that will never come to pass. I think we have to accept the fact that as long as we allow every adult to vote, we are going to have uninformed people voting - and politicians figuring out ways to get the vote of the uninformed.

It could just be human nature? I mean every country elects idiots, right? Maybe it's just that people listen to what they want to hear? I don't know, but I do agree it's not an easy solution.

[green&gold75]

So...how do we as voters change the way we approach elections? How do we become more educated?

I don't think that there is an easy solution. I'd like to see voters have to pass some sort of test before they vote, but I know that will never come to pass. I think we have to accept the fact that as long as we allow every adult to vote, we are going to have uninformed people voting - and politicians figuring out ways to get the vote of the uninformed.

It's about more than voter intelligence. A healthy Democracy assumes knowledgible citizens--the problem is that we are constantly lied to from all sides, including politicians, media, Madison Ave etc. The truth can be complicated and difficult to get at. It would be wonderful, and a real public service, if some of the political talk shows would feature, instead of the usual predictable party hacks, thoughtful, nonalligned guests with real expertise. Most viewers would find that boring, though.

[kalm]

The Bush administration presided over the deadliest terrorist attack in U.S. history and after the previous administration and intelligence agencies warned them of the threat.

George Bush, worst anti-terrorist president in history.

That is hilarious.

Obama can't even tie his shoe without checking how Bush tied his.

Let me check off the programs in which Obama has NO CLUE and thus copied Bush:

1) Drone attacks
2) Rendition
3) Wiretapping
4) Email intercepts
5) Indefini...no wait. Obama did change this to Prolonged Detention
6) Patriot Act
7) Gitmo

If it wasn't for Bush, Obama would have no clue how to proceed in the War on Terror.

Obama isn't much better except for the lives lost in 9/11 and the lives lost and terrorists created by the War in Iraq.

[kalm]

So...how do we as voters change the way we approach elections? How do we become more educated?

Stop listening to what people tell us and start deciding on our own.

Its not necessarily about educational level when it comes to voters. Its the blind faith in things like candidate speeches and Fox News/MSNBC.

Public and/or individual financing of elections only and severly limit the $ amount. No special interest groups can donate - that includes unions as well as corporations.

[SeattleGriz]

Obama isn't much better except for the lives lost in 9/11 and the lives lost and terrorists created by the War in Iraq.

I think you know as well as anyone that it doesn't take a war to create terrorists. The whole culture has no ability for self introspection and thus blames anyone and everyone else for their woes.

[kalm]

Obama isn't much better except for the lives lost in 9/11 and the lives lost and terrorists created by the War in Iraq.

I think you know as well as anyone that it doesn't take a war to create terrorists. The whole culture has no ability for self introspection and thus blames anyone and everyone else for their woes.

[Wedgebuster]

Just to put a close on this thread-



What do you expect from this poster child of Republican douchebaggery??

Nuff said, good night.

[Appaholic]

Obama isn't much better except for the lives lost in 9/11 and the lives lost and terrorists created by the War in Iraq.

I think you know as well as anyone that it doesn't take a war to create terrorists. The whole culture has no ability for self introspection and thus blames anyone and everyone else for their woes.

Kind of like tea-baggers......

[UNHWildCats]

well fuck if this is all true, I am going to go take the elevator to the top of the Twin Towers tomorrow... must be a great view there.