Pot Legalization to CA ballot in November?

[death dealer]

Back in the day, the house we lived in had a huge utility closet off the garage. We painted the window black, papered the walls with aluminum foil, and installed grow lights. We had 10-15 nice plants going at all times. Granted, it wasn't the best in the world, but it kept most of my fraternity stoned off their asses for relatively free, so we never complained. And I never once had a Duke power agent question my bill for overusage.

Those were the days....perusing junkyards to locate a working ballist, hooking up a timer for the grow lights, stocking up on aluminum foil, free QP's in the freezer....

It was nice. It does seem that the guys like Tman have gotten much stiffer wood for busting users than back in the day. For instance, I know for a fact that one of my brothers had a two pound container of mushrooms mailed to him at his house on Paris Mountain from Humbolt County back in 1988. When they tried to deliver it, he wasn't home, so the left him a note to come pick it up at the PO. He coolly strolled into the place, signed for it, and walked out. No problem. That could never happen today. And why not? We didn't hurt a soul tripping our balls off on those shrooms. If anything, it kept us out of trouble. We were too gone to do anything bad.

[travelinman67]

You know not what you speak, hempdawg. I have many friends out here who still partake. NONE grow their own. Most comes from Asian and Mexican gang house operations done in leased housing. The large "forest" operation product from the North Coast and Foothills is shipped out of state.

Growing hybrids like #7 is very labor intensive and require culling 80% of the seedlings (male). Furthermore, the utility companies work in conjunction with the DEA to identify mom & pop growers, hence, for the "average" user, the time and risks are too great to justify the savings.

Try again.

Back in the day, the house we lived in had a huge utility closet off the garage. We painted the window black, papered the walls with aluminum foil, and installed grow lights. We had 10-15 nice plants going at all times. Granted, it wasn't the best in the world, but it kept most of my fraternity stoned off their asses for relatively free, so we never complained. And I never once had a Duke power agent question my bill for overusage.

You've wandered off-course, DD.

I'm not alleging SOME people (especially starving students), don't grow their own pot. I AM asserting the the vast majority of pot used, particularly by the "baby boomer" gen who still use, purchase organized crime grown grass, and as a rule, the seller doesn't sit next to them at church on Sunday (so to speak).

Dispensaries are merely a convenience/comfort mechanism for the oldsters.

And...

...if the oldsters can demand pot dispensaries...

...then I'd like to see the return of drive-through liquor stores...

...and legalized prostitution.

Convenience.

[death dealer]

Back in the day, the house we lived in had a huge utility closet off the garage. We painted the window black, papered the walls with aluminum foil, and installed grow lights. We had 10-15 nice plants going at all times. Granted, it wasn't the best in the world, but it kept most of my fraternity stoned off their asses for relatively free, so we never complained. And I never once had a Duke power agent question my bill for overusage.

You've wandered off-course, DD.

I'm not alleging SOME people (especially starving students), don't grow their own pot. I AM asserting the the vast majority of pot used, particularly by the "baby boomer" gen who still use, purchase organized crime grown grass, and as a rule, the seller doesn't sit next to them at church on Sunday (so to speak).

Dispensaries are merely a convenience/comfort mechanism for the oldsters.

And...

...if the oldsters can demand pot dispensaries...

...then I'd like to see the return of drive-through liquor stores...

...and legalized prostitution.

Convenience.

The first one already exists. I used one in Florida last time I was there.

And I wholeheartedly agree on the second. For many of the same reasons I support legalization of pot. It's truly no danger to anyone outside of the act, and if regulated, controlled, and taxed by the govt. would reduce most of what is "bad" about the industry. I don't see the problem.

And I do know personally the grower from whom I purchase. Just as I know the guy I buy my beef, chicken, eggs, pork, milk, and most of my fresh veggies from. If you legalized it, this wouldn't be so unusual. You'd surely get the standard corporate sized farms to supply those that didn't care about the source, but you'd also get the small producers who focused on greener methods, better quality, and appealed to the locavore mentality of us grungy hippies you seem to dislike so much.

By the way, I know more people who do than don't. Most of them wouldn't admit it under oath, but they do. And the vast majority of them are very successful, quite well off, and have positions of extreme responsibilty. Most earn more than 200k annually, have kids, stable families, and probably are pretty conservative fiscally speaking.

[Appaholic]

Back in the day, the house we lived in had a huge utility closet off the garage. We painted the window black, papered the walls with aluminum foil, and installed grow lights. We had 10-15 nice plants going at all times. Granted, it wasn't the best in the world, but it kept most of my fraternity stoned off their asses for relatively free, so we never complained. And I never once had a Duke power agent question my bill for overusage.

You've wandered off-course, DD.

I'm not alleging SOME people (especially starving students), don't grow their own pot. I AM asserting the the vast majority of pot used, particularly by the "baby boomer" gen who still use, purchase organized crime grown grass, and as a rule, the seller doesn't sit next to them at church on Sunday (so to speak).

Dispensaries are merely a convenience/comfort mechanism for the oldsters.

And...

...if the oldsters can demand pot dispensaries...

...then I'd like to see the return of drive-through liquor stores...

...and legalized prostitution.

Convenience.

NOW you're coming around TMan! I agree we should have all three, but do not think one's legalization is dependent upon the other....but a man can dream...

[death dealer]

You've wandered off-course, DD.

I'm not alleging SOME people (especially starving students), don't grow their own pot. I AM asserting the the vast majority of pot used, particularly by the "baby boomer" gen who still use, purchase organized crime grown grass, and as a rule, the seller doesn't sit next to them at church on Sunday (so to speak).

Dispensaries are merely a convenience/comfort mechanism for the oldsters.

And...

...if the oldsters can demand pot dispensaries...

...then I'd like to see the return of drive-through liquor stores...

...and legalized prostitution.

Convenience.

NOW you're coming around TMan! I agree we should have all three, but do not think one's legalization is dependent upon the other....but a man can dream...

No shit!!

[CID1990]

You've wandered off-course, DD.

I'm not alleging SOME people (especially starving students), don't grow their own pot. I AM asserting the the vast majority of pot used, particularly by the "baby boomer" gen who still use, purchase organized crime grown grass, and as a rule, the seller doesn't sit next to them at church on Sunday (so to speak).

Dispensaries are merely a convenience/comfort mechanism for the oldsters.

And...

...if the oldsters can demand pot dispensaries...

...then I'd like to see the return of drive-through liquor stores...

...and legalized prostitution.

Convenience.

The first one already exists. I used one in Florida last time I was there.

And I wholeheartedly agree on the second. For many of the same reasons I support legalization of pot. It's truly no danger to anyone outside of the act, and if regulated, controlled, and taxed by the govt. would reduce most of what is "bad" about the industry. I don't see the problem.

And I do know personally the grower from whom I purchase. Just as I know the guy I buy my beef, chicken, eggs, pork, milk, and most of my fresh veggies from. If you legalized it, this wouldn't be so unusual. You'd surely get the standard corporate sized farms to supply those that didn't care about the source, but you'd also get the small producers who focused on greener methods, better quality, and appealed to the locavore mentality of us grungy hippies you seem to dislike so much.

By the way, I know more people who do than don't. Most of them wouldn't admit it under oath, but they do. And the vast majority of them are very successful, quite well off, and have positions of extreme responsibilty. Most earn more than 200k annually, have kids, stable families, and probably are pretty conservative fiscally speaking.

The Baptists in Traveler's Rest are going to revoke your credentials if they find out you are a pothead, DD.

[youngterrier]

The first one already exists. I used one in Florida last time I was there.

And I wholeheartedly agree on the second. For many of the same reasons I support legalization of pot. It's truly no danger to anyone outside of the act, and if regulated, controlled, and taxed by the govt. would reduce most of what is "bad" about the industry. I don't see the problem.

And I do know personally the grower from whom I purchase. Just as I know the guy I buy my beef, chicken, eggs, pork, milk, and most of my fresh veggies from. If you legalized it, this wouldn't be so unusual. You'd surely get the standard corporate sized farms to supply those that didn't care about the source, but you'd also get the small producers who focused on greener methods, better quality, and appealed to the locavore mentality of us grungy hippies you seem to dislike so much.

By the way, I know more people who do than don't. Most of them wouldn't admit it under oath, but they do. And the vast majority of them are very successful, quite well off, and have positions of extreme responsibilty. Most earn more than 200k annually, have kids, stable families, and probably are pretty conservative fiscally speaking.

The Baptists in Traveler's Rest are going to revoke your credentials if they find out you are a pothead, DD.

You'd be a regular with the youth of Gaffney (I don't do drugs outside of tylenol though)

[travelinman67]

By the way, I know more people who do than don't. Most of them wouldn't admit it under oath, but they do. And the vast majority of them are very successful, quite well off, and have positions of extreme responsibilty. Most earn more than 200k annually, have kids, stable families, and probably are pretty conservative fiscally speaking.

This is where we diverge...

...I have about a dozen "close" friends who still use on a regular basis. All but one are WELL degreed, started off their careers in positions of responsibility, yet as they got older, professionally digressed. Save one, all ended up quitting their "chosen" professions and became "menial" workers...landscapers, winery workers, independent programmers, bartenders and restaurant workers. Excepting that one, most make around $20-30k annually. They're all good-hearted people, yet have opted to spend their lives getting stoned at every opportunity. Several, will sneak away from work in the middle of the day to get stoned...then blow off the rest of the day.

It's frustrating for me to watch their wasted knowledge and potential...

...which is one of the principal reasons I oppose legalization.

Alcoholism is obviously a more widespread problem, yet I haven't seen the impact of personal degradation with moderate/social alcoholism that I have with marijuana.

And yes, I have some professional experience dealing with abusers of both categories.

[youngterrier]

By the way, I know more people who do than don't. Most of them wouldn't admit it under oath, but they do. And the vast majority of them are very successful, quite well off, and have positions of extreme responsibilty. Most earn more than 200k annually, have kids, stable families, and probably are pretty conservative fiscally speaking.

This is where we diverge...

...I have about a dozen "close" friends who still use on a regular basis. All but one are WELL degreed, started off their careers in positions of responsibility, yet as they got older, professionally digressed. Save one, all ended up quitting their "chosen" professions and became "menial" workers...landscapers, winery workers, independent programmers, bartenders and restaurant workers. Excepting that one, most make around $20-30k annually. They're all good-hearted people, yet have opted to spend their lives getting stoned at every opportunity. Several, will sneak away from work in the middle of the day to get stoned...then blow off the rest of the day.

It's frustrating for me to watch their wasted knowledge and potential...

...which is one of the principal reasons I oppose legalization.

Alcoholism is obviously a more widespread problem, yet I haven't seen the impact of personal degradation with moderate/social alcoholism that I have with marijuana.

And yes, I have some professional experience dealing with abusers of both categories.

Though morally speaking your in the right, however I think the principals of liberty in that "I can screw up my life if I want to" kind of contradict that trail of thinking and that when the government tries to tell us what we can and cannot do to our bodies it progresses to other parts of our lives (our checkbook for one) and the reasoning of "it's good for you" justifies it

[D1B]

By the way, I know more people who do than don't. Most of them wouldn't admit it under oath, but they do. And the vast majority of them are very successful, quite well off, and have positions of extreme responsibilty. Most earn more than 200k annually, have kids, stable families, and probably are pretty conservative fiscally speaking.

This is where we diverge...

...I have about a dozen "close" friends who still use on a regular basis. All but one are WELL degreed, started off their careers in positions of responsibility, yet as they got older, professionally digressed. Save one, all ended up quitting their "chosen" professions and became "menial" workers...landscapers, winery workers, independent programmers, bartenders and restaurant workers. Excepting that one, most make around $20-30k annually. They're all good-hearted people, yet have opted to spend their lives getting stoned at every opportunity. Several, will sneak away from work in the middle of the day to get stoned...then blow off the rest of the day.

It's frustrating for me to watch their wasted knowledge and potential...

...which is one of the principal reasons I oppose legalization.

Alcoholism is obviously a more widespread problem, yet I haven't seen the impact of personal degradation with moderate/social alcoholism that I have with marijuana.

And yes, I have some professional experience dealing with abusers of both categories.

Hey dipshit, we covered this before. You, California and your circle of friends aint representative of the fucking planet. Who the fuck are you to pass judgement on those who choose not to partake ini your pathetic lifestyle of greed and stress.

[D1B]

This is where we diverge...

...I have about a dozen "close" friends who still use on a regular basis. All but one are WELL degreed, started off their careers in positions of responsibility, yet as they got older, professionally digressed. Save one, all ended up quitting their "chosen" professions and became "menial" workers...landscapers, winery workers, independent programmers, bartenders and restaurant workers. Excepting that one, most make around $20-30k annually. They're all good-hearted people, yet have opted to spend their lives getting stoned at every opportunity. Several, will sneak away from work in the middle of the day to get stoned...then blow off the rest of the day.

It's frustrating for me to watch their wasted knowledge and potential...

...which is one of the principal reasons I oppose legalization.

Alcoholism is obviously a more widespread problem, yet I haven't seen the impact of personal degradation with moderate/social alcoholism that I have with marijuana.

And yes, I have some professional experience dealing with abusers of both categories.

Though morally speaking your in the right, however I think the principals of liberty in that "I can screw up my life if I want to" kind of contradict that trail of thinking and that when the government tries to tell us what we can and cannot do to our bodies it progresses to other parts of our lives (our checkbook for one) and the reasoning of "it's good for you" justifies it

There is nothing immoral about recreational use of marijuana or moderate alcohol consumption. Unhealthy? Maybe, but debatable.

[youngterrier]

Though morally speaking your in the right, however I think the principals of liberty in that "I can screw up my life if I want to" kind of contradict that trail of thinking and that when the government tries to tell us what we can and cannot do to our bodies it progresses to other parts of our lives (our checkbook for one) and the reasoning of "it's good for you" justifies it

There is nothing immoral about recreational use of marijuana or moderate alcohol consumption. Unhealthy? Maybe, but debatable.

Moral may have been the wrong word..when I say morally right i mean having the best of intentions. Morality is really based on perspective

[D1B]

There is nothing immoral about recreational use of marijuana or moderate alcohol consumption. Unhealthy? Maybe, but debatable.

Moral may have been the wrong word..when I say morally right i mean having the best of intentions. Morality is really based on perspective

Understood, but Tman doesn't have good intentions here. A true friend is not judgemental like that. He makes it sound like they're skid row smack addicts.

[youngterrier]

Moral may have been the wrong word..when I say morally right i mean having the best of intentions. Morality is really based on perspective

Understood, but Tman doesn't have good intentions here. A true friend is not judgemental like that. He makes it sound like they're skid row smack addicts.

It seemed to me that his intention was to make it illegal so people wouldnt ruin their lives (good intention to me), that intention is a noble one but essentially feeds the nanny state mentality of our government which is ultimately NOT a good thing.

[D1B]

Understood, but Tman doesn't have good intentions here. A true friend is not judgemental like that. He makes it sound like they're skid row smack addicts.

It seemed to me that his intention was to make it illegal so people wouldnt ruin their lives (good intention to me), that intention is a noble one but essentially feeds the nanny state mentality of our government which is ultimately NOT a good thing.

You're right, but I know the guy. He's a morally corrupt egomaniac who wants to control his "friends". Dude passes out drunk several nights a week then has the gall to pass judgement on people who smoke a little pot. Shameful.

[travelinman67]

Moral may have been the wrong word..when I say morally right i mean having the best of intentions. Morality is really based on perspective

Understood, but Tman doesn't have good intentions here. A true friend is not judgemental like that. He makes it sound like they're skid row smack addicts.

What part of "good hearted" friends don't you comprehend, D*ckwad?

They are my friends, have been for years (one over 40 years).

I say nothing to them about their choice. I do, however, have a f***ing brain and know when something is hurting people I care about.

Following your logic, Douche1Bag, if a friend chooses to commit suicide, that's their right and I'm a judgemental a**hole for suggesting they're wrong for making that choice.

Surprisingly, we each have a voice and the right to speak out if we feel something is to the detriment to our society or those around us. Of course, in Douche1Bag's world, what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander: Or maybe you'd like to rescind your judgemental condemnation of Catholics/Catholicism? It is their "choice", and none of your f***ing business, RIGHT?

[travelinman67]

It seemed to me that his intention was to make it illegal so people wouldnt ruin their lives (good intention to me), that intention is a noble one but essentially feeds the nanny state mentality of our government which is ultimately NOT a good thing.

You're right, but I know the guy. He's a morally corrupt egomaniac who wants to control his "friends". Dude passes out drunk several nights a week then has the gall to pass judgement on people who smoke a little pot. Shameful.

How the hell would you know? You're loaded on heroin everynight.

[D1B]

Understood, but Tman doesn't have good intentions here. A true friend is not judgemental like that. He makes it sound like they're skid row smack addicts.

What part of "good hearted" friends don't you comprehend, D*ckwad?

They are my friends, have been for years (one over 40 years).

I say nothing to them about their choice. I do, however, have a f***ing brain and know when something is hurting people I care about.

Following your logic, Douche1Bag, if a friend chooses to commit suicide, that's their right and I'm a judgemental a**hole for suggesting they're wrong for making that choice.

Surprisingly, we each have a voice and the right to speak out if we feel something is to the detriment to our society or those around us. Of course, in Douche1Bag's world, what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander: Or maybe you'd like to rescind your judgemental condemnation of Catholics/Catholicism? It is their "choice", and none of your f***ing business, RIGHT?

Bad analogy Buford. No one is killing themselves with pot.

My condemnation of catholocism is justified because those fucks are dangerous and are an evil force hell bent on fucking up the world. Sounds like you need to quit smoking pot.

[travelinman67]

What part of "good hearted" friends don't you comprehend, D*ckwad?

They are my friends, have been for years (one over 40 years).

I say nothing to them about their choice. I do, however, have a f***ing brain and know when something is hurting people I care about.

Following your logic, Douche1Bag, if a friend chooses to commit suicide, that's their right and I'm a judgemental a**hole for suggesting they're wrong for making that choice.

Surprisingly, we each have a voice and the right to speak out if we feel something is to the detriment to our society or those around us. Of course, in Douche1Bag's world, what's sauce for the goose isn't sauce for the gander: Or maybe you'd like to rescind your judgemental condemnation of Catholics/Catholicism? It is their "choice", and none of your f***ing business, RIGHT?

Bad analogy Buford. No one is killing themselves with pot.

My condemnation of catholocism is justified because those fucks are dangerous and are an evil force hell bent on fucking up the world. Sounds like you need to quit smoking pot.

Been there, done that, Luther.

Name one place where Catholicism is killing people with religion? (...and spare me the dark-ages droning...source it or stfu)

...and to suggest that their purpose is to "f*** up the world"...

[D1B]

Bad analogy Buford. No one is killing themselves with pot.

My condemnation of catholocism is justified because those fucks are dangerous and are an evil force hell bent on fucking up the world. Sounds like you need to quit smoking pot.

Been there, done that, Luther.

Name one place where Catholicism is killing people with religion? (...and spare me the dark-ages droning...source it or stfu)

...and to suggest that their purpose is to "f*** up the world"...

Over population in Africa and third world.

Attitudes on birth control, condoms and abortion are stoking the flames of war, suffering, pollution and starvation.

They've legitimized the condemnation of gays.

[travelinman67]

Been there, done that, Luther.

Name one place where Catholicism is killing people with religion? (...and spare me the dark-ages droning...source it or stfu)

...and to suggest that their purpose is to "f*** up the world"...

Over population in Africa and third world.

Attitudes on birth control, condoms and abortion are stoking the flames of war, suffering, pollution and starvation.

They've legitimized the condemnation of gays.

Yup!

The Catholic Church settled India/Burma and propogated centuries of overpopulation, famine, suffering, war...

...Ooops!!!

They did that without Catholicism, as did the rest of the third world PRIOR to the arrival of the missionaries.

And NOBODY has "legitimized" the condemnation of gays. The Catholics, along with many other non-Christian religions, may oppose homosexuality within doctrine, but that hardly defines the "legitimization of condemnation of gays".

[Appaholic]

Understood, but Tman doesn't have good intentions here. A true friend is not judgemental like that. He makes it sound like they're skid row smack addicts.

It seemed to me that his intention was to make it illegal so people wouldnt ruin their lives (good intention to me), that intention is a noble one but essentially feeds the nanny state mentality of our government which is ultimately NOT a good thing.

Well stated young grasshopper...

[death dealer]

By the way, I know more people who do than don't. Most of them wouldn't admit it under oath, but they do. And the vast majority of them are very successful, quite well off, and have positions of extreme responsibilty. Most earn more than 200k annually, have kids, stable families, and probably are pretty conservative fiscally speaking.

This is where we diverge...

...I have about a dozen "close" friends who still use on a regular basis. All but one are WELL degreed, started off their careers in positions of responsibility, yet as they got older, professionally digressed. Save one, all ended up quitting their "chosen" professions and became "menial" workers...landscapers, winery workers, independent programmers, bartenders and restaurant workers. Excepting that one, most make around $20-30k annually. They're all good-hearted people, yet have opted to spend their lives getting stoned at every opportunity. Several, will sneak away from work in the middle of the day to get stoned...then blow off the rest of the day.

It's frustrating for me to watch their wasted knowledge and potential...

...which is one of the principal reasons I oppose legalization.

Alcoholism is obviously a more widespread problem, yet I haven't seen the impact of personal degradation with moderate/social alcoholism that I have with marijuana.

And yes, I have some professional experience dealing with abusers of both categories.

You are right, we diverge here. I know people sort of like you describe, except they never got to the professionally successful stage. And my contention is that those people you are talking about are just inherent losers. (sorry if that offends you) Pot didn't cause them to fail, their own lack of drive did that. If it weren't pot, it would have been some other excuse to be a fuck-up. Sounds like you need to worry less about the right or wrong of legalizing pot, and work harder on your criteria for choosing your friends.

[D1B]

This is where we diverge...

...I have about a dozen "close" friends who still use on a regular basis. All but one are WELL degreed, started off their careers in positions of responsibility, yet as they got older, professionally digressed. Save one, all ended up quitting their "chosen" professions and became "menial" workers...landscapers, winery workers, independent programmers, bartenders and restaurant workers. Excepting that one, most make around $20-30k annually. They're all good-hearted people, yet have opted to spend their lives getting stoned at every opportunity. Several, will sneak away from work in the middle of the day to get stoned...then blow off the rest of the day.

It's frustrating for me to watch their wasted knowledge and potential...

...which is one of the principal reasons I oppose legalization.

Alcoholism is obviously a more widespread problem, yet I haven't seen the impact of personal degradation with moderate/social alcoholism that I have with marijuana.

And yes, I have some professional experience dealing with abusers of both categories.

You are right, we diverge here. I know people sort of like you describe, except they never got to the professionally successful stage. And my contention is that those people you are talking about are just inherent losers. (sorry if that offends you) Pot didn't cause them to fail, their own lack of drive did that. If it weren't pot, it would have been some other excuse to be a fuck-up. Sounds like you need to worry less about the right or wrong of legalizing pot, and work harder on your criteria for choosing you friends.

Nice post. He should also think about drinking less.

[danefan]

Soooo.......when do we get to have a CS.com gathering at DD's house?