What if you're like the SCOTUS and believe it begins at some point in the 3rd Trimester.Rob Iola wrote:Why is this so hard to figure out?
It all really comes down to 1 personal question:
1. When does human life begin?
If you believe life begins at conception, then abortion is murder.
If you believe that life begins at birth, then abortion is ok.
Religion and politics don't matter.
SCOTUS, viability, Pope, D1B - doesn't matter - is a fetus human life or not? That's the root of the issue...danefan wrote:What if you're like the SCOTUS and believe it begins at some point in the 3rd Trimester.Rob Iola wrote:Why is this so hard to figure out?
It all really comes down to 1 personal question:
1. When does human life begin?
If you believe life begins at conception, then abortion is murder.
If you believe that life begins at birth, then abortion is ok.
Religion and politics don't matter.
Justice Kennedy thought so. Or at least that's what his Clerk that wrote his pluraity opinion based it on........Rob Iola wrote:SCOTUS, viability, Pope, D1B - doesn't matter - is a fetus human life or not? That's the root of the issue...danefan wrote:
What if you're like the SCOTUS and believe it begins at some point in the 3rd Trimester.
BTW, is the tail gone by the 3rd trimester?
is better than millions.
Oh they should all be incarcerated, at the expense of somebody else other that the nutty religious extreme right, because after all, they are RIGHT.Skjellyfetti wrote:For y'all that think Roe v. Wade should be overturned....
What would an appropriate punishment be for an illegal abortion?
The thing is, I don't think conks want Roe v. Wade overturned - makes a nice campaign issue, seeing as how polls show that most Americans are personally against abortion, although they get squishy when it comes to actually making it illegal. So keep campaigning against it, but don't actually overturn it...Skjellyfetti wrote:For y'all that think Roe v. Wade should be overturned....
What would an appropriate punishment be for an illegal abortion?
It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception.danefan wrote:What if you're like the SCOTUS and believe it begins at some point in the 3rd Trimester.Rob Iola wrote:Why is this so hard to figure out?
It all really comes down to 1 personal question:
1. When does human life begin?
If you believe life begins at conception, then abortion is murder.
If you believe that life begins at birth, then abortion is ok.
Religion and politics don't matter.
JoltinJoe wrote:It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception.danefan wrote:
What if you're like the SCOTUS and believe it begins at some point in the 3rd Trimester.
That fact is so widely accepted at this point that abortion advocates now claim that a fetus is not entitled to any legal protection until it obtains status as an "independent person," i.e., viable.
Here is an "ethical" examination of the issue which reflects the pro-abortion movement's current (utilitarian) evaluation.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/w ... log-70515/
So then at what point does the taking of a "life" become an immoral act?D1B wrote:JoltinJoe wrote:
It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception.
That fact is so widely accepted at this point that abortion advocates now claim that a fetus is not entitled to any legal protection until it obtains status as an "independent person," i.e., viable.
Here is an "ethical" examination of the issue which reflects the pro-abortion movement's current (utilitarian) evaluation.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/w ... log-70515/
Who gives a ****. Abortion will remain safe and legal , and now because of the morning after pill - convenient and cheap. Thank god!
Sigh. I'll rise to the bait...D1B wrote:JoltinJoe wrote:
It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception.
That fact is so widely accepted at this point that abortion advocates now claim that a fetus is not entitled to any legal protection until it obtains status as an "independent person," i.e., viable.
Here is an "ethical" examination of the issue which reflects the pro-abortion movement's current (utilitarian) evaluation.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/w ... log-70515/
Who gives a fuck. Abortion will remain safe and legal , and now because of the morning after pill - convenient and cheap. Thank god!
Sodahead!
Since Roe v. Wade, from a constitutional perspective, is one of the greatest lies ever told by a majority of the Supreme Court, it is fitting that the plaintiff in the case lied about being impregnated as a result of a rape. At least the plaintiff in that case now understands what a fraud her lawyers perpetrated on the American public.D1B wrote:Here's a link to Planned Parenthood and a wonderful history of the success of R V W. Enjoy...
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about- ... es.htm#roe
If your solution is the correct one, wedge, why not just go all the way and send their worthless parents to the gas chambers?!???Wedgebuster wrote:nits and lice. Don't see any of the "stick your nose in other folks affairs" asswipes ponying up to feed, clothe, educate and take responsibility for all these **** trophies.
Wanna stamp out the weeds and parasites, better do it while they little, the treatment is more effective, and less expensive.
Think maybe rather than bowing to these wackos picketing planned parenthood clinics, we should fund hundreds of millions of dollars to stamping out the rats while the getting is good.
Our planet and society will benefit.
KMA,
next!
You and I are different. I don't see it as murder. Unwanted or unintended pregnacy is a malady. A treatable malady and women have the right to take care of themselves.Rob Iola wrote:Sigh. I'll rise to the bait...D1B wrote:
Who gives a fuck. Abortion will remain safe and legal , and now because of the morning after pill - convenient and cheap. Thank god!
Sodahead!
Legal, convenient - yup.
Cheap - not too sure about that. And not something that will be covered by Obama's health care initiative now, thanks to the sturdy conservative people of that deep red state of Massachusetts.
Safe? Not for the fetus.
Thank god? He creates life, says "Thou Shalt Not Kill", and you want to thank him for abortion? Be careful on that one D - I'm not judging you, but I do worry about you...
Fuck Joltin Joe, fuck me and fuck you. 
Abortion is a womens health issue. I don't give a fuck what you think.JoltinJoe wrote:Since Roe v. Wade, from a constitutional perspective, is one of the greatest lies ever told by a majority of the Supreme Court, it is fitting that the plaintiff in the case lied about being impregnated as a result of a rape. At least the plaintiff in that case now understands what a fraud her lawyers perpetrated on the American public.D1B wrote:Here's a link to Planned Parenthood and a wonderful history of the success of R V W. Enjoy...
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about- ... es.htm#roe
Besides, anyone who understands constitutional law understands that Roe v. Wade has already been overruled. Look around you, the states are restricting the "abortion" right left and right, and these restrictions (which would have been struck down under Roe) are being upheld.
Um, if men could get pregnant, the human race would die out...D1B wrote:You and I are different. I don't see it as murder. Unwanted or unintended pregnacy is a malady. A treatable malady and women have the right to take care of themselves.Rob Iola wrote: Sigh. I'll rise to the bait...
Legal, convenient - yup.
Cheap - not too sure about that. And not something that will be covered by Obama's health care initiative now, thanks to the sturdy conservative people of that deep red state of Massachusetts.
Safe? Not for the fetus.
Thank god? He creates life, says "Thou Shalt Not Kill", and you want to thank him for abortion? Be careful on that one D - I'm not judging you, but I do worry about you...
Force child bearing destroys women.
Said it a million times - if men could get pregnant, abortiong would safe, legal and free for all who needed it.
Dr. D1B.D1B wrote:Abortion is a womens health issue. I don't give a **** what you think.JoltinJoe wrote:
Since Roe v. Wade, from a constitutional perspective, is one of the greatest lies ever told by a majority of the Supreme Court, it is fitting that the plaintiff in the case lied about being impregnated as a result of a rape. At least the plaintiff in that case now understands what a fraud her lawyers perpetrated on the American public.
Besides, anyone who understands constitutional law understands that Roe v. Wade has already been overruled. Look around you, the states are restricting the "abortion" right left and right, and these restrictions (which would have been struck down under Roe) are being upheld.
JoltinJoe wrote:Dr. D1B.D1B wrote:
Abortion is a womens health issue. I don't give a **** what you think.
So should abortion legally be considered murder?JoltinJoe wrote: It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception.
That fact is so widely accepted at this point that abortion advocates now claim that a fetus is not entitled to any legal protection until it obtains status as an "independent person," i.e., viable. (although many argue that a life is not entitled to protection until it obtains "personhood," which many claim does not even exist AFTER birth.
Here is an "ethical" examination of the issue which reflects the pro-abortion movement's current (utilitarian) evaluation.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/w ... log-70515/
native wrote:If your solution is the correct one, wedge, why not just go all the way and send their worthless parents to the gas chambers?!???Wedgebuster wrote:nits and lice. Don't see any of the "stick your nose in other folks affairs" asswipes ponying up to feed, clothe, educate and take responsibility for all these **** trophies.
Wanna stamp out the weeds and parasites, better do it while they little, the treatment is more effective, and less expensive.
Think maybe rather than bowing to these wackos picketing planned parenthood clinics, we should fund hundreds of millions of dollars to stamping out the rats while the getting is good.
Our planet and society will benefit.
KMA,
next!
For zipless sex?
Skjellyfetti wrote:So should abortion be legally considered murder?JoltinJoe wrote: It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception.
That fact is so widely accepted at this point that abortion advocates now claim that a fetus is not entitled to any legal protection until it obtains status as an "independent person," i.e., viable. (although many argue that a life is not entitled to protection until it obtains "personhood," which many claim does not even exist AFTER birth.
Here is an "ethical" examination of the issue which reflects the pro-abortion movement's current (utilitarian) evaluation.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/w ... log-70515/
Legally, if a majority of a state legislature votes so, then yes.Skjellyfetti wrote:So should abortion legally be considered murder?JoltinJoe wrote: It is a scientific fact that life begins at conception.
That fact is so widely accepted at this point that abortion advocates now claim that a fetus is not entitled to any legal protection until it obtains status as an "independent person," i.e., viable. (although many argue that a life is not entitled to protection until it obtains "personhood," which many claim does not even exist AFTER birth.
Here is an "ethical" examination of the issue which reflects the pro-abortion movement's current (utilitarian) evaluation.
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/w ... log-70515/
What would be decent punishment for abortion?JoltinJoe wrote:Legally, if a majority of a state legislature votes so, then yes.Skjellyfetti wrote:
So should abortion legally be considered murder?
Morally, the answer is obvious.
